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Post by oldie on Dec 1, 2023 21:55:26 GMT
I agree with Trymer. Barton should be erased from the memory just like I did with Barbara from Cardiff after my Locarno experience with her in 1979. Bugger, it's all coming back. Locarno in 1979...what the hell As for Barbara, isn't she in the Guinness Book of Records? Although allegedly she did turn Trymer away because of his mono syllabic grunting...can't blame her really. Apparently the White Stiletto Shoes are in the Tiger Bay Hall of Fame
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Dec 1, 2023 21:59:14 GMT
I too went to Hengrove.Not many Rovers fans but my first Girlfriend Sonia from St John's Lane.Still 15 in my head but in reality 76 now!!!!! So you were there when I was!! What year did you leave? Left a year earlier than the rest to join the RAF Boy Entrants in 1962 at age 16 which is how i ended up in Stafford.
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Post by bondigas on Dec 1, 2023 22:09:38 GMT
What I find remarkable is how anyone with any semblance of intellect or business sense could ever appointment Barton as manager. But there again, I like many others, have seen and witnessed the pathetic childish selfies posted on instagram with any names that are idolised in football that are unfortunate enough to be addresed in airports by our minority shareholder who succumbs to grovelling after celebrities. Grow up son and be an adult for once in your life !
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Post by oldie on Dec 1, 2023 22:30:08 GMT
So you were there when I was!! What year did you leave? Left a year earlier than the rest to join the RAF Boy Entrants in 1962 at age 16 which is how i ended up in Stafford. Ah, ok.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 2, 2023 6:29:22 GMT
Just a little chinwag at his wake and we can bury him for good. I knew a Barbara from Cardiff...
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Post by oldie on Dec 2, 2023 7:06:14 GMT
Just a little chinwag at his wake and we can bury him for good. I knew a Barbara from Cardiff... There were two, one was the Drag Queen "Big Babs" Played No 8 for Merthyr Tydfil rugby club
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 8:19:46 GMT
Just a little chinwag at his wake and we can bury him for good. I knew a Barbara from Cardiff... There were two, one was the Drag Queen "Big Babs" Played No 8 for Merthyr Tydfil rugby club My Barbara could have played loose head and tight head prop at the same time.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Dec 2, 2023 10:48:59 GMT
Time to get Trevor Clarke back.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 2, 2023 11:24:17 GMT
Time to get Trevor Clarke back. And Belshaw and Ryan Jones
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 12, 2023 16:36:51 GMT
Jonathan Liew is generally pretty good, and this is up to his usual standards.. www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/12/joey-bartons-far-right-rebrand-points-to-sad-malaise-among-footballs-lost-boysFirst they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. Then, several years after you’ve won, a former Queens Park Rangers midfielder inexplicably tries to fight you again in an attempt to promote his podcast. Like a catchy maxim ripped from the pages of the philosophy books that he has almost certainly only skim-read, the tale of Joey Barton can be interpreted pretty much however you want. Perhaps the first reaction to the former Rangers substitute’s latest wave of attention-seeking is also the most natural: ignore, starve of oxygen, move on. Partly this is because his motivations for railing against female pundits in men’s football are so cynically transparent. Why engage on the merest rational level with someone operating entirely outside the bounds of reason? This is, in many ways, the rhetorical equivalent of Barton’s dismissal for QPR against Manchester City on the final day of the 2011-12 season: a blur of unfocused, indiscriminate anger, a last desperate attempt to drag someone else down into the filth with him before he disappears down the tunnel and into oblivion. Of course, this goes far deeper than one 41‑year‑old former Bristol Rovers manager (win ratio 37.1%) and his crumpled onanistic desire to feel something again. Not least because of the way he has broadened out his generic criticism to specific broadcasters, who have then had to face the wrath of his 2.7 million social media followers. And not least because of the additional emotional labour that many women in football have felt obliged to perform in the days since: defending their positions, defending their colleagues, defending their right simply to earn a living against a loud lunatic fringe with seemingly inexhaustible reserves of time, self-hatred and burner accounts. Enough now. This is a male problem, and to be quite honest men have been shirking the hard work on this for far too long. And it is very specifically a football problem, even if, in his shameless grift, the 11-minute one-cap wonder is clearly channelling the same far-right talking points as more seasoned online contrarians such as Andrew Tate and Russell Brand and that Tory MP with the Rick Parfitt wig whose name I always forget. Since its earliest days football has always been a Petri dish of bruised and broken masculinity, conceived from first principles as a place where men gather to perform and prove themselves. Where the constraints and compromises of wider society did not apply. Where – from the terrace ruck to the Premier League sex party – overt masculinity has always been rewarded rather than reined in. And though the sport is more diverse than it has ever been, a safer space for women than it has ever been, that culture persists; perhaps not so much in the glass-flecked alleyway but in the fan forum, the newspaper comments section, the sternly worded legal injunction protecting the identity of the latest footballer accused of sexual violence. For the ex-footballer, flung unceremoniously from the carousel, now on the outside looking in, the values and certainties that helped them to thrive in this world now offer precious little protection. Perhaps this is why so many former footballers find themselves vulnerable to