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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 22, 2023 19:51:05 GMT
Good post up until the final paragraph which I find kind of oxymoronic. you calling me a moron? in the context of asking how do you take yourself to the next level, the last paragraph makes some sense, as there are case studies to learn from - we don’t have to “reinvent a Wael” at all. Unless “reinvent the Wael” actually is an oxymoron - like to achieve organised chaos from disorganised chaos. No wonder you don’t understand, the Emperor’s analysis of the situation is on a different level than all you plēbēius can keep up with. Flawed back story though Magnan has, would swapping him out for Taylor be another “cocko” + “masterplan” moment? His infectious energy and enthusiasm is working on the dressing room. Bigger challenges to come, and time will tell us more. Why not pause on the manager search and give him that time? 😛 No definitely not. If you exchange “Twerton days” for “years when we didn’t have our own ground and were sharing with non-league Bath City” I think my statement holds. You are still brilliant though. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 22, 2023 21:43:35 GMT
the 19th place thing lines up with my recollection weren't we in about 3rd after his little meltdown at Ipswich - which I think was just before Christmas (it was quite cold) - after which he departed, so he had about a year in the job? We were 4th when GC left and ended up in 14th place but IMO the notion that he deserted us is a myth. He was hastily given a 2 1/2 year contract and after stabilizing the team in 2018/19 GC might have reasonably expected to be supported in 2019/20 summer transfer dealings but that didn’t happen with many more players leaving than came in. Apparently Wael had decided he wasn’t “ his kind of manager” but whether or not GC knew Ben Garner was being groomed to take over he certainly had good reason to feel frustrated. The myth about attendances being lower in 2019/20 because of GC’s style of football was, IMO, deliberately put about to justify what happened and is also false. After GC took over from DC in 2018/19 attendances actually increased so there were no complaints about the style of football then. But right from the opening game of the 2019/20 season attendances were lower and when this subject was discussed on here previously it was speculated that the reason was because Gasheads were disillusioned by the poor summer recruitment. If we look back now at what was happening at the start of the 2019/20 season the real reason for the Coughlan departure becomes clearer. Hani was trying to sell the club and all spending was coming under close scrutiny. Wael wasn’t keen on GC and knew he would continue to press for more support in the January window so Tony Pulis’s suggestion that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands and could recruit relatively cheap players fell on very fertile ground. All that was needed was to bring GC to breaking point, make it known that his style of football was unsatisfactory and then sell Gasheads on the supposed new philosophy with a topping of special Rovers’ DNA thrown in for good measure. That makes so much more sense than anything else I have heard about why GC went. I think there were quite a few on here who were quite vocal about the football we were playing. I liked it as he made us incredibly hard to beat and we were developing a lovely habit of winning games that we had no right to. This culminated in a brilliant afternoon where we comprehensively outplayed Ipswich and the ref despite Ollie Clarke’s ludicrous red card. I remember the players coming in to Membury, chatting to them all, having no idea what had happened and being genuinely stunned by it all the following day after the best away performance I’d seen from a Rovers side in over 50 years of watching us. Benny was an utter disaster and would have been out of his depth in a puddle |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 22, 2023 21:47:47 GMT
I didn't think GC was much my 'kind of manager' either, but having succeeded in his first mission, then exceeding expectation in his first full season; by the point of his departure (having also not comitted any misconduct) GC should have been supported all the way by the board and supporters alike, myself included, and I'm sorry for not. Nobody should dictate terms to the club, but the board ought to have been reversing GC's threatened resignation, sincerely asking what he needed to stay. “I didn't think GC was much my 'kind of manager' either,” he was mine. We were unbeaten for ages and 4th! Mine too. I love us winning. Especially when we win ugly |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 22, 2023 21:58:53 GMT
Will be underwhelmed with any of the names currently being bandied about. Would love Graham Potter (in my dreams) and would be happy with the Cowleys but they must be Lincoln bound. Mangan is doing a reasonable job I think and is buying us time to make the right appointment. Would not be a bad shout to leave him in place till the end of the year with a carrot of a 2 year deal if both parties like how this season has gone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 22:17:43 GMT
I'd rather win pretty than win ugly, bit first I'd rather win. Those who understood the whole paragraph (not bloody Romans who read only the first phrase) already know that while GC wasn't my kind of manager, I learned to appreciate him and wish his resignation had been neither engineered nor accepted. His first full season could have been historic, had he remained. I'm a convert.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 22, 2023 22:44:26 GMT
I'd rather win pretty than win ugly, bit first I'd rather win. Those who understood the whole paragraph (not bloody Romans who read only the first phrase) already know that while GC wasn't my kind of manager, I learned to appreciate him and wish his resignation had been neither engineered nor accepted. His first full season could have been historic, had he remained. I'm a convert. Nihil est miserum nisi cum putes; contraque beata sors omnis est aequanimitate tolerantis. |
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Post by JeffNZ on Nov 23, 2023 8:27:32 GMT
I'd rather win pretty than win ugly, bit first I'd rather win. Those who understood the whole paragraph (not bloody Romans who read only the first phrase) already know that while GC wasn't my kind of manager, I learned to appreciate him and wish his resignation had been neither engineered nor accepted. His first full season could have been historic, had he remained. I'm a convert. Nihil est miserum nisi cum putes; contraque beata sors omnis est aequanimitate tolerantis. I used Google Translate to get the English version of that phrase. Then I realised I didn't understand some of the English words in the translation... so I gave up. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 23, 2023 9:13:52 GMT
Surely press conference today to announce stand being finished by boxing day and Pompey fans will get the majority of the seats?
