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Post by swissgas on Nov 19, 2023 18:51:48 GMT
the 19th place thing lines up with my recollection weren't we in about 3rd after his little meltdown at Ipswich - which I think was just before Christmas (it was quite cold) - after which he departed, so he had about a year in the job? We were 4th when GC left and ended up in 14th place but IMO the notion that he deserted us is a myth. He was hastily given a 2 1/2 year contract and after stabilizing the team in 2018/19 GC might have reasonably expected to be supported in 2019/20 summer transfer dealings but that didn’t happen with many more players leaving than came in. Apparently Wael had decided he wasn’t “ his kind of manager” but whether or not GC knew Ben Garner was being groomed to take over he certainly had good reason to feel frustrated. The myth about attendances being lower in 2019/20 because of GC’s style of football was, IMO, deliberately put about to justify what happened and is also false. After GC took over from DC in 2018/19 attendances actually increased so there were no complaints about the style of football then. But right from the opening game of the 2019/20 season attendances were lower and when this subject was discussed on here previously it was speculated that the reason was because Gasheads were disillusioned by the poor summer recruitment. If we look back now at what was happening at the start of the 2019/20 season the real reason for the Coughlan departure becomes clearer. Hani was trying to sell the club and all spending was coming under close scrutiny. Wael wasn’t keen on GC and knew he would continue to press for more support in the January window so Tony Pulis’s suggestion that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands and could recruit relatively cheap players fell on very fertile ground. All that was needed was to bring GC to breaking point, make it known that his style of football was unsatisfactory and then sell Gasheads on the supposed new philosophy with a topping of special Rovers’ DNA thrown in for good measure. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 21:10:19 GMT
I didn't think GC was much my 'kind of manager' either, but having succeeded in his first mission, then exceeding expectation in his first full season; by the point of his departure (having also not comitted any misconduct) GC should have been supported all the way by the board and supporters alike, myself included, and I'm sorry for not. Nobody should dictate terms to the club, but the board ought to have been reversing GC's threatened resignation, sincerely asking what he needed to stay.
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Post by chelt_gas on Nov 19, 2023 22:44:10 GMT
It’ll be unfair to mangan not to offer him the job after a certain length of time. Or to only offer him the job on the basis that they couldn’t find someone else.
Does anyone know the extent of his coaching qualifications?
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 20, 2023 0:32:30 GMT
Madness to offer him the job based on a few positive results, I would keep him as interim manager then give him until January to prove his worth.
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 20, 2023 8:10:29 GMT
Defeats at Derby and Crewe might bring into focus that we need a Tsylor or Harris type experienced manager/coach
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 20, 2023 9:17:27 GMT
Nice post from the Swissmeister there...
What I would add would be: every one of GC signings made positive contribution, so I know he had a recruitment scouting staff that was later outed, but all the signings GC brought on board were very good.
Not even DC, the most revered manager in recent history can boast that.
We sung our way out of Portman Road with that very potent virtue that a generation hadn't felt before. Belief. Belief we had a genuine real chance to be playing championship football again.
I think Wael had BG in his sights straight after DC removal, but just couldn't ignore the upturn in results and league table GC brought unexpectedly, so had to put it off....as I posted in contemporary times, the appointment of BG set us back years as has been proven as it looks like another year at least where we'll reach up to 4th and beyond.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 20, 2023 9:19:35 GMT
Defeats at Derby and Crewe might bring into focus that we need a Tsylor or Harris type experienced manager/coach Every manager loses. It's the nature of the loss and how you react to it that count. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 20, 2023 10:46:40 GMT
Defeats at Derby and Crewe might bring into focus that we need a Tsylor or Harris type experienced manager/coach Every manager loses. It's the nature of the loss and how you react to it that count. But they don’t all have the dress sense of BG 😹 |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 20, 2023 19:46:18 GMT
