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Post by oldie on Jan 8, 2024 5:29:50 GMT
That is not what you stated or asked. You stated pensions. You haven't answered so I will respectfully conclude that you do not (understand HMRC regulations on pensions) You know more than ifs then , anyway for the 3 rd time how are Labour going to finance this 28 billion p/a they intend to spend , if it’s not by tax ? No deflection this time ! Quote the IFS then? I am not here to defend a Labour Party manifesto, particularly one that has yet to be published. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 8, 2024 6:03:17 GMT
You know more than ifs then , anyway for the 3 rd time how are Labour going to finance this 28 billion p/a they intend to spend , if it’s not by tax ? No deflection this time ! Quote the IFS then? I am not here to defend a Labour Party manifesto, particularly one that has yet to be published. it’s quoted on my first post on the subject , why would the ifs comment on something in your words that’s not been published , it’s been all over the news they intend to spend 28 billion , starmer has said it , even his mps have said they don’t want him to spend it , Sunak has said it can only be financed through tax rises , ifs have said the same Hope your right it’s not true , for the sake of the pensioners who will pay the price for this crackpot idea , me I’m taking my money & im out of this country |
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Post by oldie on Jan 8, 2024 6:26:48 GMT
Quote the IFS then? I am not here to defend a Labour Party manifesto, particularly one that has yet to be published. it’s quoted on my first post on the subject , why would the ifs comment on something in your words that’s not been published , it’s been all over the news they intend to spend 28 billion , starmer has said it , even his mps have said they don’t want him to spend it , Sunak has said it can only be financed through tax rises , ifs have said the same Hope your right it’s not true , for the sake of the pensioners who will pay the price for this crackpot idea , me I’m taking my money & im out of this country So you are willing to pay upto 40% tax on your pension pot by cashing it in? The only IFS study I could find on Labour's previously stated intentions is this one ifs.org.uk/articles/look-under-hood-labours-investment-planshttps://ifs.org.uk/articles/look-under-hood-labours-investment-plans. Within that body of work they state that they do not expect the plans indicated to have a significant impact on government financing. They also say the plans have yet to be finalised, which is what I said. You could of course post a link to the report you claim to quote🤔 |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 10, 2024 8:47:05 GMT
Labour has consulted Us over Gaza approach
Labour has consulted with the Us goverment over its approach to Gaza , and has been influenced by the Us position , at a regular meeting of the parliamentary Labour Party on Monday night , Keirr starmer told mps he is in regular contact with Jake Sullivan th Us national security adviser , senior Labour & Us diplomatic figures are also understood to have discussed how to address the violence in Gaza
Pathetic , this is meant to be a goverment in waiting, they can’t make a decision for them selves , if it wasn’t bad enough them running behind thr uk,s back to the eu ( should of been charged with treason ) there now running to the Us with what do we do , you can see a mile off who will be running this country when Labour get in ,
A great leader ( starmer ) , he’s just a puppet of the eu/ us , vdl & Biden must be rubbing there hands together at the thought of this idiot in charge of this country
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Post by oldie on Jan 10, 2024 17:23:08 GMT
Labour has consulted Us over Gaza approach Labour has consulted with the Us goverment over its approach to Gaza , and has been influenced by the Us position , at a regular meeting of the parliamentary Labour Party on Monday night , Keirr starmer told mps he is in regular contact with Jake Sullivan th Us national security adviser , senior Labour & Us diplomatic figures are also understood to have discussed how to address the violence in Gaza Pathetic , this is meant to be a goverment in waiting, they can’t make a decision for them selves , if it wasn’t bad enough them running behind thr uk,s back to the eu ( should of been charged with treason ) there now running to the Us with what do we do , you can see a mile off who will be running this country when Labour get in , A great leader ( starmer ) , he’s just a puppet of the eu/ us , vdl & Biden must be rubbing there hands together at the thought of this idiot in charge of this country My goodness. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 10, 2024 19:21:59 GMT
Labours eco plan crisis fear
Ministers have warned of a new money market meltdown over labours £28 million ( oldie says it’s not been published yet !! ) eco jobs plan
They argue sir keirr starmers spending plans risk a debt crisis similar to one caused by pm truss,s mini budget
Treasury minister bim afolami said yesterday , the bond markets are clear , Labour cannot borrow to pay for their unfounded spending commitment without risking a debt crisis
That means the only way to pay for keirr starmers flagship 2030 promise is higher Taxes ( taxes !!!!!!!just what I said ) .
