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Post by oldie on Jan 4, 2024 12:07:34 GMT
Imagine the uproar if a memorial service was targeted in the UK or USA which killed over 100 people. "The explosions came at a memorial ceremony in Iran marking the fourth anniversary of the killing of Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds force, and it was not clear whether either of Suleimani’s principal regional adversaries – Israel or Islamic State – were responsible for the carnage. Iran’s new minister of interior, the hardliner Ahmad Vahidi, did not immediately attribute blame for the attack and no side claimed responsibility for the deadliest single terrorist incident since the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The US state department said it had no reason to believe Israel was involved." The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US. "The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US." Although internal opposition to the Fascist Theocracy is strong internally in Iran it is not organised and does not have the wherewithal to do this. MOSSAD/CIA, written all over it. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 4, 2024 12:53:26 GMT
"The explosions came at a memorial ceremony in Iran marking the fourth anniversary of the killing of Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds force, and it was not clear whether either of Suleimani’s principal regional adversaries – Israel or Islamic State – were responsible for the carnage. Iran’s new minister of interior, the hardliner Ahmad Vahidi, did not immediately attribute blame for the attack and no side claimed responsibility for the deadliest single terrorist incident since the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The US state department said it had no reason to believe Israel was involved." The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US. "The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US." Although internal opposition to the Fascist Theocracy is strong internally in Iran it is not organised and does not have the wherewithal to do this. MOSSAD/CIA, written all over it. In your assumption that is.. .. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 4, 2024 14:19:58 GMT
"The explosions came at a memorial ceremony in Iran marking the fourth anniversary of the killing of Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds force, and it was not clear whether either of Suleimani’s principal regional adversaries – Israel or Islamic State – were responsible for the carnage. Iran’s new minister of interior, the hardliner Ahmad Vahidi, did not immediately attribute blame for the attack and no side claimed responsibility for the deadliest single terrorist incident since the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The US state department said it had no reason to believe Israel was involved." The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US. "The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US." Although internal opposition to the Fascist Theocracy is strong internally in Iran it is not organised and does not have the wherewithal to do this. MOSSAD/CIA, written all over it. Sorry Oldie, but that is nonsense. There is no valid reason whatsoever for Israel or the US to do this. It didn't tick any boxes. Intelligence services tend not to commit these sorts of actions as it could possibly expose their operatives/contacts/methods locally. They tend to only act when they really have to. A bomb at a memorial service is just not the sort of thing they would engage in. There is no tangible benefit. |
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Post by trymer on Jan 4, 2024 15:22:26 GMT
A top Hamas official assassinated in Lebanon now 100 + people killed in a bombing at a memorial service in Iran,slowly but surely this war is spreading across the region. Iran has been spreading "this war" across the region for years. True, and I wonder if Iran (encouraged by Russia ?) is waging economic warfare on the West by telling the houthi rebels to close the Red sea to shipping, the cost of ships sailing around Africa will raise prices and cause inflation. |
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Post by L on Jan 4, 2024 21:22:58 GMT
"The explosions came at a memorial ceremony in Iran marking the fourth anniversary of the killing of Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds force, and it was not clear whether either of Suleimani’s principal regional adversaries – Israel or Islamic State – were responsible for the carnage. Iran’s new minister of interior, the hardliner Ahmad Vahidi, did not immediately attribute blame for the attack and no side claimed responsibility for the deadliest single terrorist incident since the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The US state department said it had no reason to believe Israel was involved." The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US. "The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US." Although internal opposition to the Fascist Theocracy is strong internally in Iran it is not organised and does not have the wherewithal to do this. MOSSAD/CIA, written all over it. Islamic state claim responsibility for Iran attack , mossad / cia written all over it !!! |
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Post by oldie on Jan 4, 2024 21:39:48 GMT
"The likeliest answer is that it was home-grown opposition to the Iranian regime. There is no valid reason whatsoever to try to lay the blame on Israel or the US." Although internal opposition to the Fascist Theocracy is strong internally in Iran it is not organised and does not have the wherewithal to do this. MOSSAD/CIA, written all over it. Islamic state claim responsibility for Iran attack , mossad / cia written all over it !!! Love the way two names, the equivalent of John Smith and Jack Jones suddenly appear to fill a vacuum which most were presuming was created by MOSSAD. There is of course a good reason why whatever is left of ISIS hates Iran who were a large part of the ISIS defeat in Syria. As were the Kurds in Iraq, who we rewarded by selling them out to the Turks. All of that is a bit inconvenient to the Americans of course. As is the nature of the horrors unfolding in the Middle East we may never truly know, either way. But if you want an insight to current ISIS capabilities, this review back in August is a good place to start. www.npr.org/2023/08/04/1192245987/where-is-isis-today |
