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Post by trymer on Sept 28, 2024 8:34:52 GMT
Cross-border attacks continue after Israel targets Hezbollah leader in overnight strike..by Johanna Chisholmichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/d814/live/ee326bc0-7d67-11ef-bf4b-ef19cfbf3842.jpgHezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah was the target of Friday's strikes on Beirut, an Israeli military source has told the BBC Israel's military said it carried out a "very accurate" strike on Hezbollah headquarters earlier, but it has not stated whether Nasrallah was the target Air strikes continued into Saturday morning in southern Beirut, with a BBC correspondent seeing thick smoke rising over several locations in Dahieh The Israeli military says that it is "attacking" targets in the Bekaa Valley this morning after detecting a rocket fired from Lebanon On Friday, Lebanese officials said six people were killed and 91 injured in an air strike, with local officials saying that nearly 800 people have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon since Monday IF Iran had a nuclear device I think that they would use it in Israel now...lets hope that Russia havent given them one of their 5000 + nuclear devices.
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 28, 2024 8:35:16 GMT
Cross-border attacks continue after Israel targets Hezbollah leader in overnight strike..by Johanna Chisholmichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/d814/live/ee326bc0-7d67-11ef-bf4b-ef19cfbf3842.jpgHezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah was the target of Friday's strikes on Beirut, an Israeli military source has told the BBC Israel's military said it carried out a "very accurate" strike on Hezbollah headquarters earlier, but it has not stated whether Nasrallah was the target Air strikes continued into Saturday morning in southern Beirut, with a BBC correspondent seeing thick smoke rising over several locations in Dahieh The Israeli military says that it is "attacking" targets in the Bekaa Valley this morning after detecting a rocket fired from Lebanon On Friday, Lebanese officials said six people were killed and 91 injured in an air strike, with local officials saying that nearly 800 people have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon since Monday Nasrallah dead 👍👍
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Post by Icegas on Sept 28, 2024 8:53:17 GMT
Cross-border attacks continue after Israel targets Hezbollah leader in overnight strike..by Johanna Chisholmichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/d814/live/ee326bc0-7d67-11ef-bf4b-ef19cfbf3842.jpgHezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah was the target of Friday's strikes on Beirut, an Israeli military source has told the BBC Israel's military said it carried out a "very accurate" strike on Hezbollah headquarters earlier, but it has not stated whether Nasrallah was the target Air strikes continued into Saturday morning in southern Beirut, with a BBC correspondent seeing thick smoke rising over several locations in Dahieh The Israeli military says that it is "attacking" targets in the Bekaa Valley this morning after detecting a rocket fired from Lebanon On Friday, Lebanese officials said six people were killed and 91 injured in an air strike, with local officials saying that nearly 800 people have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon since Monday IF Iran had a nuclear device I think that they would use it in Israel now...lets hope that Russia havent given them one of their 5000 + nuclear devices. This is a concern, but I very much doubt they have as the American's would be aware of it, and I don't think that the Russians are that stupid. But at this stage, and with the way that Israel are going for the throats of their enemies, if Iran did have a nuke,then this is the period of them using it. They probably would do so,even if that meant they would be wiped off the face of the earth by Israel. I don't see Netanyahu stopping.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 28, 2024 21:10:27 GMT
Killing of Hezbollah leader is 'historic turning point', Netanyahu says..by Jude Sheerin, with Orla Guerin, Nafiseh Kohnavard & Hugo Bachega reporting from Beirutichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/985f/live/9e8ccd70-7d78-11ef-bda7-e1427314c99f.jpgHezbollah has confirmed the death of its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, after Israeli strikes on Beirut Nasrallah, who had not been seen in public for years because of fears of being assassinated by Israel, was one of the best known and most influential figures in the Middle East Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel "settled the score" with Nasrallah's death, and it is a "historic turning point" US President Joe Biden says his death is a "measure of justice for his many victims" - but Iran’s supreme leader declares five days of mourning and says his death "will not go unavenged" Israel and Hezbollah are continuing to launch strikes across the border, while the Houthis in Yemen say they fired a missile at Israel's Ben Gurion Airport, which Israel intercepted At least 11 people were killed and 108 injured in strikes on Friday in Beirut, Lebanese officials say, and nearly 800 people have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon since Monday
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Post by alftupper on Sept 29, 2024 8:14:30 GMT
IF Iran had a nuclear device I think that they would use it in Israel now...lets hope that Russia havent given them one of their 5000 + nuclear devices. But at this stage, and with the way that Israel are going for the throats of their enemies, if Iran did have a nuke,then this is the period of them using it. They probably would do so,even if that meant they would be wiped off the face of the earth by Israel. We live in interesting times.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 29, 2024 16:07:05 GMT
But at this stage, and with the way that Israel are going for the throats of their enemies, if Iran did have a nuke,then this is the period of them using it. They probably would do so,even if that meant they would be wiped off the face of the earth by Israel. We live in interesting times. We do indeed Alf. But I do not think that Iran would use a nuclear device. They hate the USA but are very wary, knowing that the USA would quite happily attack Iran to defend Israel. And by default the UK would probably be there as well. And Netanyahu knows that too, but I think at present he is really trying the patience of his USA backers.
