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Post by Icegas on May 3, 2024 12:34:49 GMT
Is it only me that feels completely uninterested in everything about our club currently? And I've never felt that way before ....closest was under Garner.
Even ten years ago against Mansfield we had DC, Lockyer, Brown etc that we could see some hope in going forward.Like him or hate him B***** had personality and you could see he wanted to push our club forward.DC was the same, and going back twenty plus years so was Holloway.
Now I'm not calling for Taylors job, but he seems so boring, I can't listen to his interviews and he record since being her is not inspiring.The past 2 months he couldn't get anything out the players and results and performances were terrible.
Players we've had any connection with are going in Evans or have already gone.The players we have left are 100% going to be a bottom four side this time next year.
I know a summer of rebuilding is ahead, but when I look at Taylor he looks like a broken man, and our leadership from board level has been shambolic and does not fill me with any conference going forward on the field or away from it.
Anyone else?
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Post by baselswh on May 3, 2024 12:45:12 GMT
I get where you are coming from Ice,really,I've been trying to muster up an ounce or two of enthusiasm.
MT deserves a fair crack of the whip.
We'll see next season, after Friend and Taylor have found and signed players to go with our not too shabby retained list.
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Post by rideintothesun on May 3, 2024 12:54:18 GMT
Is it only me that feels completely uninterested in everything about our club currently? And I've never felt that way before ....closest was under Garner. Even ten years ago against Mansfield we had DC, Lockyer, Brown etc that we could see some hope in going forward.Like him or hate him B***** had personality and you could see he wanted to push our club forward.DC was the same, and going back twenty plus years so was Holloway. Now I'm not calling for Taylors job, but he seems so boring, I can't listen to his interviews and he record since being her is not inspiring.The past 2 months he couldn't get anything out the players and results and performances were terrible. Players we've had any connection with are going in Evans or have already gone.The players we have left are 100% going to be a bottom four side this time next year. I know a summer of rebuilding is ahead, but when I look at Taylor he looks like a broken man, and our leadership from board level has been shambolic and does not fill me with any conference going forward on the field or away from it. Anyone else? If you want passion then you only have to look at Taylor's 'fist pumps' after the Cheltenham. And if you want more then consider his emotive address/meltdown to the fans after the Stevenage win, which will live long in the memory of those who witnessed it. I never really felt that B***** made a similar effort to engage the fanbase, who were too eager to give him credit on the basis that a former PL player deigned to manage little old Bristol Rovers. The way that some of our fans fawned over 'Joey' was embarrassing and even degrading. John Ward was associated with the England U-21 set-up and managed at championship level, albeit with the sh*theap across town. JB's crowning achievement to date was getting Fleetwood to the D1 play-offs and then being forced out after his own chairman imposed a transfer embargo on him. He knew nothing of our club and nothing of our history, as shown by the bulls*it he spouted about this being the greatest ever squad in our history. He issued his parting good wishes to the club over Twitter, which says so much about him and his attitude to the club. He was completely full of s*it, and this quite clear by the end of the season, when MT had to make do with the horribly unbalanced, injury-prone, aging and shallow squad he left behind. Give MT the first 10 games of next season, and then see where we are.
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Post by rideintothesun on May 3, 2024 12:58:53 GMT
I get where you are coming from Ice,really,I've been trying to muster up an ounce or two of enthusiasm. MT deserves a fair crack of the whip. We'll see next season, after Friend and Taylor have found and signed players to go with our not too shabby retained list. Just out of interest, what confidence do you have that Friend is qualified to sign the 5-6 players (GK, RB, LB, CB, CF that are required just to put a team out? His appointment reeked of reaching for the easiest/nearest option available.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 3, 2024 13:03:46 GMT
We have a very modest stadium and a very mediocre squad that doesn't score goals or even shoot on target for the whole 90 minutes.If we start winning or even scoring the sap will rise again but I understand your sentiments. Tomorrow ,I will be at Beer Albion with Richard Walker.Ambitious club ,good crowds and the most scenic ground ever.Final of the Devon FA Cup looming and a real buzz there.Do hope one day the 'BUZZ' will return to the Mem.
