trymer
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Post by trymer on Jan 12, 2024 14:41:28 GMT
No doubt Starmer will find common ground with Trump if they both win their elections.
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 15:42:50 GMT
No doubt Starmer will find common ground with Trump if they both win their elections. I think he will be gone very soon after election win ( likely ) or loose , just listening to councillors , supporters there not happy , but hes there best bet of a election win , so will keep there powder dry until after the election Or could he be fooling some of us & do a complete u-turn if he wins election & revert to left policies , he was a supporter of Corbyn being prime minister after all , do you really change your views that much God knows |
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 17:04:52 GMT
Jesus Christ.
Our education system has a lot to answer for
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 17:53:24 GMT
Jesus Christ. Our education system has a lot to answer for I was more interested in women , football , cider than learning at school , regular target for the board rubber At least I learnt not to support terrorists , Jeremy Corbyn |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 18:08:24 GMT
Actually the education at coalpit Heath , ridings & chase wernt the best , think I’m being a bid hard on myself
They failed me really , sure it was a Labour council in charge so no suprise
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Post by trymer on Jan 12, 2024 18:35:26 GMT
Just think,some youngsters go to school at 3 or 4 and if they go on to University they are 23 or 24 before they finish their education and start looking for work.
Some of them are institutionalised, they are not used to getting up early to go to work,there are not enough good jobs for the huge amount of people with degrees.
I worked in one place where 2 of the labourers had degrees,both in interior design, another girl with a degree had a junior management job (none of the others at her level had or needed a degree) a mobile phone shop that I went to had 4 staff,3 had degrees...all 4 tried to sort my phone out,guess which one sorted it ?
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 22:42:59 GMT
Just think,some youngsters go to school at 3 or 4 and if they go on to University they are 23 or 24 before they finish their education and start looking for work. Some of them are institutionalised, they are not used to getting up early to go to work,there are not enough good jobs for the huge amount of people with degrees. I worked in one place where 2 of the labourers had degrees,both in interior design, another girl with a degree had a junior management job (none of the others at her level had or needed a degree) a mobile phone shop that I went to had 4 staff,3 had degrees...all 4 tried to sort my phone out,guess which one sorted it ? 🤭🤭🤭 The point of tertiary education is to teach you to think, to challenge, to weigh evidence and make rational conclusions. To not be a numb nut. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 13, 2024 8:43:39 GMT
Sir keir starmer branded a hypocrite over a £25,000 private jet to cop28 provided by Qatar.
Labour leader has repeatedly attacked rishi sunak over his use of private planes and helicopters including at this weeks pmq,s
But I’m one of you , my dad was a toolmaker , I grew up
Working class
But now I’m a champagne socialist , and a hypocrite to boot
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 13, 2024 8:57:53 GMT
Just think,some youngsters go to school at 3 or 4 and if they go on to University they are 23 or 24 before they finish their education and start looking for work. Some of them are institutionalised, they are not used to getting up early to go to work,there are not enough good jobs for the huge amount of people with degrees. I worked in one place where 2 of the labourers had degrees,both in interior design, another girl with a degree had a junior management job (none of the others at her level had or needed a degree) a mobile phone shop that I went to had 4 staff,3 had degrees...all 4 tried to sort my phone out,guess which one sorted it ? 🤭🤭🤭 The point of tertiary education is to teach you to think, to challenge, to weigh evidence and make rational conclusions. To not be a numb nut. Not stopped me getting where I am , happy with my life , 5 bed detached house ( paid for ) , 2 cars + motorbikes ( paid for ) , 2/3 holidays abroad each year + various breaks in this country , it’s not the millionaire lifestyle intelligent people would have , but for a numb nut I’m happy enough I also did a craft apprentiship at rolls Royce which I passed with distinctions , universal grinder , then worked in the development machine shop as a jig borer , it’s obviously not running a multi billion company , but with my limited academic abilities I’ve done ok , some of us are more practical than academic, my 1/2 brother is at the top at Tate & Lyle , millionaire , properties etc , I’ve just built him a new wall , concrete post fencing , put him new doors in , new patio , whilst he read the Financial Times , |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 13, 2024 9:24:10 GMT
Just think,some youngsters go to school at 3 or 4 and if they go on to University they are 23 or 24 before they finish their education and start looking for work. Some of them are institutionalised, they are not used to getting up early to go to work,there are not enough good jobs for the huge amount of people with degrees. I worked in one place where 2 of the labourers had degrees,both in interior design, another girl with a degree had a junior management job (none of the others at her level had or needed a degree) a mobile phone shop that I went to had 4 staff,3 had degrees...all 4 tried to sort my phone out,guess which one sorted it ? 🤭🤭🤭 The point of tertiary education is to teach you to think, to challenge, to weigh evidence and make rational conclusions. To not be a numb nut. Yet for all your intelligence oldie you had your ass handed to you by Boris over brexit , hilarious |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 13, 2024 13:12:54 GMT
Labour peer spends £100,000 taxpayers money flying from Newcastle to westminister
Blair ally lord Cunningham racks up highest air travel bill since 2017 .
