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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 16:32:57 GMT
Yes I know,but the Human Rights? The two entwined. Can you explain? I don't quite follow what you are trying to say. Human rights,introduced by Blair and Co I believe.Combined with the ECHR and the opening of the gates ( Blair and Co),it gave all the power to immigrants.We lacked the authority to deport and control our borders. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... Yes I know,but the Human Rights? The two entwined. YOUR human rights are protected by the ECHR. Or are you not a believer in human rights Bas? Do you want to stand alongside Belarus and Russia without the protection of the ECHR? |
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Aug 6, 2024 16:41:01 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 16:41:01 GMT
Yes I know,but the Human Rights? The two entwined. YOUR human rights are protected by the ECHR. Or are you not a believer in human rights Bas? Do you want to stand alongside Belarus and Russia without the protection of the ECHR? 🙂 Is there no end. Chesh,don't you believe the British could'nt rewrite a few lines,but not change perhaps 95% of the current one? Of course we could and we would come up with something that enables our democratically elected Government the last word. Oh and leave the ECHR of course. Edit. Regarding the estimated 40,000,000 Britons concerned with immigration,perhaps Goo GB le eg 'how many Britons are concerned by the levels of immigration' and you find surveys and polls. I heard 80%,so I guessed that's about 40,000,000. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 16:45:01 GMT
Can you explain? I don't quite follow what you are trying to say. Human rights, introduced by Blair and Co I believe. Combined with the ECHR and the opening of the gates ( Blair and Co),it gave all the power to immigrants. We lacked the authority to deport and control our borders. We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 16:48:39 GMT
YOUR human rights are protected by the ECHR. Or are you not a believer in human rights Bas? Do you want to stand alongside Belarus and Russia without the protection of the ECHR? 🙂 Is there no end. Chesh,don't you believe the British could'nt rewrite a few lines,but not change perhaps 95% of the current one? Of course we could and we would come up with something that enables our democratically elected Government the last word. Oh and leave the ECHR of course. No we can't just change agreements that we have signed up to. We abide by the law or we leave the UN and other international agreements that we have signed up to. We would no longer be trusted as an international law abiding state. We would become a pariah state, no longer trusted to be honourable. I take it therefore with your last line that you want us to become like Belarus and Russia, untrusted. I never thought I would see the day but hey here we are. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 17:19:19 GMT
🙂 Is there no end. Chesh,don't you believe the British could'nt rewrite a few lines,but not change perhaps 95% of the current one? Of course we could and we would come up with something that enables our democratically elected Government the last word. Oh and leave the ECHR of course. No we can't just change agreements that we have signed up to. We abide by the law or we leave the UN and other international agreements that we have signed up to. We would no longer be trusted as an international law abiding state. We would become a pariah state, no longer trusted to be honourable. I take it therefore with your last line that you want us to become like Belarus and Russia, untrusted. I never thought I would see the day but hey here we are. We could leave the ECHR. I imagine we would be congratulated by some countries and plenty would be sympathetic to our reasoning. I don't believe we would be considered a "pariah state". |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 17:20:55 GMT
No we can't just change agreements that we have signed up to. We abide by the law or we leave the UN and other international agreements that we have signed up to. We would no longer be trusted as an international law abiding state. We would become a pariah state, no longer trusted to be honourable. I take it therefore with your last line that you want us to become like Belarus and Russia, untrusted. I never thought I would see the day but hey here we are. We could leave the ECHR. Should we leave FIFA? |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 17:22:41 GMT
I guess you're going to tell me if we left the ECHR,then FIFA would boot us out? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 17:28:23 GMT
I guess you're going to tell me if we left the ECHR,then FIFA would boot us out? Nope, just pointing out there are other international organisations that 'tell us what to do', so wondered if you wanted to leave them too. Nato, UN? |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 17:29:57 GMT
I guess you're going to tell me if we left the ECHR,then FIFA would boot us out? Nope, just pointing out there are other international organisations that 'tell us what to do', so wondered if you wanted to leave them too. Nato, UN? Oh I see. No ,is my answer. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 17:53:00 GMT
Nope, just pointing out there are other international organisations that 'tell us what to do', so wondered if you wanted to leave them too. Nato, UN? Oh I see. No ,is my answer. So just the ones you disagree with. As I have said before, leaving the ECHR will not give us the right to do what you want, it's just a totem for certain people to use to hoover up votes. Don't fall for it or once that's gone they'll be another bogeyman to blame. Then another, and another. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 18:02:12 GMT
Oh I see. No ,is my answer. So just the ones you disagree with. As I have said before, leaving the ECHR will not give us the right to do what you want, it's just a totem for certain people to use to hoover up votes. Don't fall for it or once that's gone they'll be another bogeyman to blame. Then another, and another. Precisely put |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 18:23:57 GMT
Oh I see. No ,is my answer. So just the ones you disagree with. As I have said before, leaving the ECHR will not give us the right to do what you want, it's just a totem for certain people to use to hoover up votes. Don't fall for it or once that's gone they'll be another bogeyman to blame. Then another, and another. That's a theory for you and one you're perfectly entitled to. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 18:38:35 GMT
So just the ones you disagree with. As I have said before, leaving the ECHR will not give us the right to do what you want, it's just a totem for certain people to use to hoover up votes. Don't fall for it or once that's gone they'll be another bogeyman to blame. Then another, and another. That's a theory for you and one you're perfectly entitled to. How do you arrive at that conclusion? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 18:41:36 GMT
So just the ones you disagree with. As I have said before, leaving the ECHR will not give us the right to do what you want, it's just a totem for certain people to use to hoover up votes. Don't fall for it or once that's gone they'll be another bogeyman to blame. Then another, and another. That's a theory for you and one you're perfectly entitled to. It's a theory based on international law rather than any political soundbites though. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 18:43:08 GMT
That's a theory for you and one you're perfectly entitled to. It's a theory based on international law rather than any political soundbites though. Another member of the lunatic fringe who clearly has no idea what he is talking about...sick |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 18:48:51 GMT
That's a theory for you and one you're perfectly entitled to. It's a theory based on international law rather than any political soundbites though. "Hoover up votes" "Bogey man to blame" Etc. Theory and fair play to ya. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 18:50:24 GMT
It's a theory based on international law rather than any political soundbites though. "Hoover up votes" "Bogey man to blame" Etc. Theory and fair play to ya. In English? |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 18:52:31 GMT
It's a theory based on international law rather than any political soundbites though. "Hoover up votes" "Bogey man to blame" Etc. Theory and fair play to ya. First part you didnt quote isn't though, unless you have evidence to the contrary. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 19:26:17 GMT
"Hoover up votes" "Bogey man to blame" Etc. Theory and fair play to ya. First part you didnt quote isn't though, unless you have evidence to the contrary. You know it's laughable |
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