But a Labour source said the biggest risk to the economy is five more years of the tories ( maybe explaining there coatings for this plan would of been better than petty retorts )
Seems to be all over the news , starmer speaking about in on news , Labour mp,s not happy about it , tories tearing the policy apart , but apparently it’s not been published
Everyone saying it can only be funded by higher taxes , pensions , seems me & everyone don’t know what we’re on about
If it isn’t going to cause tax rises why don’t Labour just say so , tell us how there going to pay for it ? They know if they tell the truth then theyl be toast
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 10, 2024 19:35:14 GMT
Labour has consulted Us over Gaza approach Labour has consulted with the Us goverment over its approach to Gaza , and has been influenced by the Us position , at a regular meeting of the parliamentary Labour Party on Monday night , Keirr starmer told mps he is in regular contact with Jake Sullivan th Us national security adviser , senior Labour & Us diplomatic figures are also understood to have discussed how to address the violence in Gaza Pathetic , this is meant to be a goverment in waiting, they can’t make a decision for them selves , if it wasn’t bad enough them running behind thr uk,s back to the eu ( should of been charged with treason ) there now running to the Us with what do we do , you can see a mile off who will be running this country when Labour get in , A great leader ( starmer ) , he’s just a puppet of the eu/ us , vdl & Biden must be rubbing there hands together at the thought of this idiot in charge of this country My goodness. Surprised , your labour comrades were condemning starmer today , not Labour , not in our name , once we win election he’s gone , I guess winning an election is more important than principles to some Labour supporters !! |
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Post by trymer on Jan 10, 2024 19:41:15 GMT
Surprised , your labour comrades were condemning starmer today , not Labour , not in our name , once we win election he’s gone , I guess winning an election is more important than principles to some Labour supporters !! Wait and see what happens if they do win,splits between moderates and far left, splits about Palestine, and an angry general public once taxes rise....doubt they would last 3 years. New alternative to Lib/Lab/Con needed. |
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 10, 2024 20:15:44 GMT
A laugh out loud moment - PMQs: Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle accidentally refers to Keir Starmer as 'Prime Minister'..by Ralph Blackburn.
An omen perhaps or just an assumption that Labour will win the general election coming later this year.
Either way, it was a major faux pas by Lindsay Hoyle during Prime Minister's Questions. The clue is in the name - they're questions to the PM.
However, today 10th January when quieting rowdy MPs, the House of Commons Speaker Hoyle accidentally referred to Keir Starmer as "Prime Minister" instead of Rishi Sunak.
The Labour leader had been talking about his party's plans to stop the boats, before the Speaker had to step in and interrupt baying Tory MPs. Hoyle told members: "I couldn't hear the questions, I don't want interruptions please, it's very important, it's a very important topic and I take it seriously and I hope members also wish to start taking it seriously."
He then turned to Starmer and said: "Prime Minister." Hoyle had already introduced Starmer as "the leader of the opposition" so clearly the break threw him off his stride.
Surprisingly, there was no reaction from MPs, who usually react with glee to anything like this. Especially Labour members, who hope that by the end of the year it will be Starmer answering questions and not Sunak.
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Post by oldie on Jan 10, 2024 23:12:11 GMT
Surprised , your labour comrades were condemning starmer today , not Labour , not in our name , once we win election he’s gone , I guess winning an election is more important than principles to some Labour supporters !! Wait and see what happens if they do win,splits between moderates and far left, splits about Palestine, and an angry general public once taxes rise....doubt they would last 3 years. New alternative to Lib/Lab/Con needed. Making it up. Tax burden has risen to the highest level since forever under this Tory administration, perhaps another fact that has passed you by. There is no "far left" in the Labour Party, that's a tabloid made up story. As for Palestine, who is not conflicted (not you obviously with your apparent black and white view on life. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 11, 2024 1:13:14 GMT
The reality is that Labour will form the next government. Unfortunately they will not get in because of what they can do, but rather they will be elected because of the Tory failings. Labour's main policy is that they will be able to pay for everything by "growing the economy", however, they have no idea as to how they will achieve this and they cannot explain how. It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved.
If anyone thinks that a Labour government is the answer, then they are totally deluded. We all know that the current Tory Party are unable to form an effective government, so basically the country is screwed.
Yes, the taxes are the highest in living memory, but anyone with a brain cell would realise that the country ie. the taxpayer, would have to pay for the Covid crisis. The government did bend over backwards to help the country, there can be no denying that, but the huge cost of Covid has to be paid for.