the 19th place thing lines up with my recollection weren't we in about 3rd after his little meltdown at Ipswich - which I think was just before Christmas (it was quite cold) - after which he departed, so he had about a year in the job? We were 4th when GC left and ended up in 14th place but IMO the notion that he deserted us is a myth. He was hastily given a 2 1/2 year contract and after stabilizing the team in 2018/19 GC might have reasonably expected to be supported in 2019/20 summer transfer dealings but that didn’t happen with many more players leaving than came in. Apparently Wael had decided he wasn’t “ his kind of manager” but whether or not GC knew Ben Garner was being groomed to take over he certainly had good reason to feel frustrated. The myth about attendances being lower in 2019/20 because of GC’s style of football was, IMO, deliberately put about to justify what happened and is also false. After GC took over from DC in 2018/19 attendances actually increased so there were no complaints about the style of football then. But right from the opening game of the 2019/20 season attendances were lower and when this subject was discussed on here previously it was speculated that the reason was because Gasheads were disillusioned by the poor summer recruitment. If we look back now at what was happening at the start of the 2019/20 season the real reason for the Coughlan departure becomes clearer. Hani was trying to sell the club and all spending was coming under close scrutiny. Wael wasn’t keen on GC and knew he would continue to press for more support in the January window so Tony Pulis’s suggestion that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands and could recruit relatively cheap players fell on very fertile ground. All that was needed was to bring GC to breaking point, make it known that his style of football was unsatisfactory and then sell Gasheads on the supposed new philosophy with a topping of special Rovers’ DNA thrown in for good measure. “that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands‘ Wait. But players did come in? How much did the club fork out to bring the surreal potential of Josh Barrel from the Championship? Six figures? And what were the sort of contracts and wages being committed to in the Garner Ball era? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 20, 2023 19:48:05 GMT
I didn't think GC was much my 'kind of manager' either, but having succeeded in his first mission, then exceeding expectation in his first full season; by the point of his departure (having also not comitted any misconduct) GC should have been supported all the way by the board and supporters alike, myself included, and I'm sorry for not. Nobody should dictate terms to the club, but the board ought to have been reversing GC's threatened resignation, sincerely asking what he needed to stay. “I didn't think GC was much my 'kind of manager' either,” he was mine. We were unbeaten for ages and 4th! |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 20, 2023 20:17:04 GMT
We were 4th when GC left and ended up in 14th place but IMO the notion that he deserted us is a myth. He was hastily given a 2 1/2 year contract and after stabilizing the team in 2018/19 GC might have reasonably expected to be supported in 2019/20 summer transfer dealings but that didn’t happen with many more players leaving than came in. Apparently Wael had decided he wasn’t “ his kind of manager” but whether or not GC knew Ben Garner was being groomed to take over he certainly had good reason to feel frustrated. The myth about attendances being lower in 2019/20 because of GC’s style of football was, IMO, deliberately put about to justify what happened and is also false. After GC took over from DC in 2018/19 attendances actually increased so there were no complaints about the style of football then. But right from the opening game of the 2019/20 season attendances were lower and when this subject was discussed on here previously it was speculated that the reason was because Gasheads were disillusioned by the poor summer recruitment. If we look back now at what was happening at the start of the 2019/20 season the real reason for the Coughlan departure becomes clearer. Hani was trying to sell the club and all spending was coming under close scrutiny. Wael wasn’t keen on GC and knew he would continue to press for more support in the January window so Tony Pulis’s suggestion that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands and could recruit relatively cheap players fell on very fertile ground. All that was needed was to bring GC to breaking point, make it known that his style of football was unsatisfactory and then sell Gasheads on the supposed new philosophy with a topping of special Rovers’ DNA thrown in for good measure. “that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands‘ Wait. But players did come in? How much did the club fork out to bring the surreal potential of Josh Barrel from the Championship? Six figures? And what were the sort of contracts and wages being committed to in the Garner Ball era? Six figures being £1234.56? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 21:39:29 GMT
Read the whole paragraph, friends.
