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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 19:48:17 GMT
"Hoover up votes" "Bogey man to blame" Etc. Theory and fair play to ya. First part you didnt quote isn't though, unless you have evidence to the contrary. What would happen if the UK left the ECHR? I am sure we are entitled to leave if wanted. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 20:08:22 GMT
First part you didnt quote isn't though, unless you have evidence to the contrary. What would happen if the UK left the ECHR? I am sure we are entitled to leave if wanted. Oh god What the hell |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 21:21:32 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 6:14:42 GMT
Human rights, introduced by Blair and Co I believe. Combined with the ECHR and the opening of the gates ( Blair and Co),it gave all the power to immigrants. We lacked the authority to deport and control our borders. We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. What you are saying is that the UK cannot deport anyone? Wow. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 7, 2024 6:47:05 GMT
We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. What you are saying is that the UK cannot deport anyone? Wow. That's not what he wrote, Cheshire said "if to do so breaks international law". |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 7:48:07 GMT
What you are saying is that the UK cannot deport anyone? Wow. That's not what he wrote, Cheshire said "if to do so breaks international law". Well, the EU are openly investigating introducing schemes the same as the Rwandan policy. Will the EU be breaking these mythical 'International Laws'? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 7, 2024 7:52:04 GMT
That's not what he wrote, Cheshire said "if to do so breaks international law". Well, the EU are openly investigating introducing schemes the same as the Rwandan policy. Will the EU be breaking these mythical 'International Laws'? You tell me, I was just pointing out that Cheshire didn't say what you thought he said. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 7, 2024 8:05:57 GMT
Human rights, introduced by Blair and Co I believe. Combined with the ECHR and the opening of the gates ( Blair and Co),it gave all the power to immigrants. We lacked the authority to deport and control our borders. We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. And that's why Starmer is a fool,and should be done for Treason given his actions against this country this week. There is a very big difference between, Immigration... 'Illegal immigration'..And Mass immigration. I've personally never had a problem with Immigration, as long as it's controlled, and benefit's British society. I believe we have crossed the line of what we need to accept, and what helps us years ago... so I want to temporary stop any immigration to this country, as we are simply now FULL! ... Illegal immigration is just that ...illegal! We don't want them here.. They have no right to be here,and we should not be forced in to accepting them, as they are illegal invaders of our country. I really don't understand how people cannot understand that..? Historically, during these state of affairs, we would be at war with people for trying to invade our country,yet due to the lefties thickness and woke politics, we are meant to welcome these criminals in, all the while importing their backward, and aggressive culture's in ours. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 7, 2024 8:48:42 GMT
We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. And that's why Starmer is a fool,and should be done for Treason given his actions against this country this week. There is a very big difference between, Immigration... 'Illegal immigration'..And Mass immigration. I've personally never had a problem with Immigration, as long as it's controlled, and benefit's British society. I believe we have crossed the line of what we need to accept, and what helps us years ago... so I want to temporary stop any immigration to this country, as we are simply now FULL! ... Illegal immigration is just that ...illegal! We don't want them here.. They have no right to be here,and we should not be forced in to accepting them, as they are illegal invaders of our country. I really don't understand how people cannot understand that..? Historically, during these state of affairs, we would be at war with people for trying to invade our country,yet due to the lefties thickness and woke politics, we are meant to welcome these criminals in, all the while importing their backward, and aggressive culture's in ours. Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 9:10:01 GMT
And that's why Starmer is a fool,and should be done for Treason given his actions against this country this week. There is a very big difference between, Immigration... 'Illegal immigration'..And Mass immigration. I've personally never had a problem with Immigration, as long as it's controlled, and benefit's British society. I believe we have crossed the line of what we need to accept, and what helps us years ago... so I want to temporary stop any immigration to this country, as we are simply now FULL! ... Illegal immigration is just that ...illegal! We don't want them here.. They have no right to be here,and we should not be forced in to accepting them, as they are illegal invaders of our country. I really don't understand how people cannot understand that..? Historically, during these state of affairs, we would be at war with people for trying to invade our country,yet due to the lefties thickness and woke politics, we are meant to welcome these criminals in, all the while importing their backward, and aggressive culture's in ours. Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? Why not tell us what is your definition of illegal immigration? You ask these "gotcha" loaded questions all the time. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 7, 2024 9:19:58 GMT