A Labour lord has expensed more than £100,000 on flights between Newcastle and London
The total hypocrisy of these charlatans, whilst attacking sunak using private planes , there doing the same & racking up even higher expense bills paid for by us , disgusting
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Post by trymer on Jan 13, 2024 15:14:59 GMT
🤭🤭🤭 The point of tertiary education is to teach you to think, to challenge, to weigh evidence and make rational conclusions. To not be a numb nut. Not stopped me getting where I am , happy with my life , 5 bed detached house ( paid for ) , 2 cars + motorbikes ( paid for ) , 2/3 holidays abroad each year + various breaks in this country , it’s not the millionaire lifestyle intelligent people would have , but for a numb nut I’m happy enough I also did a craft apprentiship at rolls Royce which I passed with distinctions , universal grinder , then worked in the development machine shop as a jig borer , it’s obviously not running a multi billion company , but with my limited academic abilities I’ve done ok , some of us are more practical than academic, my 1/2 brother is at the top at Tate & Lyle , millionaire , properties etc , I’ve just built him a new wall , concrete post fencing , put him new doors in , new patio , whilst he read the Financial Times , Any decent engineering firm would employ someone who served Rolls Royce apprenticeship it guaranteed well paid employment unlike many degrees these days. Do you ever wish that you had a tertiary education ? built up tens of thousands of pounds of student debt got a meaningless degree and got a job in a mobile phone shop or as a labourer...jobs that you could get without a degree....or do you think those people are the real numb nuts as I do ? |
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Post by oldie on Jan 13, 2024 17:57:42 GMT
Not stopped me getting where I am , happy with my life , 5 bed detached house ( paid for ) , 2 cars + motorbikes ( paid for ) , 2/3 holidays abroad each year + various breaks in this country , it’s not the millionaire lifestyle intelligent people would have , but for a numb nut I’m happy enough I also did a craft apprentiship at rolls Royce which I passed with distinctions , universal grinder , then worked in the development machine shop as a jig borer , it’s obviously not running a multi billion company , but with my limited academic abilities I’ve done ok , some of us are more practical than academic, my 1/2 brother is at the top at Tate & Lyle , millionaire , properties etc , I’ve just built him a new wall , concrete post fencing , put him new doors in , new patio , whilst he read the Financial Times , Any decent engineering firm would employ someone who served Rolls Royce apprenticeship it guaranteed well paid employment unlike many degrees these days. Do you ever wish that you had a tertiary education ? built up tens of thousands of pounds of student debt got a meaningless degree and got a job in a mobile phone shop or as a labourer...jobs that you could get without a degree....or do you think those people are the real numb nuts as I do ? It's the classic question of education. Is the purpose of tertiary education to train for jobs, or to educate? For a lot of skill specific jobs, medicine, law etc absolutely. But in general, it is to educate. However I totally agree that as a country we have not valued skilled jobs training, however it is delivered. This started with a deliberate policy of deindustrialization after 1979 with the policies of the Thatcher government. It was her government that over emphasised the service sector economy, a sector of the economy that valued university qualifications over all else. Other than "class" prejudice. By the mid nineties this left whole swathes of the country with no jobs, no skills training, very poor secondary education facilities and very little tertiary education attainment.At least the Bete Noir of this forum, Mr Blair, recognised it and pushed hard for tertiary education for all. I never thought that was the absolute answer but with the demise of our industrial base and consumer technology still in it's infancy I don't know what else he could have done. It didn't work and with increasing globalisation of the economy the situation, by 2016, the geographic split of our economy in the UK was stark. That split was worsened by the next and new Tory government in 2010 who inflicted austerity on those who had lost out the most from deindustrialization and the failure, in the main, of the drive for tertiary education for all. You know where I am going with this. At that point, looking for someone to blame, came the EU referendum. So an electorate was asked to make a decision on something which they did not fully understand, were