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Post by L on Jan 4, 2024 22:08:45 GMT
Met police investigating war crimes in Palestine , putting up posters in London asking if anyone has any information on any crimes , wtf , same lot took down posters of Israeli hostages
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Post by trymer on Jan 5, 2024 9:17:36 GMT
Met police investigating war crimes in Palestine , putting up posters in London asking if anyone has any information on any crimes , wtf , same lot took down posters of Israeli hostages Bombing civilian areas is a war crime in my opinion and it doesnt matter who does it. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 5, 2024 9:27:29 GMT
Met police investigating war crimes in Palestine , putting up posters in London asking if anyone has any information on any crimes , wtf , same lot took down posters of Israeli hostages Bombing civilian areas is a war crime in my opinion and it doesnt matter who does it. Define what is a civilian area. |
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Post by trymer on Jan 5, 2024 9:40:34 GMT
Bombing civilian areas is a war crime in my opinion and it doesnt matter who does it. Define what is a civilian area. Residential,hospitals..... Docks,transport infrastructure or military bases installations are legitimate targets..... I know that terrorist groups hide in civilian areas and thats a problem. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 5, 2024 12:40:04 GMT
Met police investigating war crimes in Palestine , putting up posters in London asking if anyone has any information on any crimes , wtf , same lot took down posters of Israeli hostages [b Bombing civilian areas is a war crime in my opinion and it doesnt matter who does it. Not heard any mention of them investigating / putting up posters asking for info on war crimes in Ukraine or any other war ( there’s plenty others going on ) , Can’t remember the met police investigating Tony Blair for war crimes I personally don’t think it should come under there remit to investigate war crimes , but if it is , then all war crimes should be investigated , a Ukrainian life is as important as a Palestinian ,is the person in Sudan , urgurs , Syrians less important And as for spending time putting up posters , I’d suggest there’s better uses of there time , |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 30, 2024 6:31:04 GMT
10 unrwa staff sacked for assisting hamas , one a school teacher , another assisted in bringing a male hostage to Gaza & distributing ammunition , no more than lots of us said , great funding has been withdrawn by uk , no way should we be supporting terrorist organisations
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 3, 2024 9:54:38 GMT
Define what is a civilian area. Residential,hospitals..... Docks,transport infrastructure or military bases installations are legitimate targets..... I know that terrorist groups hide in civilian areas and thats a problem. It's an interesting and appalling question. Large hospital, housing tiny Hamas operation. Sounds like a civilian target. Tiny hospital, housing large Hamas operation. Sounds like a legitimate target. And all sorts of shades of grey inbetween. Horrendous for anyone to have to make the call. I don't believe the IDF are indiscriminate, otherwise the Gaza strip would have been flattened months ago. If Hamas hadn't slaughtered 1200 innocent people on October 7th, I guess they wouldn't have been forced into making these life and death calls. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 3, 2024 10:44:46 GMT
Residential,hospitals..... Docks,transport infrastructure or military bases installations are legitimate targets..... I know that terrorist groups hide in civilian areas and thats a problem. It's an interesting and appalling question. Large hospital, housing tiny Hamas operation. Sounds like a civilian target. Tiny hospital, housing large Hamas operation. Sounds like a legitimate target. And all sorts of shades of grey inbetween. Horrendous for anyone to have to make the call. I don't believe the IDF are indiscriminate, otherwise the Gaza strip would have been flattened months ago. If Hamas hadn't slaughtered 1200 innocent people on October 7th, I guess they wouldn't have been forced into making these life and death calls. True But on the other side of that same coin if Israeli settlers had not forced themselves onto Palestinian lands after 1967, if Palestinians had not been treated as 2nd class citizens, (I call it Apartheid), if Palestinians had not been slaughtered in refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 by Christian Militias supported by the IDF under the command of Ariel Sharon then perhaps, just perhaps, the lunatic extremists within HAMAS would not have had the Oxygen they needed to grow into the cancer that they are. Actions, sometimes inaction, have consequences. I shudder at the consequences of the bombings carried out in Iraq and Syria yesterday. |
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 4, 2024 7:16:24 GMT
It's an interesting and appalling question. Large hospital, housing tiny Hamas operation. Sounds like a civilian target. Tiny hospital, housing large Hamas operation. Sounds like a legitimate target. And all sorts of shades of grey inbetween. Horrendous for anyone to have to make the call. I don't believe the IDF are indiscriminate, otherwise the Gaza strip would have been flattened months ago. If Hamas hadn't slaughtered 1200 innocent people on October 7th, I guess they wouldn't have been forced into making these life and death calls. True But on the other side of that same coin if Israeli settlers had not forced themselves onto Palestinian lands after 1967, if Palestinians had not been treated as 2nd class citizens, (I call it Apartheid), if Palestinians had not been slaughtered in refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 by Christian Militias supported by the IDF under the command of Ariel Sharon then perhaps, just perhaps, the lunatic extremists within HAMAS would not have had the Oxygen they needed to grow into the cancer that they are. Actions, sometimes inaction, have consequences. I shudder at the consequences of the bombings carried out in Iraq and Syria yesterday. You shudder at the consequences? Why , Iranian terrorists killed 3 Americans , what did they think would happen ? Great we’re backing the USA , seeing those typhoons taking off was impressive, rule Britannia |