financial scams or conspiracy theories, convinced that the same special essence that slipped them free of the chains of society can help them do so again. How does Matt Le Tissier end up sharing bizarre and antisemitic 9/11 conspiracies? Why does Iker Casillas think the moon landings were faked? How does Rickie Lambert end up going on marches against the “15-minute city” and sharing something called the “Great Awakening Theory”? How does Barton become a champion of the disgraced “alt-right” fantasist Alex Jones? Very little of the actual content is worth addressing in any kind of detail, but there is a common worldview at work here: not coherent by any stretch but devastatingly clear in its emotional impetus, its determination to see darkened enemies everywhere. The world is not what we were told it was. We were all lied to. And I – the disaffected middle-aged man, society’s last permissible victim – am the last hope against the total collapse of humanity. Why would Barton try to rebrand himself in the cloaks of mainstream far-right populism? Perhaps the more operative question is: why wouldn’t he? This is a man whose lust for controversy and attention has been indulged and encouraged at every turn: often by a largely middle-class media for whom the ability to quote fortune-cookie fragments of Nietzsche or Viktor Frankl was interpreted as some kind of noble redemption arc. Remember the concerted attempts around a decade ago to reposition this convicted criminal as some kind of misunderstood urchin intellectual? The book deal, the simpering coverage, the romanticisation of his violent past, the Question Time invitation. “If I’m somewhere and there’s four really ugly girls, I’m thinking: ‘She’s not the worst,’” he told a Ukip politician on the programme. Who could possibly have seen this bright young man becoming a rent‑a‑misogynist on Elon Musk’s platform? So, yes: by all means ignore Barton if you must. If that’s what helps you get through the day. But by the same token something really quite sinister is happening here, a gathering movement of disaffected young men emboldened by our current political moment, of which Barton is merely an opportunistic symptom. It begins with a throwaway comment about women on the telly. With an easily muted jibe at the Lionesses. History tells us it never ends that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 17:27:15 GMT
The Roy Hodgson cartoon was slightly amusing.
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Post by oldie on Dec 12, 2023 18:40:12 GMT
Jonathan Liew is generally pretty good, and this is up to his usual standards.. www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/12/joey-bartons-far-right-rebrand-points-to-sad-malaise-among-footballs-lost-boysFirst they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. Then, several years after you’ve won, a former Queens Park Rangers midfielder inexplicably tries to fight you again in an attempt to promote his podcast. Like a catchy maxim ripped from the pages of the philosophy books that he has almost certainly only skim-read, the tale of Joey Barton can be interpreted pretty much however you want. Perhaps the first reaction to the former Rangers substitute’s latest wave of attention-seeking is also the most natural: ignore, starve of oxygen, move on. Partly this is because his motivations for railing against female pundits in men’s football are so cynically transparent. Why engage on the merest rational level with someone operating entirely outside the bounds of reason? This is, in many ways, the rhetorical equivalent of Barton’s dismissal for QPR against Manchester City on the final day of the 2011-12 season: a blur of unfocused, indiscriminate anger, a last desperate attempt to drag someone else down into the filth with him before he disappears down the tunnel and into oblivion. Of course, this goes far deeper than one 41‑year‑old former Bristol Rovers manager (win ratio 37.1%) and his crumpled onanistic desire to feel something again. Not least because of the way he has broadened out his generic criticism to specific broadcasters, who have then had to face the wrath of his 2.7 million social media followers. And not least because of the additional emotional labour that many women in football have felt obliged to perform in the days since: defending their positions, defending their colleagues, defending their right simply to earn a living against a loud lunatic fringe with seemingly inexhaustible reserves of time, self-hatred and burner accounts. Enough now. This is a male problem, and to be quite honest men have been shirking the hard work on this for far too long. And it is very specifically a football problem, even if, in his shameless grift, the 11-minute one-cap wonder is clearly channelling the same far-right talking points as more seasoned online contrarians such as Andrew Tate and Russell Brand and that Tory MP with the Rick Parfitt wig whose name I always forget. Since its earliest days football has always been a Petri dish of bruised and broken masculinity, conceived from first principles as a place where men gather to perform and prove themselves. Where the constraints and compromises of wider society did not apply. Where – from the terrace ruck to the Premier League sex party – overt masculinity has always been rewarded rather than reined in. And though the sport is more diverse than it has ever been, a safer space for women than it has ever been, that culture persists; perhaps not so much in the glass-flecked alleyway but in the fan forum, the newspaper comments section, the sternly worded legal injunction protecting the identity of the latest footballer accused of sexual violence. For the ex-footballer, flung unceremoniously from the carousel, now on the outside looking in, the values and certainties that helped them to thrive in this world now offer precious little protection. Perhaps this is why so many former footballers find themselves vulnerable to financial scams or conspiracy theories, convinced that the same special essence that slipped them free of the chains of society can help them do so again. How does Matt Le Tissier end up sharing bizarre and antisemitic 9/11 conspiracies? Why does Iker Casillas think the moon landings were faked? How does Rickie Lambert end up going