As for Palestine, I fully support the Israelis in their attempt to rid this world of the Islamic terrorists. Once they have achieved that, then maybe the world can turn their attention to Iran who are just another cancer cell that is blighting this world.
Is there a far-left group in the Labour Party? Of course there is and anyone who disagrees with that statement are just blinkered. The new Deputy Prime Minister will be Angela Raynor. God knows who will be the Labour Chancellor, Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary. The current Defence Secretary is Grant Schnapps. Has British politics ever been led by such a bunch of no-hopers, in both the Tory and Labour parties? Starmer as a PM? Jesus Christ !
Best we all strap on our seatbelts, because the next ten years promise to be full of hurt for the average person.
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2024 1:43:11 GMT
The reality is that Labour will form the next government. Unfortunately they will not get in because of what they can do, but rather they will be elected because of the Tory failings. Labour's main policy is that they will be able to pay for everything by "growing the economy", however, they have no idea as to how they will achieve this and they cannot explain how. It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved. If anyone thinks that a Labour government is the answer, then they are totally deluded. We all know that the current Tory Party are unable to form an effective government, so basically the country is screwed. Yes, the taxes are the highest in living memory, but anyone with a brain cell would realise that the country ie. the taxpayer, would have to pay for the Covid crisis. The government did bend over backwards to help the country, there can be no denying that, but the huge cost of Covid has to be paid for. As for Palestine, I fully support the Israelis in their attempt to rid this world of the Islamic terrorists. Once they have achieved that, then maybe the world can turn their attention to Iran who are just another cancer cell that is blighting this world. Is there a far-left group in the Labour Party? Of course there is and anyone who disagrees with that statement are just blinkered. The new Deputy Prime Minister will be Angela Raynor. God knows who will be the Labour Chancellor, Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary. The current Defence Secretary is Grant Schnapps. Has British politics ever been led by such a bunch of no-hopers, in both the Tory and Labour parties? Starmer as a PM? Jesus Christ ! Best we all strap on our seatbelts, because the next ten years promise to be full of hurt for the average person. "It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved." 1997 to 2008 Quote from the LSE "The expansion of property and the public sector both actually held back measured aggregate productivity. The financial sector contributed only about 0.4% of the 2.8% annual growth in the UK market economy between 1997 and 2007." Still, why let the numbers get in the way of a few bits of made up mantra |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 11, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
The reality is that Labour will form the next government. Unfortunately they will not get in because of what they can do, but rather they will be elected because of the Tory failings. Labour's main policy is that they will be able to pay for everything by "growing the economy", however, they have no idea as to how they will achieve this and they cannot explain how. It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved. If anyone thinks that a Labour government is the answer, then they are totally deluded. We all know that the current Tory Party are unable to form an effective government, so basically the country is screwed. Yes, the taxes are the highest in living memory, but anyone with a brain cell would realise that the country ie. the taxpayer, would have to pay for the Covid crisis. The government did bend over backwards to help the country, there can be no denying that, but the huge cost of Covid has to be paid for. As for Palestine, I fully support the Israelis in their attempt to rid this world of the Islamic terrorists. Once they have achieved that, then maybe the world can turn their attention to Iran who are just another cancer cell that is blighting this world. Is there a far-left group in the Labour Party? Of course there is and anyone who disagrees with that statement are just blinkered. The new Deputy Prime Minister will be Angela Raynor. God knows who will be the Labour Chancellor, Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary. The current Defence Secretary is Grant Schnapps. Has British politics ever been led by such a bunch of no-hopers, in both the Tory and Labour parties? Starmer as a PM? Jesus Christ ! Best we all strap on our seatbelts, because the next ten years promise to be full of hurt for the average person. "It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved." 1997 to 2008 Quote from the LSE "The expansion of property and the public sector both actually held back measured aggregate productivity. The financial sector contributed only about 0.4% of the 2.8% annual growth in the UK market economy between 1997 and 2007." Still, why let the numbers get in the way of a few bits of made up mantra You search for obscure numbers and I'll look at the reality. When Labour came into power in 1997 the economy was in good health. When Labour got booted out in 2010 the country was broke. |
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Post by trymer on Jan 11, 2024 9:35:34 GMT