lied to by charlatans, whilst all the whole being justifiably angry at the demise of their living standards and lack of economic prospects. Again the geographic split of that vote highlighted this economic split. Taking a line across the country from the east to west coast above London to Bristol, to the south voted remain, to the north voted leave. (In the main) It was stark. Now we have had 7 years of chaotic Tory Government which followed 6 years of Tory economic ideologically driven economic policies which made the lives north of that line much worse. Funnily enough we have a real opportunity to amend this. Technology has become affordable but it will take different strategies to harness it in education, economic productivity and social services. But we won't do that if we deny history or fail to understand and recognise how we got to this point. Some of the (I have to say it) stupid and ignorant posts put on this forum just highlight the task before us. In the meantime for the purposes of deflection let's go bomb and kill some people in the Middle East. That's what we always do isn't it when our government(s) are caught staring into the headlights of their dreadful domestic realities. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 13, 2024 19:53:47 GMT
Any decent engineering firm would employ someone who served Rolls Royce apprenticeship it guaranteed well paid employment unlike many degrees these days. Do you ever wish that you had a tertiary education ? built up tens of thousands of pounds of student debt got a meaningless degree and got a job in a mobile phone shop or as a labourer...jobs that you could get without a degree....or do you think those people are the real numb nuts as I do ? It's the classic question of education. Is the purpose of tertiary education to train for jobs, or to educate? For a lot of skill specific jobs, medicine, law etc absolutely. But in general, it is to educate. However I totally agree that as a country we have not valued skilled jobs training, however it is delivered. This started with a deliberate policy of deindustrialization after 1979 with the policies of the Thatcher government. It was her government that over emphasised the service sector economy, a sector of the economy that valued university qualifications over all else. Other than "class" prejudice. By the mid nineties this left whole swathes of the country with no jobs, no skills training, very poor secondary education facilities and very little tertiary education attainment.At least the Bete Noir of this forum, Mr Blair, recognised it and pushed hard for tertiary education for all. I never thought that was the absolute answer but with the demise of our industrial base and consumer technology still in it's infancy I don't know what else he could have done. It didn't work and with increasing globalisation of the economy the situation, by 2016, the geographic split of our economy in the UK was stark. That split was worsened by the next and new Tory government in 2010 who inflicted austerity on those who had lost out the most from deindustrialization and the failure, in the main, of the drive for tertiary education for all. You know where I am going with this. At that point, looking for someone to blame, came the EU referendum. So an electorate was asked to make a decision on something which they did not fully understand, were lied to by charlatans, whilst all the whole being justifiably angry at the demise of their living standards and lack of economic prospects. Again the geographic split of that vote highlighted this economic split. Taking a line across the country from the east to west coast above London to Bristol, to the south voted remain, to the north voted leave. (In the main) It was stark. Now we have had 7 years of chaotic Tory Government which followed 6 years of Tory economic ideologically driven economic policies which made the lives north of that line much worse. Funnily enough we have a real opportunity to amend this. Technology has become affordable but it will take different strategies to harness it in education, economic productivity and social services. But we won't do that if we deny history or fail to understand and recognise how we got to this point. Some of the (I have to say it) stupid and ignorant posts put on this forum just highlight the task before us. In the meantime for the purposes of deflection let's go bomb and kill some people in the Middle East. That's what we always do isn't it when our government(s) are caught staring into the headlights of their dreadful domestic realities. Well...seems like you've been waiting to get that lecture off your chest....and does your last paragraph include .Tony Blair ( sir...I forgot ) for his alleged war crimes carried out in Iraq under his leadership,along with another American presidential muppet. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 13, 2024 20:00:10 GMT
