Palestinians

Based on what? See my response to your other post above.

My lived life

Well, something divides our opinions, what do you think it is?

Honesty? Awareness? Good-heartedness? Experience?

Maybe all of the above?

Ok
Well yes, I am a lot older than you. I am 72. And yes I have lived and worked abroad, in Iran and in the USA. I have also travelled extensively for work.

The exasperation you talk about with immigrants to this country?
I have heard exactly the same said about us, the Brits. I know so many on here don't want to hear it, but our colonialist history and the scars we left are now coming home to roost.

Oldie,for once I agree with you.

We have done alot of good,we are a good nation, but we have been b'stards during our nations history and I agree it is coming home in some regards.

Absolutely no justification for the Islamication of our country.
Nor the imported crime wave.
We must'nt lose sight of that.

The points you made Oldie " carve up of Indian sub continent" eg,there will be historians that would probably argue against your point of view.

Until Blairs Government, was'nt immigration controlled, it happened at a sensible tempo?
Then Blair made the bloody awful mistake of allowing immigration to speed up and crash into an awful mess.

The UK and West are under a real and serious threat.So,frankly,I could'nt give a f*** about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and GBs role.Etc.

We are where we are and Islam must be stopped.

If you don't understand how we got to this place, this position, how on earth can you resolve it?

The thing is it is the "blow hard" language from the likes of people like you who are actually a barrier to resolving the problems.

I knew we both started going to Eastville in 1963 but it seems we have a lot more in common than I thought. Our family shared a cottage with my grandmother for the first seven years of my life before moving a hundred yards  up the street to a council house. My Mum was born in the cottage in 1926 and died in the council house 69 years later and she never lived anywhere else but “ our street”. My two sons are now US citizens ( dual) as I’m sure yours are and they had to sign up to be available for military service but thankfully are now past the age where a call up is mandatory.

I agree with your analysis of the historical reasons for the problems in the Middle East and think it boils down to backing the wrong people. The world has poured massive amounts of money into the region in an attempt to solve the problem but it’s gone to the wrong kind of people and been spent in the wrong way. 

An Israeli spokesman once talked about what a wonderful place Gaza could have been if the money it received from the West had been used sensibly rather than falling into corrupt hands. It has a wonderful position on the shores of the Mediterranean with potential for tourism and trade and could have become a new Singapore but for the corruption. And it was this corruption which drove the fed up population, in desperation, to vote for Hamas in 2006. Now their doctrine of hate has been systematically embedded and is spreading far afield, even to the campuses of US colleges and to people who have no idea of the history or the reasons for the conflict but who see this hate and aggression as some kind of fashionable leisure pursuit.

For many years there was a huge amount of hate and aggression on both sides of the Irish border and I had an insight into this through a friendship with someone who was very close to John Hume and Seamus Mallon. About 40 years ago he gave me a very accurate assessment of how the Northern Ireland conflict would be resolved and said it all depended on prosperity. He said if the people felt they were prospering then they would reject extremism and on the whole I think he’s been proven right. Prosperity is usually taken to relate to financial well-being but the true definition is much wider than that and would include things like “ being successful” “ thriving” and “ flourishing” which can all be accomplished without a hint of money being involved. I think instilling a sense of prosperity in the people of the Middle East is the key to eliminating extremism.