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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 22:42:05 GMT
Farage wants an uprising Chesh? He's putting forward ideas to stop one if anything. He is very much more in touch with the approximate 40,000,000 Britons concerned with immigration, than our Prime Minister. Where is your evidence that 40million are concerned about immigration please? Farage is clever, using the Trump playbook. He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them. "He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! |
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Where is your evidence that 40million are concerned about immigration please? Farage is clever, using the Trump playbook. He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them. "He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Your lack of understanding exposed...again |
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"He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Your lack of understanding exposed...again No. Chesh comes across as a little paranoid concerning Farage.Just like you but not as pathetic. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 8:30:06 GMT
"He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Your lack of understanding exposed...again No Oldie. That was your exact view at the time. Please don't try to re-write history and the facts. If anything is exposed once again it is your rank hypocrisy. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 8:50:43 GMT
His name isn't Sunak, he doesn't use helicopters at the public expense. I am sure he has protection plans in place. These current riots will fade as the culprits are jailed. Most people in the UK are like those who clear up the next day not like those who loot Greggs. The British public have a low level of tolerance for violence. People will find out Farage for the puppet he is using the far right playbook of Bannon and Trump. Robinson will sneak back to Tenerife to let things calm down and is already back tracking and whining about not having privacy as even the Daily Mail, usually the supporting media of choice for the right, call him out. The British generally don't do knee capping or assassinations, especially the Scots and Welsh. They generally respect democracy. ...so theres no need for anyone to worry? Yes the riots will die down however the resentment that kicked them off will be made worse and nothing will be done to sort it out. You have mentioned kneecappings on a couple of occasions now but that was paramilitaries 'keeping order' in their areas, the Northern Ireland type violence that I mean will be bombings and possibly shootings. Once bombings start in places like Canary Wharf,mainline train stations, the actual railway system as in France, electricity grid/power stations the govt will have to take notice,i hope none of that happens or that there will not be bombings between different communities. You can be sure that Russia will offer help to all sides to try and make inter community violence worse,to destabilise the country and the population,they might encourage the bombing of arms makers factories here. I didn't say we will all be happy. People like Farage and Yaxley Lennon will continue to foment hatred although its interesting that the Daily Mail who are never usually shy about pushing the immigrant agenda have backed off a little since the riots. Who will be doing the bombings then Trymer as Bas says it's always Muslims. Spot on and agree with you totally about Russia who backed Brexit to get us out of the EU, spent a fortune in donations to the Tories and will not be happy about Starmer talking about and already having had discussions with our European cousins about greater security. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 8:56:01 GMT
Where is your evidence that 40million are concerned about immigration please? Farage is clever, using the Trump playbook. He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them. "He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 9:04:32 GMT
"He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. I posted quite a while ago that Farage was studying certain Trump techniques.Fair play and why not?Farage is also clever enough to know some things cross the pond well,but not everything. Farage is,as you say Chesh ,clever. A "clever" man leading the real Opposition. I'm pleased about that. Who do you think Starmer studies? Oh yeh,Blair. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 9:23:11 GMT
"He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 11:26:07 GMT
Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning. No it didn't. You are making it up |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 12:35:35 GMT
Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning. Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating. And what do say about Farage, Tice and others spreading disinformation and then suddenly backing away from it. Like Trump, saying oh yes, I understand while you are rioting, I 'don't agree' but if you carry on I fully understand why you do. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 12:38:47 GMT
Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. I posted quite a while ago that Farage was studying certain Trump techniques.Fair play and why not?Farage is also clever enough to know some things cross the pond well,but not everything. Farage is,as you say Chesh ,clever. A "clever" man leading the real Opposition. I'm pleased about that. Who do you think Starmer studies? Oh yeh,Blair. Even if he studied Blair. Did Blair incite people to riot, spread disinformation on social media, fail to criticise the foot soldiers outright, spout mealy mouthed words saying he understands while people riot and loot. So do you think that rioting, looting and setting fire to occupied buildings are the way to change society? |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 12:50:14 GMT
I posted quite a while ago that Farage was studying certain Trump techniques.Fair play and why not?Farage is also clever enough to know some things cross the pond well,but not everything. Farage is,as you say Chesh ,clever. A "clever" man leading the real Opposition. I'm pleased about that. Who do you think Starmer studies? Oh yeh,Blair. Even if he studied Blair. Did Blair incite people to riot, spread disinformation on social media, fail to criticise the foot soldiers outright, spout mealy mouthed words saying he understands while people riot and loot. So do you think that rioting, looting and setting fire to occupied buildings are the way to change society? Blair 'incorporated'/lined up the Human Rights bill with the ECHR and opened the gates. He has played a major role in the appalling mess the UK is in. The Conservative Government's carried this nonsense on,but Blair,Brown,Campbell and was it Mandelson have alot to answer to . Chesh,you do realise millions of Britons are concerned with immigration and Islam,don't you? Or do you think there is no real problem ,except for the Far Right? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 12:57:37 GMT