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Post by oldie on Sept 29, 2024 20:25:32 GMT
We live in interesting times. We do indeed Alf. But I do not think that Iran would use a nuclear device. The hate the USA are are very wary, knowing that the USA would quite happily attack Iran to defend Israel. And by default the UK would probably be there as well. And Netanyahu knows that too, but I think at present he is really trying the patience of his USA backers. I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Other factors come into play. For example the relative populations. Iran's population is circa 90 million, Israel is around 9.5 million. That's a huge difference in human resource. Iran'army has 600k+ active duty personnel and 300k+ reservists. Israel has 170k active and 470k reservists. But the issue for Iran is that because of post 1979 embargoes their equipment is either very dated or home produced. Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed. I don't know but it appears Israel has taken a scorched earth policy to HAMAS and GAZA generally, have cut off the head Hezbollah in Lebanon whilst hardly a scratch in Israel itself. The Arab States have sat on their hands, even now and the noise out of Iran appears to be just rhetoric. But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles. They could launch a mass attack and quite possibly overwhelm Israel's "Iron Dome" But they would face a massive retaliation from Israel which would most likely disable their economy and quite possibly see the leadership attacked in Tehran. My bet is they will sit on their hands. I am praying (not literally) that they do
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 30, 2024 7:39:25 GMT
Hamas leader in Lebanon killed as Israeli air strikes reported across country..by Johanna Chisholm, with Hugo Bachega reporting from Lebanonichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/6f77/live/24bc3dc0-7eed-11ef-bda7-e1427314c99f.jpgIsrael killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in a strike on Friday that, Israel said, also killed 20 other key figures in the group - the Iran-backed group confirmed the leader's death the next day A senior general in Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps, Abbas Nilforoushan, was also killed in the strike, Iran state media said US President Joe Biden described the strike as a "measure of justice" for victims of Nasrallah, but Iran’s supreme leader has said his death "will not go unavenged" Iran's leader, Ali Khamenei, was also reportedly moved to a secure location Cross-border fire between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon was reported throughout the weekend, with Israel saying it killed additional senior figures from the militant group Lebanese officials said more than 100 people were killed on Sunday, bringing the death toll from the past two weeks to more than 1,000 Lebanon's Prime Minister Najib Mikati said Israeli air strikes may have displaced as many as one million people, describing it as possibly the largest displacement in its history Israel also targeted another Iranian-backed group, the Houthis, in Yemen, claiming they were responding to attacks the group had carried out against it
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 30, 2024 9:32:08 GMT
We do indeed Alf. But I do not think that Iran would use a nuclear device. The hate the USA are are very wary, knowing that the USA would quite happily attack Iran to defend Israel. And by default the UK would probably be there as well. And Netanyahu knows that too, but I think at present he is really trying the patience of his USA backers. I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Other factors come into play. For example the relative populations. Iran's population is circa 90 million, Israel is around 9.5 million. That's a huge difference in human resource. Iran'army has 600k+ active duty personnel and 300k+ reservists. Israel has 170k active and 470k reservists. But the issue for Iran is that because of post 1979 embargoes their equipment is either very dated or home produced. Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed. I don't know but it appears Israel has taken a scorched earth policy to HAMAS and GAZA generally, have cut off the head Hezbollah in Lebanon whilst hardly a scratch in Israel itself. The Arab States have sat on their hands, even now and the noise out of Iran appears to be just rhetoric. But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles. They could launch a mass attack and quite possibly overwhelm Israel's "Iron Dome" But they would face a massive retaliation from Israel which would most likely disable their economy and quite possibly see the leadership attacked in Tehran. My bet is they will sit on their hands. I am praying (not literally) that they do "Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons?" - There is a lot of evidence that they are very close to having nuclear weapons. I do believe that the Israelis are on top of things though, and as soon as Iran gets to that final stage, Israel will bomb whatever facilities they have to. Another worry is just what Iran has received in exchange for the weapons it has supplied to Russia? Would nuclear technology be part of that exchange? I'm willing to bet it is. "Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed." - Iran will not attack Israel directly with troops. They leave the hard work to others (Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Syria etc), the puppets. Iran is just the puppet master. "But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles." - That is just ballistic weapons. "My bet is they will sit on their hands." - No they won't. They are quite happy to see civilians being killed in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen etc if helps to promote their ideological and barbaric war on the Jewish people. They supply the weaponry to arm their useful idiots in the ME.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 30, 2024 9:45:28 GMT
