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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 31, 2023 14:36:49 GMT
Leaving it till christmas would also be unlikely to prove anything either even if we somehow miraculously went on a run akin to that of feb 21 onwards and based on performances to date I would say that was very unlikely. I’m clearly speculating here but a reasonable inference is that wed’d bump along at about 1.3 ppg which is about Barton’s historical average with both us and Fleetwood and is pretty mediocre considering what we are spending on the team. We’d also have made it much harder for a new manager if we then decided to get rid much closer to the transfer window. I make no predictions as to how the season will pan out as that will depend on who gets the gig and another bad appointment could see the wheels fall off spectacularly. I think that is unlikely as I do think we have enough quality in the squad (Barton deserves credit for this) but also think that Barton was not getting the best out of it. It is a bit of a gamble but feels like a measured one to me and a better option than sticking with what we had which had all the hallmarks of underachievement. Will be keeping everything crossed that the new owners are better than Wael at managerial appointments but that is a low bar for them to clear Edit - also worth making the point that Barton leaves us in almost the same league position as when he was appointed. Not a great return for the cost he has been allowed to incur your first couple of paragraphs okay. But the edit line is complete rubbish. You can’t measure where a team actually is this year by its league position in October. Trollope, Clarke, Barton have all achieved promotion from lowly October, lowly much later league positions. Sides can do that in second half of a season, but not the second half of season side Barton inherited, it was devoid of backbone and leadership, weak in both boxes and midfield, and headed to relegation under most managers. it’s very important for all gasheads to acknowledge the true history here - even the ones letting off flares for the “creature they hated” is now gone. Barton Did Not fail as manager here. There is not enough evidence to prove he did. Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success. And what is the next stage we now measure our managers success against? Second season in L1, we are still building our way up this table. the historical truth. You sense it’s not a managerial appointment the new owners would have made in the first place, due to how he falls out with players and his daft, too often controversial media management. This is what has actually got Barton the sack, not assessment of performances, the results, ability to team build and potential to keep us up and get us top half finishes. Don’t think I have said he failed, but there is plenty of evidence to support my claim that he is a mediocre manager at best. It is also factually accurate to observe that we are in almost the same league position at both his start and departure points having had financial backing that I cannot remember any other BRFC manager enjoying. You may be right that the new owners have got rid more because of the baggage he brings. Me? - I’d have done it long ago for football reasons. Oddly enough I do think he could be a good manager if he stopped overthinking things, discarding good players like confetti and sticking to a settled game plan and system that suits the squad he has rather than the one he wishes he had. That imho is what happened when we suddenly became almost invincible in the latter part of 21/22 season |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 18:02:37 GMT
I wonder if Barton has applied for the Rotherham job again?
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 14, 2023 19:27:39 GMT
I wonder if Barton has applied for the Rotherham job again? He is on holiday in the United Arab Emirates |
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Post by oldie on Nov 14, 2023 20:07:05 GMT
I wonder if Barton has applied for the Rotherham job again? He is on holiday in the United Arab Emirates Looking for a cultural exchange 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 15, 2023 4:40:43 GMT
I wonder if Barton has applied for the Rotherham job again? He is on holiday in the United Arab Emirates Not surprised he’s left the country. I’ve just read that residents had to be evacuated after serious structural defects were discovered at Bristol’s Barton House. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 15, 2023 12:01:40 GMT
I've heard he's looking to re-build his career lower down the pyramid.
Barton Rovers? In the Southern League Division One Central (step 4)
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 14:06:55 GMT
I've heard he's looking to re-build his career lower down the pyramid. Barton Rovers? In the Southern League Division One Central (step 4) Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 15, 2023 14:37:42 GMT
I've heard he's looking to re-build his career lower down the pyramid. Barton Rovers? In the Southern League Division One Central (step 4) Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) Be up for a pardon after 25 years!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 14:52:51 GMT
I've heard he's looking to re-build his career lower down the pyramid. Barton Rovers? In the Southern League Division One Central (step 4) Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) A bit too close to home for Colyton Gas |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 15, 2023 18:25:05 GMT
I've heard he's looking to re-build his career lower down the pyramid. Barton Rovers? In the Southern League Division One Central (step 4) Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) And the village has a nice bench under the tree in the village centre to rest and watch. UTG! |
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Post by The Concept on Nov 15, 2023 19:52:24 GMT
Personally I'd be very surprised if JB gets another managerial position in the UK.
Does anyone really think any other clubs are willing to risk appointing him?
Despite the fact we got promoted in 2021-22, no one showed any interest in poaching him from us.
At the end of that season, Rob Edwards (relatively unknown in managerial terms), after promotion and only 1 year at FGR, was snapped up by Watford (didn't last long, but doing well at neighbours Luton). And JB's former club Burnley didn't come in for him to replace Sean Dyche.
People said that JB was on the list for certain clubs, but that's all it was - just a list of names produced by Bookmakers, and maintained by people willing to gamble money on it.
But JB does have a promotion on his CV, that he always coveted.