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Post by Delsy on Nov 21, 2023 12:52:42 GMT
I wonder if Neil Warnock will be considered ? not that I know that he would want the job but I believe he does have a house in the South West all be it in the Tamar Valley ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 13:09:03 GMT
I wonder if Neil Warnock will be considered ? not that I know that he would want the job but I believe he does have a house in the South West all be it in the Tamar Valley ? Not sure he fits in the with young aspiring coach criteria. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 21, 2023 16:19:32 GMT
“that Garner wouldn’t make many financial demands‘ Wait. But players did come in? How much did the club fork out to bring the surreal potential of Josh Barrel from the Championship? Six figures? And what were the sort of contracts and wages being committed to in the Garner Ball era? Six figures being £1234.56? that wouldn’t even cover his weekly wage. if you think of the amount of money in that period. Already in work, Cocko struck an agreement on what was owed. But then the garner team/ master plan was assembled, Garner paid off, Tisdale paid off, the master plan team wholly changed by Barton. All the money involved in that period, wasted? Could it have been put to better use? The only thing really wrong in terms of a solid team that wouldn’t go down was Lockyer and Craig leaving for nothing and not replaced. “Wanting to take things in a different direction” cost the club a whole heap of money. Meanwhile Wycombe enjoyed all the fun of a promotion season and season at tier 2 sticking with football the Ainsworth/cocko way. Take a look at these teams winning big matches for us in close succession www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50696305 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50356060 Did it clearly need ripping up? Does a club really need to recruit and pay wages only for the championship in mind, and switch to tiki taka football to enjoy all the fun of a promotion season and staying up in tier 2? Is that the proper way to manage a club, burning money? Since Clarke got us to 8th in 2018, Bristol Rovers owners have not owned the club very well at all. Back in Twerton days, we were bigger club than Swansea, Bournemouth, Luton, and many others settled in the top two tiers today. |
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 21, 2023 20:48:17 GMT
Six figures being £1234.56? that wouldn’t even cover his weekly wage. if you think of the amount of money in that period. Already in work, Cocko struck an agreement on what was owed. But then the garner team/ master plan was assembled, Garner paid off, Tisdale paid off, the master plan team wholly changed by Barton. All the money involved in that period, wasted? Could it have been put to better use? The only thing really wrong in terms of a solid team that wouldn’t go down was Lockyer and Craig leaving for nothing and not replaced. “Wanting to take things in a different direction” cost the club a whole heap of money. Meanwhile Wycombe enjoyed all the fun of a promotion season and season at tier 2 sticking with football the Ainsworth/cocko way. Take a look at these teams winning big matches for us in close succession www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50696305 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50356060 Did it clearly need ripping up? Does a club really need to recruit and pay wages only for the championship in mind, and switch to tiki taka football to enjoy all the fun of a promotion season and staying up in tier 2? Is that the proper way to manage a club, burning money? Since Clarke got us to 8th in 2018, Bristol Rovers owners have not owned the club very well at all. Back in Twerton days, we were bigger club than Swansea, Bournemouth, Luton, and many others settled in the top two tiers today. Good post up until the final paragraph which I find kind of oxymoronic. |
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 21, 2023 23:37:51 GMT
I may have mentioned this before. It'll be interesting to see who we eventually appoint...
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 22, 2023 10:24:35 GMT
that wouldn’t even cover his weekly wage. if you think of the amount of money in that period. Already in work, Cocko struck an agreement on what was owed. But then the garner team/ master plan was assembled, Garner paid off, Tisdale paid off, the master plan team wholly changed by Barton. All the money involved in that period, wasted? Could it have been put to better use? The only thing really wrong in terms of a solid team that wouldn’t go down was Lockyer and Craig leaving for nothing and not replaced. “Wanting to take things in a different direction” cost the club a whole heap of money. Meanwhile Wycombe enjoyed all the fun of a promotion season and season at tier 2 sticking with football the Ainsworth/cocko way. Take a look at these teams winning big matches for us in close succession www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50696305 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50356060 Did it clearly need ripping up? Does a club really need to recruit and pay wages only for the championship in mind, and switch to tiki taka football to enjoy all the fun of a promotion season and staying up in tier 2? Is that the proper way to manage a club, burning money? Since Clarke got us to 8th in 2018, Bristol Rovers owners have not owned the club very well at all. Back in Twerton days, we were bigger club than Swansea, Bournemouth, Luton, and many others settled in the top two tiers today. Good post up until the final paragraph which I find kind of oxymoronic. you calling me a moron? in the context of asking how do you take yourself to the next level, the last paragraph makes some sense, as there are case studies to learn from - we don’t have to “reinvent a Wael” at all. Unless “reinvent the Wael” actually is an oxymoron - like to achieve organised chaos from disorganised chaos. No wonder you don’t understand, the Emperor’s analysis of the situation is on a different level than all you plēbēius can keep up with. Flawed back story though Magnan has, would swapping him out for Taylor be another “cocko” + “masterplan” moment? His infectious energy and enthusiasm is working on the dressing room. Bigger challenges to come, and time will tell us more. Why not pause on the manager search and give him that time? |
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Post by rowdenhill on Nov 22, 2023 10:42:15 GMT
How does Beth Rigby pronounce 'Mangan'?
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