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Post by swissgas on May 4, 2024 19:54:10 GMT
“ Hungry to do well” is an important attribute but it’s just one factor and without proper mentoring and management I think we’re setting George up to fail.
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Post by swissgas on May 4, 2024 19:59:50 GMT
Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? Today is Harold’s 85th birthday. Like you I was disappointed that Harold wasn’t allowed to keep the job and years later asked Geoff Dunford why they let him go. The answer wasn’t entirely convincing. |
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Post by a more piratey game on May 4, 2024 20:18:25 GMT
I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? Today is Harold’s 85th birthday. Like you I was disappointed that Harold wasn’t allowed to keep the job and years later asked Geoff Dunford why they let him go. The answer wasn’t entirely convincing. Er, as a point of order, I believe his name was and is Aaaaroldddd |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 4, 2024 20:30:42 GMT
Only in the North Enclosure!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by warehamgas on May 4, 2024 20:59:42 GMT
Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. 🙂 It's not that I'm against "hungry to do well" new managers at all,'htdw' is a fine trait. Someone suggested the other day Rovers seem to suit maverick types,like eg Joseph,maybe DC ,Ollie and Gerry .Men with an ounce or two of charisma is perhaps a better way of putting it. I thought this an interesting point. I suppose we can find "hungry to do well" flops too ,as well as the successes you've named.Garry Thompson was a truly awful Manager.Perhaps a good trainer,but not manager. Malcolm Allison had charisma,but did'nt last long.The 4 0 v City was jolly good though,shoot on sight! What's the magic formula? Discover that and succeed. Edit. I actually respected Waels willingness to take a gamble on his managers eg Ben Garner.Big reputation as a footballing coach,turned out he did'nt like his teams to score.Some you win,some you lose,but it was quite an adventurous decision from Wael. Same goes for when he hired Joseph.Personally I would say Wael tossed the dice and won that time. Fair enough bas about not being against ‘hungry to do well’ as such. Yes, Thompson wasn’t very good and Malcolm A perhaps not a good example. Perhaps he thought we were Manchester City! I don’t think there is any magic formula. You just have to hope the chemistry is right between the owners, manager and staff, players and crowd. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Regarding George Friend as DOF I think it’s as good an appointment as we can get. MT obviously trusts him and with his experience he may have some very good contacts which can work in our favour. Fingers crossed then. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on May 4, 2024 21:04:59 GMT
Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? Yes, Harold was unlucky. I thought Cooper was ok but you’re probably right, perhaps not the best example!! 🤔 But I think my point about Rovers doing best under people who could be accused of lacking experience still stands. Notwithstanding Terry Cooper perhaps. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on May 5, 2024 8:27:50 GMT
I admire your optimism. But you do remind me of Pollyanna. "I'm just so glad, glad, glad to be here". You owe me 2 pints, or the Forum closes. If you'd joined me on the Pomphrey Hill Parkrun this morning I could have obliged! Lovely day for it. Quite a few dressed up for May the fourth (be with you) 39:08?!? I presume a very hilly course. Well done for competing. My knees are shot, no more Parkruns for me. I was on a 35 mile cycle loop of Matching Green, Moreton and Ongar... superb conditions in the glorious spring sunshine. Let me know when you want to pay your subs! In beer form, of course. |
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Post by alftupper on May 6, 2024 6:25:00 GMT
Ok. I’ll play. Don Megson 1972 onwards. Terry Cooper not so successful but I look on him as successful insofar as we were in lots of trouble at the time. Gerry Francis after his failure at Exeter was eager to succeed with us. And did. Olly as a first time manager. Paul Trollope first time manager with us. Player to coach to manager. DC jumped at the chance to be John W’s assistant and then our manager and finally left after two promotions and pretty much a legend. Blimey, even Bert Tann when he came to us was a first time manager after leaving Charlton for our very first promotion. Im sure others can name other staff, other than managers who started with us and did well. So 1953, 1973-4, 1989-90, 2007, 2014-15, 2015-16 were all achieved with managers/coaches. 6 out of the 7 promotions. The last one JB had been sacked by Fleetwood so also came ‘hungry to do well.’ I’ve played nicely so can you tell me why we wouldn’t want to appoint staff who are ‘hungry to do well?’ And give some examples of those managers who’ve done well with us. Thanks. 😉 UTG! ps. And bas, of course he’s ‘unknown’ to you ( but not the football world!). We are BRFC not Manchester City. I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? That was my first year of following Rovers. What you`ve written, is pretty much how I remember it. |
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Post by littlestokegas on May 6, 2024 6:54:23 GMT
In reply to the OP, yes I feel deflated, I think the fact that the players stopped trying 10 games from the end just sucked all the passion out of me.