on marches against the “15-minute city” and sharing something called the “Great Awakening Theory”? How does Barton become a champion of the disgraced “alt-right” fantasist Alex Jones? Very little of the actual content is worth addressing in any kind of detail, but there is a common worldview at work here: not coherent by any stretch but devastatingly clear in its emotional impetus, its determination to see darkened enemies everywhere. The world is not what we were told it was. We were all lied to. And I – the disaffected middle-aged man, society’s last permissible victim – am the last hope against the total collapse of humanity. Why would Barton try to rebrand himself in the cloaks of mainstream far-right populism? Perhaps the more operative question is: why wouldn’t he? This is a man whose lust for controversy and attention has been indulged and encouraged at every turn: often by a largely middle-class media for whom the ability to quote fortune-cookie fragments of Nietzsche or Viktor Frankl was interpreted as some kind of noble redemption arc. Remember the concerted attempts around a decade ago to reposition this convicted criminal as some kind of misunderstood urchin intellectual? The book deal, the simpering coverage, the romanticisation of his violent past, the Question Time invitation. “If I’m somewhere and there’s four really ugly girls, I’m thinking: ‘She’s not the worst,’” he told a Ukip politician on the programme. Who could possibly have seen this bright young man becoming a rent‑a‑misogynist on Elon Musk’s platform? So, yes: by all means ignore Barton if you must. If that’s what helps you get through the day. But by the same token something really quite sinister is happening here, a gathering movement of disaffected young men emboldened by our current political moment, of which Barton is merely an opportunistic symptom. It begins with a throwaway comment about women on the telly. With an easily muted jibe at the Lionesses. History tells us it never ends that way. Very, very good
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Post by The Concept on Dec 12, 2023 19:10:34 GMT
The Piers Morgan interview thread has disappeared, so I'll post on this one...
Something else JB mentioned was that at Bristol Rovers we have the Her Game Too campaign. What he failed to say was that on his watch the official partnership between the campaign and the football club was ended, even though Her Game Too was created by Rovers supporters.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 13, 2023 11:39:25 GMT
The Piers Morgan interview thread has disappeared, so I'll post on this one... Something else JB mentioned was that at Bristol Rovers we have the Her Game Too campaign. What he failed to say was that on his watch the official partnership between the campaign and the football club was ended, even though Her Game Too was created by Rovers supporters. Non-Rovers related. So that thread is now in General Football Chat. Maybe I should open up a new section for "People Once Connected with Rovers, but now Desperately Seeking Attention Elsewhere".
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 14, 2023 9:25:46 GMT
The Piers Morgan interview thread has disappeared, so I'll post on this one... Something else JB mentioned was that at Bristol Rovers we have the Her Game Too campaign. What he failed to say was that on his watch the official partnership between the campaign and the football club was ended, even though Her Game Too was created by Rovers supporters. Non-Rovers related. So that thread is now in General Football Chat. Maybe I should open up a new section for "People Once Connected with Rovers, but now Desperately Seeking Attention Elsewhere". Awwww I reckon you are all secretly missing him so here’s one for your mantelpiece’s! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 9:40:03 GMT
Non-Rovers related. So that thread is now in General Football Chat. Maybe I should open up a new section for "People Once Connected with Rovers, but now Desperately Seeking Attention Elsewhere". Awwww I reckon you are all secretly missing him so here’s one for your mantelpiece’s! He is now safely in his shed with his X account. Leave him in peace to reign over the kingdom that he has invented for himself. The stench over BS7 has been lifted. We've got super Matt Taylor....... A manager who Barton never defeated UTG
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 14, 2023 10:46:15 GMT
And I noticed that he is more gobby in a lot more media outlets,needs somewhere to let off his rather petulant views.... this morning's target is the rather mild mannered Jermaine Jeans and his new position commentating the E4 racing circuit .... tedious to say the least
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 14, 2023 13:54:48 GMT
And I noticed that he is more gobby in a lot more media outlets,needs somewhere to let off his rather petulant views.... this morning's target is the rather mild mannered Jermaine Jeans and his new position commentating the E4 racing circuit .... tedious to say the least Well in the short term nobody’s going to give him a real job, and if he continues to be the antichrist he’s got zero chance long term either!
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 14, 2023 15:30:12 GMT
And I noticed that he is more gobby in a lot more media outlets,needs somewhere to let off his rather petulant views.... this morning's target is the rather mild mannered Jermaine Jeans and his new position commentating the E4 racing circuit .... tedious to say the least Well in the short term nobody’s going to give him a real job, and if he continues to be the antichrist he’s got zero chance long term either! Some unsuspecting French club might take a chance on the chancer cos he does speak the language!
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 14, 2023 15:30:36 GMT
Non-Rovers related. So that thread is now in General Football Chat. Maybe I should open up a new section for "People Once Connected with Rovers, but now Desperately Seeking Attention Elsewhere". Awwww I reckon you are all secretly missing him so here’s one for your mantelpiece’s! I have absolutely no recollection of that person in the attachment. It must have been photoshoped.
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