It's the classic question of education. Is the purpose of tertiary education to train for jobs, or to educate? For a lot of skill specific jobs, medicine, law etc absolutely. But in general, it is to educate. However I totally agree that as a country we have not valued skilled jobs training, however it is delivered. This started with a deliberate policy of deindustrialization after 1979 with the policies of the Thatcher government. It was her government that over emphasised the service sector economy, a sector of the economy that valued university qualifications over all else. Other than "class" prejudice. By the mid nineties this left whole swathes of the country with no jobs, no skills training, very poor secondary education facilities and very little tertiary education attainment.At least the Bete Noir of this forum, Mr Blair, recognised it and pushed hard for tertiary education for all. I never thought that was the absolute answer but with the demise of our industrial base and consumer technology still in it's infancy I don't know what else he could have done. It didn't work and with increasing globalisation of the economy the situation, by 2016, the geographic split of our economy in the UK was stark. That split was worsened by the next and new Tory government in 2010 who inflicted austerity on those who had lost out the most from deindustrialization and the failure, in the main, of the drive for tertiary education for all. You know where I am going with this. At that point, looking for someone to blame, came the EU referendum. So an electorate was asked to make a decision on something which they did not fully understand, were lied to by charlatans, whilst all the whole being justifiably angry at the demise of their living standards and lack of economic prospects. Again the geographic split of that vote highlighted this economic split. Taking a line across the country from the east to west coast above London to Bristol, to the south voted remain, to the north voted leave. (In the main) It was stark. Now we have had 7 years of chaotic Tory Government which followed 6 years of Tory economic ideologically driven economic policies which made the lives north of that line much worse. Funnily enough we have a real opportunity to amend this. Technology has become affordable but it will take different strategies to harness it in education, economic productivity and social services. But we won't do that if we deny history or fail to understand and recognise how we got to this point. Some of the (I have to say it) stupid and ignorant posts put on this forum just highlight the task before us. In the meantime for the purposes of deflection let's go bomb and kill some people in the Middle East. That's what we always do isn't it when our government(s) are caught staring into the headlights of their dreadful domestic realities. Well...seems like you've been waiting to get that lecture off your chest....and does your last paragraph include .Tony Blair ( sir...I forgot ) for his alleged war crimes carried out in Iraq under his leadership,along with another American presidential muppet. Been saying it for years LiS. As for Blair, for the life of me I have never understood why he did what he did in regard to the invasion of Iraq. It wasn't for electoral reasons, he had just won two general elections with thumping majorities. Polls in 2003 had him well ahead. So to this day I am mystified |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 13, 2024 20:35:26 GMT
Yes trymer , rolls Royce opened lots of doors for me , machining parts for classic Maseratis , 60 ton dump trucks , rollers , graders , building ford recon engines , welding hydraulic rams , even welded the sledges ( think that what ) they were in maybe falklands war , worked as a inspector etc etc , I just love doing things with my hands , making things
but ask me to spell something / fill in a application etc I have to get the wife’s / daughters help
it’s very strange as sister / brother were A in everything at school , I was E other than practical things
but I wouldnt swap anything , put £1,000 in front of me , or a old motorbike engine to rebuild I’d pick the rebuild every time
daughter often says to the txt / WhatsApp I send her , can you put that in English dad & a full stop would be helpful lol
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 14, 2024 8:52:31 GMT
Labour to bring in supervised tooth brushing for children , it’s the parents job you bloody idiots , more proof of the bloody nanny state crap were going to get if these idiots win the next election