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Post by baselswh on May 3, 2024 13:12:02 GMT
I get where you are coming from Ice,really,I've been trying to muster up an ounce or two of enthusiasm. MT deserves a fair crack of the whip. We'll see next season, after Friend and Taylor have found and signed players to go with our not too shabby retained list. Just out of interest, what confidence do you have that Friend is qualified to sign the 5-6 players (GK, RB, LB, CB, CF that are required just to put a team out? His appointment reeked of reaching for the easiest/nearest option available. That's one of the concerns rits. Can he spot a good un? Contacts? Hard worker? Eg would he drive to Kings Lynn at late notice,to check out a striker,or shrug his shoulders and think I'll wait and see this strike Saturday as he's playing at Chippenham. In the meantime Norwich sign him! Etc. I have no confidence in Friend,but he might be a good scout.He's an unknown. 🤞
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Post by a more piratey game on May 3, 2024 17:05:52 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah!
Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah!
Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him!
Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier
But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up!
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Post by syg on May 3, 2024 17:23:38 GMT
Yes.
But come next season I will be some what rekindled, with lower expectations and thus less impending disappointment.
I actually think that last season was the end of hope/enthusiasm that started with promotion from the conference, and despite a relegation, was redeemed by a promotion but we are now back at square 1.
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Post by Icegas on May 3, 2024 18:43:09 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up! You lost me when you said a manager that talks sense.. how? I'm not saying that he is awlful, but he is so boring,and then blamed the side when results went wrong after saying in his first interview that the squad is quality and unperformed. The only reason that I see any justice in him still being manager on August is that I'm old school and believe a person should be given 2/3 seasons at a club like in the good days.Apart from that he has so far been an appalling appointment and doesn't inspire anyone that this will change.
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Post by eppinggas on May 4, 2024 7:22:06 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up! I admire your optimism. But you do remind me of Pollyanna. "I'm just so glad, glad, glad to be here". You owe me 2 pints, or the Forum closes.
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 4, 2024 7:51:55 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up! You lost me when you said a manager that talks sense.. how? I'm not saying that he is awlful, but he is so boring, and then blamed the side when results went wrong after saying in his first interview that the squad is quality and unperformed.The only reason that I see any justice in him still being manager on August is that I'm old school and believe a person should be given 2/3 seasons at a club like in the good days.Apart from that he has so far been an appalling appointment and doesn't inspire anyone that this will change. We were all told that we had the best ever squad and that they were underperforming, by guess who and his acolytes who still praise him and attack MT without giving him the time and chance that Barton had? 65% possession, tippy tappy football and no shots on target in some games proved it, we were just shot shy. I am sure MT did the research [he seems the type] and that is what he read and was told and sold. No doubt his frustration with some going through the motions and others being disruptive [allegedly] is part of it and has broken through at times. I am prepared to give MT until 10/15 games in to see his settled squad and I am sure he won't be saying we have the best ever squad, neither will it be, but it will be mostly his squad. Then no excuses.
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Post by bloogas on May 4, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
Is it only me that feels completely uninterested in everything about our club currently? And I've never felt that way before ....closest was under Garner. Even ten years ago against Mansfield we had DC, Lockyer, Brown etc that we could see some hope in going forward.Like him or hate him B***** had personality and you could see he wanted to push our club forward.DC was the same, and going back twenty plus years so was Holloway. Now I'm not calling for Taylors job, but he seems so boring, I can't listen to his interviews and he record since being her is not inspiring.The past 2 months he couldn't get anything out the players and results and performances were terrible. Players we've had any connection with are going in Evans or have already gone.The players we have left are 100% going to be a bottom four side this time next year. I know a summer of rebuilding is ahead, but when I look at Taylor he looks like a broken man, and our leadership from board level has been shambolic and does not fill me with any conference going forward on the field or away from it. Anyone else? I've pressed like because I agree with you. But uninteresting??? It will be fascinating to watch,bit like a sort of blood sport, or Roman gladiators. Drab,mediocre players playing drab, mediocre football. The crowd turning ugly. The pressure building towards an inevitable showdown. But hey! Hang on. He might possibly come good and prove us wrong. I'm very interested.