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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2024 8:40:56 GMT
Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah! New South Stand adds a lot. Huzzah! New manager talks sense. Huzzah! New owners appear to be an upgrade. Huzzah! More points than last year. Huzzah! Highest league finish in many years. Huzzah! Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! Usual thing about losing lots of money. Oh dear, that's much trickier But overall, no, not lost interest at all. Things are on the up! Biggest win - B***** is gone, including his entourage. Huzzah, huzzah! Yup. Can't disagree with that.New South Stand adds a lot. Half hearted hoorah. Now it's finally up, let's see if the extra revenue pays for the high interest rate we are paying on the loan.New manager talks sense. Not sure I can stretch to hoorah. He doesn't talk much. And when he does, it is dull. But he's not a thug, or an embarrassment.New owners appear to be an upgrade. A bar set so low it is used by limbo dancers.More points than last year. Muted hoorah.Highest league finish in many years. Muted hoorah.Gas Girls now part of the club again, after winning another trophy - big huzzah! Very pleased for the Gas Girls, a reason to be cheerful.Ground developments look likely to continue. Potential huzzah! Where are the plans exactly? It is just talk. There is no substance.Quarters developments might continue. Potential huzzah! Where are the plans exactly? It is just talk. There is no substance.Wael seems to be finding some sort of diplomatic role in football. Huzzah for him! As long as that is far away from Rovers, good.
I hope to be proved wrong, and that Rovers go from strength to strength, both on and off the pitch. But I just can't see it. If I'm wrong then I'm sure my comments will get dredged up and that is absolutely fine. Perhaps being 'detached' from Rovers make me see things a little more objectively? I really don't like what I see from afar. Finances, vision of the future, supporter engagement, Mem rebuild. Things just don't add up. I wish Rovers well, I really do. Good luck Gasheads, I have a feeling you're going to need it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 8:54:49 GMT
People keep saying 'dull' like it's a bad thing. After his predecessor, dull is just what we need. That, and more wins.
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Post by warehamgas on May 6, 2024 12:54:56 GMT
Replying to the OP:
I don’t feel deflated as such just a bit meh!
I suppose every now and again I worry less about us and care a little less but I know that soon wears off. I guess if I can still get enthusiasm for us when we drop to non league then I can just about manage us having a poor month or two in League 1, our historical home.
But yes I agree with the stuff about certain players giving up with 10 games to go. I presume the club didn’t give up paying them. I think that’s more about modern society including football than something exclusive to Rovers though. It will change back again with different players…..I hope.
UTG!