Even if he studied Blair. Did Blair incite people to riot, spread disinformation on social media, fail to criticise the foot soldiers outright, spout mealy mouthed words saying he understands while people riot and loot. So do you think that rioting, looting and setting fire to occupied buildings are the way to change society? Blair 'incorporated'/lined up the Human Rights bill with the ECHR and opened the gates. He has played a major role in the appalling mess the UK is in. The Conservative Government's carried this nonsense on,but Blair,Brown,Campbell and was it Mandelson have alot to answer to Chesh,you do realise millions of Britons are concerned with immigration and Islam,don't you? Or do you think there is no real problem ,except for the Far Right? You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 13:09:25 GMT
Blair 'incorporated'/lined up the Human Rights bill with the ECHR and opened the gates. He has played a major role in the appalling mess the UK is in. The Conservative Government's carried this nonsense on,but Blair,Brown,Campbell and was it Mandelson have alot to answer to Chesh,you do realise millions of Britons are concerned with immigration and Islam,don't you? Or do you think there is no real problem ,except for the Far Right? You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... Honestly Cheshire, it's not worth it |
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Blair 'incorporated'/lined up the Human Rights bill with the ECHR and opened the gates. He has played a major role in the appalling mess the UK is in. The Conservative Government's carried this nonsense on,but Blair,Brown,Campbell and was it Mandelson have alot to answer to Chesh,you do realise millions of Britons are concerned with immigration and Islam,don't you? Or do you think there is no real problem ,except for the Far Right? You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... He won't, chalk it up as a debating point proven. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 13:24:36 GMT
You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... He won't, chalk it up as a debating point proven. Precisely |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 13:28:58 GMT
and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning. Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating. And what do say about Farage, Tice and others spreading disinformation and then suddenly backing away from it. Like Trump, saying oh yes, I understand while you are rioting, I 'don't agree' but if you carry on I fully understand why you do. "Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating." - Really Terry, have you forgotten the Police van set alight with Police Officers inside it? Yes, this happened outside Bridewell. Thank God nobody was killed. And yes, Oldie did say he disagreed with the violence but he understood why it was happening, just as you suggest Trump did. Farage and Tice spreading false information? Just point out what false information they have been spreading. I keep hearing about it but I haven't actually seen any. It appears that if anyone asks any questions, then they are accused of inflamming the situation. In reality it is just an attempt to shut down free speech and for the authorities to avoid those questions. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 13:47:55 GMT
Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating. And what do say about Farage, Tice and others spreading disinformation and then suddenly backing away from it. Like Trump, saying oh yes, I understand while you are rioting, I 'don't agree' but if you carry on I fully understand why you do. "Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating." - Really Terry, have you forgotten the Police van set alight with Police Officers inside it? Yes, this happened outside Bridewell. Thank God nobody was killed. And yes, Oldie did say he disagreed with the violence but he understood why it was happening, just as you suggest Trump did. Farage and Tice spreading false information? Just point out what false information they have been spreading. I keep hearing about it but I haven't actually seen any. It appears that if anyone asks any questions, then they are accused of inflamming the situation. In reality it is just an attempt to shut down free speech and for the authorities to avoid those questions. I don't understand what you are trying to taint me with here and I am at a disadvantage because I don't recall my exact wording. But I do recall my reaction to the "Kill the Bill" protests. I supported them as I believed, still do, that the bill was an affront to our right to assemble and protest. I supported the protesters in exercising their right to highlight the terrible clauses in that bill. To no avail of course as it is now on the statute book. Careful now folks not to whistle too loudly. What I did not support, despite Nobby saying I did on more than one occasion, was the violence against the police and property. Firstly I deplore violence as a form of protest (cue Nobby saying what about when you were 17 🥱) But equally because it detracts from the main argument and provides an outlet for this you disagree with. So perhaps Nobby will refrain now |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 15:17:17 GMT
Blair 'incorporated'/lined up the Human Rights bill with the ECHR and opened the gates. He has played a major role in the appalling mess the UK is in. The Conservative Government's carried this nonsense on,but Blair,Brown,Campbell and was it Mandelson have alot to answer to Chesh,you do realise millions of Britons are concerned with immigration and Islam,don't you? Or do you think there is no real problem ,except for the Far Right? You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... Yes I know,but the Human Rights? The two entwined. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 6, 2024 16:20:46 GMT
You do realise that the ECHR has been in a place since the end of the last war and this country of ours played a major part in establishing it. You still haven't provided a link to the 40million.... Yes I know,but the Human Rights? The two entwined. Can you explain? I don't quite follow what you are trying to say. |
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