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Post by oldie on Jan 14, 2024 9:23:18 GMT
Labour to bring in supervised tooth brushing for children , it’s the parents job you bloody idiots , more proof of the bloody nanny state crap were going to get if these idiots win the next election As reported in "Literacy Weekly" |
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Post by trymer on Jan 14, 2024 9:42:59 GMT
Labour to bring in supervised tooth brushing for children , it’s the parents job you bloody idiots , more proof of the bloody nanny state crap were going to get if these idiots win the next election Most children seem to start education at 3 or 4 and dont leave school until 17 or 18....talking to young people I am amazed at what they DONT know,what are they being taught ? Probably teaching the grungy ones how to clean their teeth will be the most useful thing that they learn at school...certainly more useful than learning the periodic table or music lessons were for me. Yes it is the parents duty to teach their offspring personal hygiene however we have to face it some parents are absolutely useless and shouldnt be allowed to have a cat or dog let alone a child. |
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Post by trymer on Jan 14, 2024 9:57:16 GMT
It's the classic question of education. Is the purpose of tertiary education to train for jobs, or to educate? For a lot of skill specific jobs, medicine, law etc absolutely. But in general, it is to educate. However I totally agree that as a country we have not valued skilled jobs training, however it is delivered. This started with a deliberate policy of deindustrialization after 1979 with the policies of the Thatcher government. It was her government that over emphasised the service sector economy, a sector of the economy that valued university qualifications over all else. Other than "class" prejudice. By the mid nineties this left whole swathes of the country with no jobs, no skills training, very poor secondary education facilities and very little tertiary education attainment.At least the Bete Noir of this forum, Mr Blair, recognised it and pushed hard for tertiary education for all. I never thought that was the absolute answer but with the demise of our industrial base and consumer technology still in it's infancy I don't know what else he could have done. It didn't work and with increasing globalisation of the economy the situation, by 2016, the geographic split of our economy in the UK was stark. That split was worsened by the next and new Tory government in 2010 who inflicted austerity on those who had lost out the most from deindustrialization and the failure, in the main, of the drive for tertiary education for all. You know where I am going with this. At that point, looking for someone to blame, came the EU referendum. So an electorate was asked to make a decision on something which they did not fully understand, were lied to by charlatans, whilst all the whole being justifiably angry at the demise of their living standards and lack of economic prospects. Again the geographic split of that vote highlighted this economic split. Taking a line across the country from the east to west coast above London to Bristol, to the south voted remain, to the north voted leave. (In the main) It was stark. Now we have had 7 years of chaotic Tory Government which followed 6 years of Tory economic ideologically driven economic policies which made the lives north of that line much worse. Funnily enough we have a real opportunity to amend this. Technology has become affordable but it will take different strategies to harness it in education, economic productivity and social services. But we won't do that if we deny history or fail to understand and recognise how we got to this point. Some of the (I have to say it) stupid and ignorant posts put on this forum just highlight the task before us. In the meantime for the purposes of deflection let's go bomb and kill some people in the Middle East. That's what we always do isn't it when our government(s) are caught staring into the headlights of their dreadful domestic realities. Well...seems like you've been waiting to get that lecture off your chest....and does your last paragraph include .Tony Blair ( sir...I forgot ) for his alleged war crimes carried out in Iraq under his leadership,along with another American presidential muppet. Didnt Blair also bomb Serbia and Libya ? I remember Blair looking most uncomfortable when asked if he used to kneel and pray with Bush. The problem with politicians is the same problem in most of life in that the people who put themselves forward to run anything are usually the people least qualified or suited to do it.... |
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