I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Other factors come into play. For example the relative populations. Iran's population is circa 90 million, Israel is around 9.5 million. That's a huge difference in human resource. Iran'army has 600k+ active duty personnel and 300k+ reservists. Israel has 170k active and 470k reservists. But the issue for Iran is that because of post 1979 embargoes their equipment is either very dated or home produced. Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed. I don't know but it appears Israel has taken a scorched earth policy to HAMAS and GAZA generally, have cut off the head Hezbollah in Lebanon whilst hardly a scratch in Israel itself. The Arab States have sat on their hands, even now and the noise out of Iran appears to be just rhetoric. But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles. They could launch a mass attack and quite possibly overwhelm Israel's "Iron Dome" But they would face a massive retaliation from Israel which would most likely disable their economy and quite possibly see the leadership attacked in Tehran. My bet is they will sit on their hands. I am praying (not literally) that they do "Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons?" - There is a lot of evidence that they are very close to having nuclear weapons. I do believe that the Israelis are on top of things though, and as soon as Iran gets to that final stage, Israel will bomb whatever facilities they have to. Another worry is just what Iran has received in exchange for the weapons it has supplied to Russia? Would nuclear technology be part of that exchange? I'm willing to bet it is. "Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed." - Iran will not attack Israel directly with troops. They leave the hard work to others (Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Syria etc), the puppets. Iran is just the puppet master. "But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles." - That is just ballistic weapons. "My bet is they will sit on their hands." - No they won't. They are quite happy to see civilians being killed in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen etc if helps to promote their ideological and barbaric war on the Jewish people. They supply the weaponry to arm their useful idiots in the ME. Would Putin sanction the transfer of nuclear technology? I'm not sure he would give them the final pieces of the jigsaw as that puts a nuclear armed country to their south, irregardless of his current desperation for friends and support. I can see civil nuclear support, but not for a nuclear bomb.
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 9:49:15 GMT
I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Other factors come into play. For example the relative populations. Iran's population is circa 90 million, Israel is around 9.5 million. That's a huge difference in human resource. Iran'army has 600k+ active duty personnel and 300k+ reservists. Israel has 170k active and 470k reservists. But the issue for Iran is that because of post 1979 embargoes their equipment is either very dated or home produced. Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed. I don't know but it appears Israel has taken a scorched earth policy to HAMAS and GAZA generally, have cut off the head Hezbollah in Lebanon whilst hardly a scratch in Israel itself. The Arab States have sat on their hands, even now and the noise out of Iran appears to be just rhetoric. But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles. They could launch a mass attack and quite possibly overwhelm Israel's "Iron Dome" But they would face a massive retaliation from Israel which would most likely disable their economy and quite possibly see the leadership attacked in Tehran. My bet is they will sit on their hands. I am praying (not literally) that they do "Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons?" - There is a lot of evidence that they are very close to having nuclear weapons. I do believe that the Israelis are on top of things though, and as soon as Iran gets to that final stage, Israel will bomb whatever facilities they have to. Another worry is just what Iran has received in exchange for the weapons it has supplied to Russia? Would nuclear technology be part of that exchange? I'm willing to bet it is. "Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed." - Iran will not attack Israel directly with troops. They leave the hard work to others (Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Syria etc), the puppets. Iran is just the puppet master. "But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles." - That is just ballistic weapons. "My bet is they will sit on their hands." - No they won't. They are quite happy to see civilians being killed in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen etc if helps to promote their ideological and barbaric war on the Jewish people. They supply the weaponry to arm their useful idiots in the ME. There is a lot of evidence on building centrifuges, but precious little else. As far as "sitting on their hands": Their allies and proxies are being systematically destroyed by Israel, and they have done nothing. My bet is they will do nothing, because the consequences if they came directly involved would be devastating for Iran, as a country. The people of Iran don't want it, even if the loonies in their government, an oxymoron if ever there was one, have itchy fingers
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 9:52:45 GMT
"Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons?" - There is a lot of evidence that they are very close to having nuclear weapons. I do believe that the Israelis are on top of things though, and as soon as Iran gets to that final stage, Israel will bomb whatever facilities they have to. Another worry is just what Iran has received in exchange for the weapons it has supplied to Russia? Would nuclear technology be part of that exchange? I'm willing to bet it is. "Plus the geography. The only way that Iran could directly attack Israel other than by missiles is movement of troops and equipment through Iraq into Syria. Can't see the Israelis letting that happen unscathed." - Iran will not attack Israel directly with troops. They leave the hard work to others (Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Syria etc), the puppets. Iran is just the puppet master. "But they do have a large inventory, 3000 plus, of ballistic missiles." - That is just ballistic weapons. "My bet is they will sit on their hands." - No they won't. They are quite happy to see civilians being killed in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen etc if helps to promote their ideological and barbaric war on the Jewish people. They supply the weaponry to arm their useful idiots in the ME. Would Putin sanction the transfer of nuclear technology? I'm not sure he would give them the final pieces of the jigsaw as that puts a nuclear armed country to their south, irregardless of his current desperation for friends and support. I can see civil nuclear support, but not for a nuclear bomb. Precisely. The last thing Putin needs is an Islamic State become a nuclear state just across the Caspian. One that has borders with Azerbaijan and Armenia, where he also has problems
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Post by alftupper on Sept 30, 2024 17:25:37 GMT
We do indeed Alf. But I do not think that Iran would use a nuclear device. The hate the USA are are very wary, knowing that the USA would quite happily attack Iran to defend Israel. And by default the UK would probably be there as well. And Netanyahu knows that too, but I think at present he is really trying the patience of his USA backers. I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Depends what their intentions are. Do you think we should just look the other way, until Iran goes from not having a nuclear bomb, to having a nuclear bomb?