The reality is that Labour will form the next government. Unfortunately they will not get in because of what they can do, but rather they will be elected because of the Tory failings. Labour's main policy is that they will be able to pay for everything by "growing the economy", however, they have no idea as to how they will achieve this and they cannot explain how. It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved. If anyone thinks that a Labour government is the answer, then they are totally deluded. We all know that the current Tory Party are unable to form an effective government, so basically the country is screwed. Yes, the taxes are the highest in living memory, but anyone with a brain cell would realise that the country ie. the taxpayer, would have to pay for the Covid crisis. The government did bend over backwards to help the country, there can be no denying that, but the huge cost of Covid has to be paid for. As for Palestine, I fully support the Israelis in their attempt to rid this world of the Islamic terrorists. Once they have achieved that, then maybe the world can turn their attention to Iran who are just another cancer cell that is blighting this world. Is there a far-left group in the Labour Party? Of course there is and anyone who disagrees with that statement are just blinkered. The new Deputy Prime Minister will be Angela Raynor. God knows who will be the Labour Chancellor, Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary. The current Defence Secretary is Grant Schnapps. Has British politics ever been led by such a bunch of no-hopers, in both the Tory and Labour parties? Starmer as a PM? Jesus Christ ! Best we all strap on our seatbelts, because the next ten years promise to be full of hurt for the average person. The best and most realistic post that I have read on this forum. Shapps,Lammy,Sunak,Starmer,Phillips...I could go on, virtually no MPs with any common sense,practical experience, the vast majority of them utterly incapable of running the country, as you say total no hopers. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2024 12:42:15 GMT
"It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved." 1997 to 2008 Quote from the LSE "The expansion of property and the public sector both actually held back measured aggregate productivity. The financial sector contributed only about 0.4% of the 2.8% annual growth in the UK market economy between 1997 and 2007." Still, why let the numbers get in the way of a few bits of made up mantra You search for obscure numbers and I'll look at the reality. When Labour came into power in 1997 the economy was in good health. When Labour got booted out in 2010 the country was broke. Nobby You are in denial. The average annual GDP growth in that decade is a matter of historical record, not an "obscure number" A record that completely contradicts your statement. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2024 12:43:32 GMT
The reality is that Labour will form the next government. Unfortunately they will not get in because of what they can do, but rather they will be elected because of the Tory failings. Labour's main policy is that they will be able to pay for everything by "growing the economy", however, they have no idea as to how they will achieve this and they cannot explain how. It's just this mantra of "growing the economy" something no Labour government has ever achieved. If anyone thinks that a Labour government is the answer, then they are totally deluded. We all know that the current Tory Party are unable to form an effective government, so basically the country is screwed. Yes, the taxes are the highest in living memory, but anyone with a brain cell would realise that the country ie. the taxpayer, would have to pay for the Covid crisis. The government did bend over backwards to help the country, there can be no denying that, but the huge cost of Covid has to be paid for. As for Palestine, I fully support the Israelis in their attempt to rid this world of the Islamic terrorists. Once they have achieved that, then maybe the world can turn their attention to Iran who are just another cancer cell that is blighting this world. Is there a far-left group in the Labour Party? Of course there is and anyone who disagrees with that statement are just blinkered. The new Deputy Prime Minister will be Angela Raynor. God knows who will be the Labour Chancellor, Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary. The current Defence Secretary is Grant Schnapps. Has British politics ever been led by such a bunch of no-hopers, in both the Tory and Labour parties? Starmer as a PM? Jesus Christ ! Best we all strap on our seatbelts, because the next ten years promise to be full of hurt for the average person. The best and most realistic post that I have read on this forum. Shapps,Lammy,Sunak,Starmer,Phillips...I could go on, virtually no MPs with any common sense,practical experience, the vast majority of them utterly incapable of running the country, as you say total no hopers. Who or what would be your choice of government? |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 11:00:51 GMT
Starmer just on news fully supporting the action taken against the terrorists in Yemen ,
Que choruses of lefties/ Labour shouting , Not in our name
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 11:07:11 GMT
Qué?
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 11:27:35 GMT
The best and most realistic post that I have read on this forum. Shapps,Lammy,Sunak,Starmer,Phillips...I could go on, virtually no MPs with any common sense,practical experience, the vast majority of them utterly incapable of running the country, as you say total no hopers. Who or what would be your choice of government? I’m more interested who you’ll vote for , I’m expecting you to throw all your principles out the window & vote Labour I mean starmer is fully behind the Us , not your position is it Think your vote / position & many of your not Labour policy / not in our name mates will be more interesting than the election itself Labour councillor on tv has just thrown her dummy out the pram , he has to go , hilarious |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 12, 2024 11:38:53 GMT
Spell , I can’t think right at the moment , my ribs are hurting , hilarious, your leader fully behind the Us , I mean the us , Not going to plan is it oldie !!!! |
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