And that's why Starmer is a fool,and should be done for Treason given his actions against this country this week. There is a very big difference between, Immigration... 'Illegal immigration'..And Mass immigration. I've personally never had a problem with Immigration, as long as it's controlled, and benefit's British society. I believe we have crossed the line of what we need to accept, and what helps us years ago... so I want to temporary stop any immigration to this country, as we are simply now FULL! ... Illegal immigration is just that ...illegal! We don't want them here.. They have no right to be here,and we should not be forced in to accepting them, as they are illegal invaders of our country. I really don't understand how people cannot understand that..? Historically, during these state of affairs, we would be at war with people for trying to invade our country,yet due to the lefties thickness and woke politics, we are meant to welcome these criminals in, all the while importing their backward, and aggressive culture's in ours. Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? 1) Border.. 2) Language.. 3) Culture. If these are weakened, you lose your country. Illegal immigration does that.They have no right to be here,they are trespassing. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 7, 2024 9:42:29 GMT
Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? Why not tell us what is your definition of illegal immigration? You ask these "gotcha" loaded questions all the time. In fairness Nobby, Icegas is the one using the term I would be interested in understanding how ordinary people believe what the term means as it is banded about by many at the top. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 9:51:40 GMT
Why not tell us what is your definition of illegal immigration? You ask these "gotcha" loaded questions all the time. In fairness Nobby, Icegas is the one using the term I would be interested in understanding how ordinary people believe what the term means as it is banded about by many at the top. It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 7, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
In fairness Nobby, Icegas is the one using the term I would be interested in understanding how ordinary people believe what the term means as it is banded about by many at the top. It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. It's not as straightforward as that |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 7, 2024 10:34:18 GMT
In fairness Nobby, Icegas is the one using the term I would be interested in understanding how ordinary people believe what the term means as it is banded about by many at the top. It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. He is always trying to catch someone out by attempting to get them to say something that he can over analysis on here for his own amusement,by attempting to prove to himself that he has an superior intellect, to whoever he is questioning, and then basically branding that other person as thick. Its very passive, aggressive. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 7, 2024 10:36:52 GMT
It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. It's not as straightforward as that My crystal ball.. says it is. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 7, 2024 10:36:58 GMT
Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? 1) Border.. 2) Language.. 3) Culture. If these are weakened, you lose your country. Illegal immigration does that.They have no right to be here,they are trespassing. I understand your objections to immigration, but the impact on those definitions you raise are more impacted by the volume of people, legal and illegal, surely? So If we have ... 1.2 million visas granted by our government because of A) Skill shortages B) To maintain our higher education funding Both brought upon us after the withdrawal from the Free Movement treaty and people much closer to our culture and history .....and Upto 50,000 a year claiming refugee status from around the world Which of those two groups has the biggest impact on our borders, language and culture...do you think? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. It's not as straightforward as that So how would you define it? |
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Aug 7, 2024 10:39:25 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 10:39:25 GMT
1) Border.. 2) Language.. 3) Culture. If these are weakened, you lose your country. Illegal immigration does that.They have no right to be here,they are trespassing. I understand your objections to immigration, but the impact on those definitions you raise are more impacted by the volume of people, legal and illegal, surely? So If we have ... 1.2 million visas granted by our government because of A) Skill shortages B) To maintain our higher education funding Both brought upon us after the withdrawal from the Free Movement treaty and people much closer to our culture and history .....and Upto 50,000 a year claiming refugee status from around the world Which of those two groups has the biggest impact on our borders, language and culture...do you think? I thought we were talking about illegal immigration? |
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