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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 12:29:51 GMT
Oops Supreme Court says no. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 15, 2023 17:16:56 GMT
Oops Supreme Court says no. 😂😂😂😂 The issue is that it's not illegal, but that the court feels that Rwanda is not a designated 'safe country'. In other news, Austria and Italy are also looking to deport illegal immigrants in the same way, and the EU are considering a plan to move them to Albania ! It seems as though the idea is catching on. "European Union In early November, Italy said it would build two centres to host up to 36,000 migrants per year in Albania. The centres, one on the coast for identification and another inland for detention, would be paid for in full by Italy and operate under its jurisdiction, meaning they would be covered by European Union asylum rules. Meloni said the Albanian facilities should be operational in spring 2024, but the European Commission has yet to say whether the initiative is in line with EU law. Migration experts say the Italian plan seemed to be different from Britain's Rwanda deal since people in Albania are protected by the European Convention on Human Rights. Austria and Germany have also considered plans to process asylum seekers abroad. The European Union indirectly supports offshore asylum programmes as part of broader efforts to stop refugees coming across the Mediterranean. The bloc has paid Turkey billions of dollars to keep refugees from reaching Greece and has funded the Libyan Coast Guard, which pushes migrant boats bound for Europe back to North Africa. It is also helping to fund U.N.-run centres in Niger and Rwanda to process asylum seekers." Other countries who deport illegal immigrants
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 20:26:07 GMT
Oops Supreme Court says no. 😂😂😂😂 The issue is that it's not illegal, but that the court feels that Rwanda is not a designated 'safe country'. In other news, Austria and Italy are also looking to deport illegal immigrants in the same way, and the EU are considering a plan to move them to Albania ! It seems as though the idea is catching on. "European Union In early November, Italy said it would build two centres to host up to 36,000 migrants per year in Albania. The centres, one on the coast for identification and another inland for detention, would be paid for in full by Italy and operate under its jurisdiction, meaning they would be covered by European Union asylum rules. Meloni said the Albanian facilities should be operational in spring 2024, but the European Commission has yet to say whether the initiative is in line with EU law. Migration experts say the Italian plan seemed to be different from Britain's Rwanda deal since people in Albania are protected by the European Convention on Human Rights. Austria and Germany have also considered plans to process asylum seekers abroad. The European Union indirectly supports offshore asylum programmes as part of broader efforts to stop refugees coming across the Mediterranean. The bloc has paid Turkey billions of dollars to keep refugees from reaching Greece and has funded the Libyan Coast Guard, which pushes migrant boats bound for Europe back to North Africa. It is also helping to fund U.N.-run centres in Niger and Rwanda to process asylum seekers." Other countries who deport illegal immigrantsAll of that, but this is about the incompetence of our Government. With all the resources they could ever need they still pressed ahead whilst being aware that under current legislation the Supreme Court would find against them. In the interim reports say we, us, the taxpayers, have pi**ed £140million up against the whilst deporting nobody, not one, zilch, to Rwanda. Still, the absolute Loony Braverman was moved on, exposed as not being able to run a cockle stall on Weston Beach whilst shouting fascist rhetoric. But in the Cabinet we now have the dishonourable David Cameron, he who led a government that so damaged our public services, doubled the national debt and worked for and took money from a dodgy company that has since gone bankrupt. Ahh...the Tories and their supporters.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 15, 2023 23:21:34 GMT
The issue is that it's not illegal, but that the court feels that Rwanda is not a designated 'safe country'. In other news, Austria and Italy are also looking to deport illegal immigrants in the same way, and the EU are considering a plan to move them to Albania ! It seems as though the idea is catching on. "European Union In early November, Italy said it would build two centres to host up to 36,000 migrants per year in Albania. The centres, one on the coast for identification and another inland for detention, would be paid for in full by Italy and operate under its jurisdiction, meaning they would be covered by European Union asylum rules. Meloni said the Albanian facilities should be operational in spring 2024, but the European Commission has yet to say whether the initiative is in line with EU law. Migration experts say the Italian plan seemed to be different from Britain's Rwanda deal since people in Albania are protected by the European Convention on Human Rights. Austria and Germany have also considered plans to process asylum seekers abroad. The European Union indirectly supports offshore asylum programmes as part of broader efforts to stop refugees coming across the Mediterranean. The bloc has paid Turkey billions of dollars to keep refugees from reaching Greece and has funded the Libyan Coast Guard, which pushes migrant boats bound for Europe back to North Africa. It is also helping to fund U.N.-run centres in Niger and Rwanda to process asylum seekers." Other countries who deport illegal immigrantsAll of that, but this is about the incompetence of our Government. With all the resources they could ever need they still pressed ahead whilst being aware that under current legislation the Supreme Court would find against them. In the interim reports say we, us, the taxpayers, have pi**ed £140million up against the whilst deporting nobody, not one, zilch, to Rwanda. Still, the absolute Loony Braverman was moved on, exposed as not being able to run a cockle stall on Weston Beach whilst shouting fascist rhetoric. But in the Cabinet we now have the dishonourable David Cameron, he who led a government that so damaged our public services, doubled the national debt and worked for and took money from a dodgy company that has since gone bankrupt. Ahh...the Tories and their supporters. So, no comment that the EU and the UN also deport illegal immigrants to third party countries?