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Post by eppinggas on May 4, 2024 7:59:08 GMT
I admire people who still have the interest (in Rovers), fair play to them. My interest has gone. Might come back. Never say never. Anyway, buzzing for Wormley Rovers vs Dunmow in the Thurlow Nunn Division 1 South Play-Off Final. Winner promoted to the Essex Senior League at step 5. For £6.
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Post by warehamgas on May 4, 2024 8:06:52 GMT
Just out of interest, what confidence do you have that Friend is qualified to sign the 5-6 players (GK, RB, LB, CB, CF that are required just to put a team out? His appointment reeked of reaching for the easiest/nearest option available. That's one of the concerns rits. Can he spot a good un? Contacts? Hard worker? Eg would he drive to Kings Lynn at late notice,to check out a striker,or shrug his shoulders and think I'll wait and see this strike Saturday as he's playing at Chippenham. In the meantime Norwich sign him! Etc. I have no confidence in Friend,but he might be a good scout.He's an unknown. 🤞 I’m sure GF will have more knowledge about football than you seem to have about him! The guy has nearly 500 games in all divisions including the PL. He was a legend at Middlesbrough and has played in all parts of the country, north, the midlands and the south. Was a well respected footballer likely to know many, many people and have a good list of contracts. Seriously do you think a DOF with the experience you’re worried about not having and likely to be affordable or even want to come to us be a possibility? We're a lower league club so will be the starting point of many players post-football careers. And history has shown that’s where our most successful years have been with younger, hungry-to-do-well people leading us. Good luck to him. UTG!
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2024 9:02:54 GMT
That's one of the concerns rits. Can he spot a good un? Contacts? Hard worker? Eg would he drive to Kings Lynn at late notice,to check out a striker,or shrug his shoulders and think I'll wait and see this strike Saturday as he's playing at Chippenham. In the meantime Norwich sign him! Etc. I have no confidence in Friend,but he might be a good scout.He's an unknown. 🤞 I’m sure GF will have more knowledge about football than you seem to have about him! The guy has nearly 500 games in all divisions including the PL. He was a legend at Middlesbrough and has played in all parts of the country, north, the midlands and the south. Was a well respected footballer likely to know many, many people and have a good list of contracts. Seriously do you think a DOF with the experience you’re worried about not having and likely to be affordable or even want to come to us be a possibility? We're a lower league club so will be the starting point of many players post-football careers. And history has shown that’s where our most successful years have been with younger, hungry-to-do-well people leading us. Good luck to him. UTG! He's unknown,if he had reccomended a couple of good uns in his time I imagine we would of been told. Plenty with greater experience than Friend flopped at scouting,coaching and management after illustrious playing careers. Would you hire Gazza?Actually if Gazza recommended a player I would definitely check him out.🙂 Did Taylor hire Friend as a scout? I don't think he did. Who decision was it? I've acknowledged Friend might turn out to be a successful scout ,but he's an unknown. Gary Neville must of looked attractive to Valencia,until he flopped. Certainly good luck to the bloke and I hope he succeeds. Examples of why "hungry to do well" types are Rovers best bet please?