Plus a statement saying no suitable candidate found to manage the team so by default the caretaker becomes interim manager.
Plus news on the new revised Santa's grotto ready for Cheltenham Town match on 9th December and the details of the 140th anniversary event being staged that day by the Bristol Rovers History Group.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 23, 2023 9:30:17 GMT
Nihil est miserum nisi cum putes; contraque beata sors omnis est aequanimitate tolerantis. I used Google Translate to get the English version of that phrase. Then I realised I didn't understand some of the English words in the translation... so I gave up. Nothing is miserable unless you think it so; and on the other hand, nothing brings happiness unless you are content with it. Latin: Nihil est miserum nisi cum putes; contraque beata sors omnis est aequanimitate tolerantis. – Boethius |
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 24, 2023 14:49:51 GMT
In case anyone was wondering why I was saying 'It'll Be Interesting To See Who They Eventually Appoint' here is the reference from 1985.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 24, 2023 15:08:14 GMT
In case anyone was wondering why I was saying 'It'll Be Interesting To See Who They Eventually Appoint' here is the reference from 1985. Thanks for posting Bamber. How times haven’t changed ! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 20:15:38 GMT
In case anyone was wondering why I was saying 'It'll Be Interesting To See Who They Eventually Appoint' here is the reference from 1985. Thanks for posting Bamber. How times haven’t changed ! Gets on yer pips dun it. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 25, 2023 20:04:51 GMT
After this length of time surely incoming manager on Monday morning
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Post by JeffNZ on Nov 26, 2023 7:17:51 GMT
After this length of time surely incoming manager on Monday morning You'd really hope so, it's taking far too long which suggests: 1. No suitable managers out there and we're not willing to pay compensation for a currently employed manager 2. The one/s we do want are too expensive for us 3. The one/s we want don't want us 4. No one wants us 5. They're giving Mangan x number of games to prove himself 6. We are negotiating with a 'big name' manager  7. The preferred candidate only speaks Klingon and they're looking for a qualified translator. ... anything I've missed? |
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Post by chelt_gas on Nov 26, 2023 7:20:46 GMT
Or our target manager is only available at the end of the season whilst Mangan want at least a 1.5 year deal
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 26, 2023 9:08:47 GMT
Or our target manager is only available at the end of the season whilst Mangan want at least a 1.5 year deal Would that be to coincide with JB getting a new job after his enforced tax break 😊 |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 26, 2023 10:03:26 GMT
After this length of time surely incoming manager on Monday morning You'd really hope so, it's taking far too long which suggests: 1. No suitable managers out there and we're not willing to pay compensation for a currently employed manager 2. The one/s we do want are too expensive for us 3. The one/s we want don't want us 4. No one wants us 5. They're giving Mangan x number of games to prove himself 6. We are negotiating with a 'big name' manager 7. The preferred candidate only speaks Klingon and they're looking for a qualified translator. ... anything I've missed? New owners just wanted the previous manager out the door ASAP. Thank god. Whilst Mangan is doing an OK job (sounds like we were a bit unlucky yesterday), I'm fairly happy to keep him for an extended trial period. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 26, 2023 11:10:39 GMT
You'd really hope so, it's taking far too long which suggests: 1. No suitable managers out there and we're not willing to pay compensation for a currently employed manager 2. The one/s we do want are too expensive for us 3. The one/s we want don't want us 4. No one wants us 5. They're giving Mangan x number of games to prove himself 6. We are negotiating with a 'big name' manager 7. The preferred candidate only speaks Klingon and they're looking for a qualified translator. ... anything I've missed? New owners just wanted the previous manager out the door ASAP. Thank god. Whilst Mangan is doing an OK job (sounds like we were a bit unlucky yesterday), I'm fairly happy to keep him for an extended trial period. Me too. We are picking up enough points to comfortably stay clear of trouble and play off tilt whilst unlikely is not totally out of the question. No need to rush imho unless the right person becomes available. In the meantime Mangan gets a chance to show if he is that person and in the background we can sound out our preferred candidate(s) |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 27, 2023 15:25:32 GMT
Is this the longest amount of time we've gone continuing with a caretaker manager?
....or any club for that matter?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 15:36:56 GMT
Is this the longest amount of time we've gone continuing with a caretaker manager? ....or any club for that matter? It still hasn't been announced that Ray Graydon has left the club.  |
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