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 30, 2024 18:19:08 GMT
Assassinated Hamas leader in Lebanon ‘worked undercover as teacher for UN’ Fateh Sharif was responsible for coordinating relations between Hamas and Hezbollah, Israeli military officials have said
Terrorists working for the un 🙄🙄🙄
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 18:38:11 GMT
I don't find the current issues "interesting" more frightening. Is there any evidence that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? If they don't then it is a redundant argument. Depends what their intentions are. Do you think we should just look the other way, until Iran goes from not having a nuclear bomb, to having a nuclear bomb? But which State has the right to determine another State's energy policy? Which State has the right to impose a regime, one they favour, on another State?
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 30, 2024 19:27:19 GMT
We're now hearing from UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy on the situation in Israel and Lebanon.i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/27/09/90166419-13897669-Secretary_of_State_for_Foreign_Commonwealth_and_Development_Affa-a-78_1727427234151.jpgLammy says he's just spoken to US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and that both of them agree "the best way forward" is an immediate ceasefire and reaching a "political solution". He urges UK nationals to leave Lebanon, saying help has been provided already to do this, such as getting people on to flights. Lammy adds that plans are in place to help British nationals leave the country but that the UK cannot "anticipate" the circumstances if things "escalate in the coming hours and days". David Lammy now says he spoke with Iran's foreign minister last week and urged the country to show "restraint". "As you would expect, over the coming hours we will continue to be in touch with Iran." As a reminder, Hezbollah - which is designated as a terrorist organisation by Western states, Israel and Gulf Arab states - is backed by Iran. Speaking about the death of Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah, Lammy says he doesn't "mourn the death of the head of a proscribed terrorist organisation, but I do mourn the civilians that have lost their lives in the bloodshed over the last few days". He says this is why countries have come together and are calling for an "immediate ceasefire" and a "political solution" for Israelis to return to their homes in northern Israel and for Lebanese people to return home in southern Lebanon.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 30, 2024 20:04:30 GMT
It's started, I wonder if our contingency plans will now come into effect.
We've based ships, planes and troops nearby for an evacuation operation if needed.
Would have to coordinate with Isreal, US and Lebanon. Not easy.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 30, 2024 20:09:34 GMT
It's started, I wonder if our contingency plans will now come into effect. We've based ships, planes and troops nearby for an evacuation operation if needed. Would have to coordinate with Isreal, US and Lebanon. Not easy. No doubt our eyes and ears bases on Cyprus will know a lot about what is going on. Time to get ready for rapid escalation!
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Post by alftupper on Oct 1, 2024 6:48:48 GMT
Depends what their intentions are. Do you think we should just look the other way, until Iran goes from not having a nuclear bomb, to having a nuclear bomb? But which State has the right to determine another State's energy policy? Which State has the right to impose a regime, one they favour, on another State? If Iran is developing it`s nuclear capability, solely with the aim of providing energy for their people, then all well and good. If their aims are more sinister, then Israel will know about it, and I suspect that anyone living near the nuclear sites will be receiving a letter from the IDF, suggesting that they might like to relocate to a different part of the country. I agree absolutely with your second sentence, and I`m sure that we`d both like to see Iran withdraw all support for Hezbollah, and just forget about Israel.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 1, 2024 7:12:55 GMT
It's started, I wonder if our contingency plans will now come into effect. We've based ships, planes and troops nearby for an evacuation operation if needed. Would have to coordinate with Isreal, US and Lebanon. Not easy. No doubt our eyes and ears bases on Cyprus will know a lot about what is going on. Time to get ready for rapid escalation! Friends of mine have been flying out to Cyprus for the last week. We are ready to do what we have to do.
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