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Post by a more piratey game on May 4, 2024 9:34:48 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up! I admire your optimism. But you do remind me of Pollyanna. "I'm just so glad, glad, glad to be here". You owe me 2 pints, or the Forum closes. If you'd joined me on the Pomphrey Hill Parkrun this morning I could have obliged! Lovely day for it. Quite a few dressed up for May the fourth (be with you)
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Post by warehamgas on May 4, 2024 17:05:57 GMT
I’m sure GF will have more knowledge about football than you seem to have about him! The guy has nearly 500 games in all divisions including the PL. He was a legend at Middlesbrough and has played in all parts of the country, north, the midlands and the south. Was a well respected footballer likely to know many, many people and have a good list of contracts. Seriously do you think a DOF with the experience you’re worried about not having and likely to be affordable or even want to come to us be a possibility? We're a lower league club so will be the starting point of many players post-football careers. And history has shown that’s where our most successful years have been with younger, hungry-to-do-well people leading us. Good luck to him. UTG! He's unknown,if he had reccomended a couple of good uns in his time I imagine we would of been told. Plenty with greater experience than Friend flopped at scouting,coaching and management after illustrious playing careers. Would you hire Gazza?Actually if Gazza recommended a player I would definitely check him out.🙂 Did Taylor hire Friend as a scout? I don't think he did. Who decision was it? I've acknowledged Friend might turn out to be a successful scout ,but he's an unknown. Gary Neville must of looked attractive to Valencia,until he flopped. Certainly good luck to the bloke and I hope he succeeds. Examples of why "hungry to do well" types are Rovers best bet please?Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City.
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2024 18:23:33 GMT
He's unknown,if he had reccomended a couple of good uns in his time I imagine we would of been told. Plenty with greater experience than Friend flopped at scouting,coaching and management after illustrious playing careers. Would you hire Gazza?Actually if Gazza recommended a player I would definitely check him out.🙂 Did Taylor hire Friend as a scout? I don't think he did. Who decision was it? I've acknowledged Friend might turn out to be a successful scout ,but he's an unknown. Gary Neville must of looked attractive to Valencia,until he flopped. Certainly good luck to the bloke and I hope he succeeds. Examples of why "hungry to do well" types are Rovers best bet please?Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. 🙂 It's not that I'm against "hungry to do well" new managers at all,'htdw' is a fine trait. Someone suggested the other day Rovers seem to suit maverick types,like eg Joseph,maybe DC ,Ollie and Gerry .Men with an ounce or two of charisma is perhaps a better way of putting it. I thought this an interesting point. I suppose we can find "hungry to do well" flops too ,as well as the successes you've named.Garry Thompson was a truly awful Manager.Perhaps a good trainer,but not manager. Malcolm Allison had charisma,but did'nt last long.The 4 0 v City was jolly good though,shoot on sight! What's the magic formula? Discover that and succeed. Edit. I actually respected Waels willingness to take a gamble on his managers eg Ben Garner.Big reputation as a footballing coach,turned out he did'nt like his teams to score.Some you win,some you lose,but it was quite an adventurous decision from Wael. Same goes for when he hired Joseph.Personally I would say Wael tossed the dice and won that time.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 18:28:42 GMT
We've done well with managers promoted from the coaching staff previously, e.g. IH, PT, DC, and GC, including in the short and medium term: the don't require the full clearout or great reset nonsense. I favour a permanently invested Director of football who recruits and managers (not serves) the manager and who has already recruited viable replacements in the sad event of the manager leaving, or worse, necessarily being sacked.
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Post by trymer on May 4, 2024 19:44:07 GMT
He's unknown,if he had reccomended a couple of good uns in his time I imagine we would of been told. Plenty with greater experience than Friend flopped at scouting,coaching and management after illustrious playing careers. Would you hire Gazza?Actually if Gazza recommended a player I would definitely check him out.🙂 Did Taylor hire Friend as a scout? I don't think he did. Who decision was it? I've acknowledged Friend might turn out to be a successful scout ,but he's an unknown. Gary Neville must of looked attractive to Valencia,until he flopped. Certainly good luck to the bloke and I hope he succeeds. Examples of why "hungry to do well" types are Rovers best bet please?Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ?
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