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Post by oldie on Nov 16, 2023 8:44:38 GMT
All of that, but this is about the incompetence of our Government. With all the resources they could ever need they still pressed ahead whilst being aware that under current legislation the Supreme Court would find against them. In the interim reports say we, us, the taxpayers, have pi**ed £140million up against the whilst deporting nobody, not one, zilch, to Rwanda. Still, the absolute Loony Braverman was moved on, exposed as not being able to run a cockle stall on Weston Beach whilst shouting fascist rhetoric. But in the Cabinet we now have the dishonourable David Cameron, he who led a government that so damaged our public services, doubled the national debt and worked for and took money from a dodgy company that has since gone bankrupt. Ahh...the Tories and their supporters. So, no comment that the EU and the UN also deport illegal immigrants to third party countries? I believe it has been found legal to deport refugees who fail the immigration process. We, all of us, could argue about the morality of that (we are talking refugees not economic migrants) but let's talk about the Supreme Court decision. The fundamental point they concluded upon was whether the Government could deport people to a country which they could not prove to be safe for those people. That clause is within our legislation. Nothing to do with what other countries do or don't do. My point is the Government had to have been aware, surely, that to define Rwanda as a "safe" country was going to be challenged? Just because the Government SAID it was safe does not make it so, the Supreme Court decided, unanimously, that it was not. £140 million later.... As I type this I have listened to the illustrious James Cleverly in an hilarious interview stating that the Government will pass emergency legislation STATING that Rwanda is in fact safe and a new treaty between the UK and Rwanda would make it so. Cannot wait for linguistic gymnastics that will entail. But more disturbing is that we have a democratically elected Government (sort of) openly seeking to defy the Supreme Court. How quickly we forget, at our peril, one of the fundamental pillars of our democracy, the separation of the executive and the judiciary. Unable to get their own way this morally bankrupt, technically incompetent group of people in the Tory Party are very willing to undermine our democracy to maintain power by appealling to the lowest common denominator amongst the people of the UK.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 16, 2023 9:26:02 GMT
The EU & UN seem to think Rwanda is a safe country as they have EU funded, UN-run refugee centres there !
"will pass emergency legislation STATING that Rwanda is in fact safe and a new treaty between the UK and Rwanda would make it so." - Ah, but you were happy for the Labour government at the time to foist the 'Lisbon Treaty' onto the UK public as it was a "treaty" and therefore would not require a referendum! The original 'EU Constitution' would have required a referendum, but by changing the wording to 'treaty' they were able to implement it without approval from the public. Your rants about democracy ring just a mite hollow.
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Post by oldie on Nov 16, 2023 12:11:44 GMT
The EU & UN seem to think Rwanda is a safe country as they have EU funded, UN-run refugee centres there ! "will pass emergency legislation STATING that Rwanda is in fact safe and a new treaty between the UK and Rwanda would make it so." - Ah, but you were happy for the Labour government at the time to foist the 'Lisbon Treaty' onto the UK public as it was a "treaty" and therefore would not require a referendum! The original 'EU Constitution' would have required a referendum, but by changing the wording to 'treaty' they were able to implement it without approval from the public. Your rants about democracy ring just a mite hollow. The Government's own immigration act of this year specifically refers to safe countries for deportation. The Supreme Court, after assessing all the evidence put to them in an appeal by the Government deemed Rwanda to not be safe for the purposes of deportations. They used the laws on the Statute Book upon which to make that judgement. I repeat, it's a dark day in hell when the four pillars of Parliamentary democracy, that is the separation of powers between a) the legislature, b) the executive, c) the judiciary and d) freedom of the press Are trampled on by our, ummm..."government" Hello, Suella....
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 16, 2023 14:14:13 GMT
"Are trampled on by our, ummm..."government"" - I repeat, you were happy to have a Labour Government ignore democracy by signing the "Lisbon Treaty" which was just the re-named "EU Constitution" ! I didn't hear you calling out it was a "dark day in hell" when that happened!