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Post by trymer on May 6, 2024 15:53:57 GMT
I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? Today is Harold’s 85th birthday. Like you I was disappointed that Harold wasn’t allowed to keep the job and years later asked Geoff Dunford why they let him go. The answer wasn’t entirely convincing. I read some years ago that Harold Jarman had said that he doesnt watch football now as he doesnt find the modern game enjoyable, I dont know if thats true but I meet lots of people who have lost interest not just Rovers supporters either. |
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Post by trymer on May 6, 2024 15:56:49 GMT
I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? That was my first year of following Rovers. What you`ve written, is pretty much how I remember it. My regret is that i didnt go to the Rovers home games at AG, I suppose I thought that Rovers might end up sharing permanently, I should have gone as the club needed the support as much then as in the non league season. |
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Post by alftupper on May 7, 2024 6:11:39 GMT
That was my first year of following Rovers. What you`ve written, is pretty much how I remember it. My regret is that i didnt go to the Rovers home games at AG, I suppose I thought that Rovers might end up sharing permanently, I should have gone as the club needed the support as much then as in the non league season. I can still remember being told to leave the 5 litre can of aviation fuel in the car park. |
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Post by pippin on May 7, 2024 7:43:33 GMT
Yes, it’s been an uninspiring season. Whatever the faults of the last chap he did at least get us to play some decent stuff on occasion and life was rarely dull. But that said, I went to the game at Stevenage where we were 2-0 down and MT made some subs and we were transformed. Won 3-2 and played some very good stuff. That does give me hope for the future, with MT I hope.
Perhaps my lack of interest in Rovers mirrors a declining lack of interest in football as I grow older. The Prem makes me yawn (though I laughed through Man United’s defeat last night) and I suspect I’ll feel much the same about the Euros.
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Post by eppinggas on May 7, 2024 8:49:24 GMT
Yes, it’s been an uninspiring season. Whatever the faults of the last chap he did at least get us to play some decent stuff on occasion and life was rarely dull. But that said, I went to the game at Stevenage where we were 2-0 down and MT made some subs and we were transformed. Won 3-2 and played some very good stuff. That does give me hope for the future, with MT I hope. Perhaps my lack of interest in Rovers mirrors a declining lack of interest in football as I grow older. The Prem makes me yawn (though I laughed through Man United’s defeat last night) and I suspect I’ll feel much the same about the Euros. I humbly suggest grass roots and German football might provide a future source of 'football fun'. But I hope you persevere with Rovers and things get better. Which they might. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 7, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
Is it only me that feels completely uninterested in everything about our club currently? And I've never felt that way before ....closest was under Garner. Even ten years ago against Mansfield we had DC, Lockyer, Brown etc that we could see some hope in going forward.Like him or hate him B***** had personality and you could see he wanted to push our club forward.DC was the same, and going back twenty plus years so was Holloway. Now I'm not calling for Taylors job, but he seems so boring, I can't listen to his interviews and he record since being her is not inspiring.The past 2 months he couldn't get anything out the players and results and performances were terrible. Players we've had any connection with are going in Evans or have already gone.The players we have left are 100% going to be a bottom four side this time next year. I know a summer of rebuilding is ahead, but when I look at Taylor he looks like a broken man, and our leadership from board level has been shambolic and does not fill me with any conference going forward on the field or away from it. Anyone else? No, I no longer have any connection to the club. It is not the club I grew up with and is a toxic place. I have been here before, took me 6 seasons to rekindle that fire. Unfortunately I don’t envisage that happening again. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 7, 2024 9:29:18 GMT
I usually agree with your posts Wareham but I have to disagree with Terry Cooper, Harold Jarman had kept Rovers up the season before but the board gave Cooper the job,maybe they thought as an international he would have more contacts ? A bit like Birmingham sacking their manager and appointing Rooney and they just got relegated too. I like 'what if' and I do wonder what if Harold had got the job ? Today is Harold’s 85th birthday. Like you I was disappointed that Harold wasn’t allowed to keep the job and years later asked Geoff Dunford why they let him go. The answer wasn’t entirely convincing. Did you expect any other type of reply from GD ? |
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Post by knobrot on May 28, 2024 17:12:51 GMT
Those that ‘buy in’ to the culture seem to do well, those that try to upend everything don’t last long. Anthony Evans in his first season here when I asked him how he was settling in said and I quote ‘ this is a very special place to play football’ for someone brought up at Everton that comment speaks volumes. Back to the O P, in 62 years following the club I have never been so disinterested as I am now. I’ll drag myself over there to watch games but no way will I buy a season ticket this time around.
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