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 20:13:16 GMT
Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) A bit too close to home for Colyton Gas Never saw Colyton as an union activist. And definitely not an an asshole like our ex manager. |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 15, 2023 20:38:28 GMT
Heard he has apllied to take over the Tolpuddle Martyrs. South Dorset League Division 3. Hopefully the outcome will be the same as at that location in previous years (centuries) A bit too close to home for Colyton Gas If Colyton Gas was charged with swearing a secret oath I'm sure Simon Csoka KC would get him off. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 18, 2023 14:06:29 GMT
rumours at the other place that Jenny Eddings and David Coles have left BRFC
is this place being out-rumoured?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 14:36:50 GMT
rumours at the other place that Jenny Eddings and David Coles have left BRFC is this place being out-rumoured? Only facts here, nobody ever believes each other on the other place.  Jenny would have left the day Barton did. He's his minder. Is David Coles stuck in a revolving door? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 18, 2023 17:47:59 GMT
rumours at the other place that Jenny Eddings and David Coles have left BRFC is this place being out-rumoured? Only facts here, nobody ever believes each other on the other place. Jenny would have left the day Barton did. He's his minder. Is David Coles stuck in a revolving door? As his minder, is his job to ensure that he keeps out of trouble or to ensure that he gets into enough of it? Prob more successful if it's the latter |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 18:32:36 GMT
Only facts here, nobody ever believes each other on the other place. Jenny would have left the day Barton did. He's his minder. Is David Coles stuck in a revolving door? As his minder, is his job to ensure that he keeps out of trouble or to ensure that he gets into enough of it? Prob more successful if it's the latter I think his job is to make sure the victims don't hit back. |
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 30, 2023 23:00:23 GMT
Family of Anthony Walker tear apart Joey Barton's description of his brother's racially-motivated murder of the teenager as 'a f***ing scrap' - after former Bristol Rovers boss appeared to play down how serious the 2005 ice-axe killing was..By TAMARA PRENN FOR MAILONLINE.The Anthony Walker Foundation - named after the teenager murdered by Joey Barton's brother Michael in 2005 and created by his family - has poured scorn on the former Bristol Rovers boss' description of his sibling's part in the killing as a 'f***ing scrap' in a clip from an upcoming podcast appearance. Michael - whose brother featured for Manchester City at the time of Walker's murder - was released from prison in September 2022 having served 17 years of a life sentence for his part in killing the black 18-year-old in McGoldrick Park in Liverpool. Walker was returning home with his girlfriend Louisa Thompson and cousin Marcus Binns when Michael - accompanied by his cousin Paul Taylor - began hurling racist epithets at Walker, saying: 'walk, n*****, walk' as the trio passed by. The pair later stalked and ambushed Walker and Taylor drove an ice axe in his skull which left the teenager brain-dead within moments. Barton appeared to play down the severity of his brother's crime in promotional material for his appearance on the podcast 'Anything Goes with James English', as he stressed how his brother had lost '17 years of his life' after being imprisoned for his role in a 'f***ing scrap'. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/30/11/78417147-12809467-image-m-24_1701344871277.jpgMichael Bartoni.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/30/11/78417139-12809467-image-a-25_1701344876486.jpgAnthony Walker'We consider his description of Anthony’s murder as factually incorrect, lacking in any sensitivity given the serious nature of the incident, in which Anthony Walker tragically lost his life to a violent racially motivated attack by Mr Barton’s brother and his cousin Paul Taylor. 'This year is the eighteenth anniversary of Anthony's murder, so we express our hope that Mr Barton will reflect on the impact of his words and the profound significance of the actions of his brother as he walks the street a free man. 'It is worth noting that Michael Barton did not lose 17 years of his life, the only life lost that day was Anthony’s and not for 17 years, but forever.' The statement continued: 'It saddens us that someone with his reach and status would seem to trivialize the incident that led to such an outcome and heap further pain and suffering upon the family and friends of Anthony. 'The Anthony Walker Foundation will continue to strive for a more inclusive world where such an incident never reoccurs. Our charity will continue to tackle racism, hate crime and discrimination by providing educational opportunities and victim support services and by promoting equity and inclusion for all.' As the clip gained traction on social media platform X, formerly Twitter, a number of users highlighted the insensitivity of Barton's description of racist assault that preceded Walker's ambush and murder a 'scrap', labelling his description as 'disgusting'. During his trial, Michael stated that he believed he was the victim of the murder, and said that he bore no responsibility for Walker's death. Presiding judge Lord Justice Leveson said that the cousins had perpetrated a 'terrifying ambush' and a 'racist attack of a type poisonous to any civilised society'. After being sentenced to a minimum term of 17 years and 8 months, Michael's initial behaviour in prison made him a 'high risk' prisoner, and he was disciplined for offences including fighting, stealing, and possessing illicit hooch. However, in 2016 the London High Court heard that his behaviour and attitude had improved dramatically, and his sentence was reduced by eight months. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/30/16/78432485-12810729-image-a-4_1701362803046.jpgWalker's mother Gee was described as a 'woman of immense dignity' by Barton in 2016 tomeGranted parole by the Parole Board in September last year, Michael was released just over two years after a BBC drama was made about the life of the devoutly Christian Walker following a collaboration between his mother Gee and screenwriter Jimmy McGovern. Barton, who grew up in a different household to his brother, and at the time described himself as 'sickened' by Michael's actions whilst urging him to come forward after fleeing the country. In his 2016 book 'No Nonsense', the former Bristol Rovers manager discussed the murder, and singled out the strength shown by Gee, calling Walker's mother as 'a woman of immense dignity, incredible tolerance, immeasurable moral courage and inspirational goodness'. He stated that he cannot 'forget or forgive' the actions of Taylor, and believed that both men 'deserved their sentences', as well as wondering if he 'could have done any more to prevent' Walker's murder. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/30/11/78417163-12809467-image-a-26_1701344899871.jpgBarton previously discussed his brother's role in the killing and subsequent imprisonment in his book
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 23:04:20 GMT
One day, nobody will mention Barton's name again.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 30, 2023 23:14:12 GMT
One day, nobody will mention Barton's name again. Amen to that |
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