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Post by oldie on Nov 16, 2023 19:26:55 GMT
"Are trampled on by our, ummm..."government"" - I repeat, you were happy to have a Labour Government ignore democracy by signing the "Lisbon Treaty" which was just the re-named "EU Constitution" ! I didn't hear you calling out it was a "dark day in hell" when that happened! What?? We deported our own people to Portugal? Who knew? What is it about that Treaty that disturbs you so much? Was it "Subsidiarity"
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Post by oldie on Nov 17, 2023 11:23:35 GMT
Braverman going full " " in her latest utterances, was met with this riposte from within her own party today. "It’s not just all our own laws passed by parliament, and all international treaties that we have signed, that Suella wants to sweep away. She specifically says let’s sweep away all judicial review protection, and all common law protections, and that’s why I said on Twitter that this is the most unconservative proposal I have ever heard. Conservatives believe in a democratic country run by the rule of law. And dictators, Xi and Putin, would prefer to have the state completely untrammelled by any law. And so, as a democrat I oppose it." Well said Mr Green. But of her words will appeal to the frothing at the mouth nationalist loonies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 21:51:27 GMT
As a parliamentary democracy, we don't have separation of powers between the legislature and the executive in this country. The executive are drawn from the legislature, and in turn set the legislatory agenda, and legislate. You need a separately elected executive to separate the two. Like an executive President, or executive council, for example.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 21, 2023 18:43:49 GMT
Rwanda v1 and the proposed Rwanda v2 deportation policies are both very silly, unworkable and expensive. Labour doesn't have a policy on immigration. Or anything come to that.
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Post by oldie on Nov 21, 2023 19:15:24 GMT
Rwanda v1 and the proposed Rwanda v2 deportation policies are both very silly, unworkable and expensive. Labour doesn't have a policy on immigration. Or anything come to that. One part of that is correct 😁
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Post by oldie on Dec 8, 2023 8:34:11 GMT
It gets worse...
"Rishi Sunak is facing fresh pressure over his Rwanda policy after it emerged the scheme has already cost £240m, despite never being used.
The government spent a further £100m in the 2023-24 financial year while flights remained grounded amid a series of legal setbacks - on top of the £140m previously paid out.
According to a letter from the Home Office to committee chairs, ministers expect additional costs of £50m in the coming year, which would bring the total to £290m"
Jesus F Christ, p*ss up and brewery comes to mind. This is our money don't forget. How could anyone vote for these people?
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 14:00:02 GMT
Good too see Rwanda policy go through , tories stepped upto the plate , lefties embarrassed themselves with there wrecking amendment, for a supposed goverment in waiting you’d of thought they’d of acted like the adults in the room , but no , not a clue , no plan , nothing of substance from them Might as well be honest & just admit what we already know , open borders , mass migration when they get in , no thought for how this will affectthe poorer , working class people , wages suppressed, can’t afford houses etc etc
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 14:00:41 GMT
Good too see Rwanda policy go through , tories stepped upto the plate , lefties embarrassed themselves with there wrecking amendment, for a supposed goverment in waiting you’d of thought they’d of acted like the adults in the room , but no , not a clue , no plan , nothing of substance from them Might as well be honest & just admit what we already know , open borders , mass migration when they get in , no thought for how this will affectthe poorer , working class people , wages suppressed, can’t afford houses etc etc
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 17:28:28 GMT
Labour Party mp saying there looking at offshore processing of asylum claims in turkey / Greece & France , I believe David lammy said he’d been too Greece with stammer , stammer had talks with macron , not sure where turkey comes from But did say it’s just something amongst many things there looking at , they want to reduce migration from hundreds of thousands too tens of thousands , train our own people Like the tens of thousand & training our own people , but my suspicions are it’s just talk to win the election , then you’ll see millions flooding into this country , open borders
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 17:48:52 GMT
Forget France , apparently far left / far right voted against macrons migration bill , defeated it , got enough issues of his own too worry about us
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Post by oldie on Dec 14, 2023 0:16:39 GMT
Good too see Rwanda policy go through , tories stepped upto the plate , lefties embarrassed themselves with there wrecking amendment, for a supposed goverment in waiting you’d of thought they’d of acted like the adults in the room , but no , not a clue , no plan , nothing of substance from them Might as well be honest & just admit what we already know , open borders , mass migration when they get in , no thought for how this will affectthe poorer , working class people , wages suppressed, can’t afford houses etc etc 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by oldie on Dec 15, 2023 10:35:38 GMT
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