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 4, 2024 9:24:53 GMT
True But on the other side of that same coin if Israeli settlers had not forced themselves onto Palestinian lands after 1967, if Palestinians had not been treated as 2nd class citizens, (I call it Apartheid), if Palestinians had not been slaughtered in refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 by Christian Militias supported by the IDF under the command of Ariel Sharon then perhaps, just perhaps, the lunatic extremists within HAMAS would not have had the Oxygen they needed to grow into the cancer that they are. Actions, sometimes inaction, have consequences. I shudder at the consequences of the bombings carried out in Iraq and Syria yesterday. You shudder at the consequences? Why , Iranian terrorists killed 3 Americans , what did they think would happen ? Great we’re backing the USA , seeing those typhoons taking off was impressive, rule Britannia Yes, I agree. Are we supposed to accept that Iran are spreading death and destruction everywhere they can? Why does Oldie think that he should shudder at the consequences? Why isn't he shuddering at Iran, who have instigated all of this? As Oldie said, actions have consequences. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 4, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
True But on the other side of that same coin if Israeli settlers had not forced themselves onto Palestinian lands after 1967, if Palestinians had not been treated as 2nd class citizens, (I call it Apartheid), if Palestinians had not been slaughtered in refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 by Christian Militias supported by the IDF under the command of Ariel Sharon then perhaps, just perhaps, the lunatic extremists within HAMAS would not have had the Oxygen they needed to grow into the cancer that they are. Actions, sometimes inaction, have consequences. I shudder at the consequences of the bombings carried out in Iraq and Syria yesterday. You shudder at the consequences? Why , Iranian terrorists killed 3 Americans , what did they think would happen ? Great we’re backing the USA , seeing those typhoons taking off was impressive, rule Britannia That, those comments, would be embarrassing if spoken by a 16 year old, let alone by an adult. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 4, 2024 10:02:33 GMT
You shudder at the consequences? Why , Iranian terrorists killed 3 Americans , what did they think would happen ? Great we’re backing the USA , seeing those typhoons taking off was impressive, rule Britannia Yes, I agree. Are we supposed to accept that Iran are spreading death and destruction everywhere they can? Why does Oldie think that he should shudder at the consequences? Why isn't he shuddering at Iran, who have instigated all of this? As Oldie said, actions have consequences. Adding layer upon layer of violence is a classic zero sum game. In this instance unless the root causes are addressed then this continues and thousands more will lose their lives. |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 4, 2024 10:11:59 GMT
It's an interesting and appalling question. Large hospital, housing tiny Hamas operation. Sounds like a civilian target. Tiny hospital, housing large Hamas operation. Sounds like a legitimate target. And all sorts of shades of grey inbetween. Horrendous for anyone to have to make the call. I don't believe the IDF are indiscriminate, otherwise the Gaza strip would have been flattened months ago. If Hamas hadn't slaughtered 1200 innocent people on October 7th, I guess they wouldn't have been forced into making these life and death calls. True But on the other side of that same coin if Israeli settlers had not forced themselves onto Palestinian lands after 1967, if Palestinians had not been treated as 2nd class citizens, (I call it Apartheid), if Palestinians had not been slaughtered in refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 by Christian Militias supported by the IDF under the command of Ariel Sharon then perhaps, just perhaps, the lunatic extremists within HAMAS would not have had the Oxygen they needed to grow into the cancer that they are. Actions, sometimes inaction, have consequences. I shudder at the consequences of the bombings carried out in Iraq and Syria yesterday. I am not here to defend previous Israeli atrocities. I abhor what they are still doing in the West Bank. But post 2020 and the Abraham accord there was a period where genuine progress had been made between Israel and it's Arab neighbours. This is when negotiation 'could' have resulted in peace and a better life for Palestinians. Even a two state solution was on the table. This is now all in tatters. The finger points at Iran and it's backing of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi rebels and bombing of the US base. What do they gain from all this? Unless that regime is driven by fanatical religious lunatics. "Death to the infidels". Obviously the west HAS to react. To appear weak now will embolden Iran. |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 4, 2024 10:14:49 GMT
Yes, I agree. Are we supposed to accept that Iran are spreading death and destruction everywhere they can? Why does Oldie think that he should shudder at the consequences? Why isn't he shuddering at Iran, who have instigated all of this? As Oldie said, actions have consequences. Adding layer upon layer of violence is a classic zero sum game. In this instance unless the root causes are addressed then this continues and thousands more will lose their lives. The root causes had a chance of being addressed (see my recent comment). Iran just blew that all up. Literally. Further Iranian violence WILL beget more violence. |
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