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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 19:44:12 GMT
Oh I do...I just wonder if you like to read stuff as you want to think it's written Nor sure I've understood your thoughts here. You mentioned the words apparently and seemingly, which means you don't know. So Oldie is correct in saying you can't know that. It's beyond belief Baldrick sometimes...where do these people emerge from? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 19:45:21 GMT
I really donāt think you can compare the famine in Ireland of 1845 to 1852 where one million of its' citizens died of starvation and disease, and a further million fled the country with 100,000 dying on the "coffin" ships and many being fed to the sharks to what is occurring today in the UK and Ireland. Many of these who fled to the UK faced racism and were attacked just for being Catholic. The Irish who left in the 80/90s went to the UK for work, my wife being one of them. She arrived in London on the Saturday and started work the following Wednesday paying her UK taxes etc and until we left for France in 2007 she never claimed 1p in benefits. Now compare that to those rocking up on our shores and crossing the border from the North into the Republic of Ireland . Many are fleeing war (Syria, Afghanistan) and climate change (Horn of Africa). Yeah But they may not be white... |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 20, 2024 20:41:31 GMT
Oh I do...I just wonder if you like to read stuff as you want to think it's written Nor sure I've understood your thoughts here. You mentioned the words apparently and seemingly, which means you don't know. So Oldie is correct in saying you can't know that. There is no ' apparently ' read it again Oldie MK2 |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 20, 2024 20:44:17 GMT
Nor sure I've understood your thoughts here. You mentioned the words apparently and seemingly, which means you don't know. So Oldie is correct in saying you can't know that. It's beyond belief Baldrick sometimes...where do these people emerge from? Again..read it as you like...there is NO 'apparently' ..where do you dyslexic peoples cumfrome..š¤ |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 20, 2024 20:50:17 GMT
Nor sure I've understood your thoughts here. You mentioned the words apparently and seemingly, which means you don't know. So Oldie is correct in saying you can't know that. There is no ' apparently ' read it again Oldie MK2 Okay, it's "apparent" and the "seemingly" still stands. Oh, and Oldie is baldrick mk2. š |
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Post by francegas on Sept 20, 2024 21:16:30 GMT
I'm certainly not anti immigration. I, just like many others, believe in controlled immigration. We should know exactly who is coming into the country, where they have come from with a full background/criminal check, where they will be living/working. I would also expect them to integrate into society. Is that really too much to ask for? Unlike those who land on our shores illegally, who throw their papers into the channel so we have no idea who they are etc. How "controlled" is the movement between Eire and the UK? Or is it an open border? It's an open border, which no doubt you are fully aware of. I don't understand your point. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2024 23:27:38 GMT
Really?! You believe that they come half way round the world for our wonderful benefits which are less than other countries they would have crossed. Most of them want to work. That is why it has been stupid to let them languish for 3 years in a hotel while our broken system tries to sort out their applications. Sort the applications quickly. Let them work to cover their accommodation while that's happening, and pay tax. Then let them stay or fail them and send them back. It's not rocket science. Just re- read the last paragraph of francegas' post..why and what is the reason for that if you are looking for a new start in life?Surely if you have your REAL ID then things like ' work' can be achieved that much quicker So you and francegas automatically assume if someone has no documentation that they have thrown it away. Why do you assume they had documentation in the first place? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 21, 2024 4:41:50 GMT
How "controlled" is the movement between Eire and the UK? Or is it an open border? It's an open border, which no doubt you are fully aware of. I don't understand your point. Just that you are contradicting yourself "I, just like many others, believe in controlled immigration." |
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Post by francegas on Sept 21, 2024 7:18:52 GMT
Just re- read the last paragraph of francegas' post..why and what is the reason for that if you are looking for a new start in life?Surely if you have your REAL ID then things like ' work' can be achieved that much quicker So you and francegas automatically assume if someone has no documentation that they have thrown it away. Why do you assume they had documentation in the first place? |
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Post by francegas on Sept 21, 2024 7:33:21 GMT
Just re- read the last paragraph of francegas' post..why and what is the reason for that if you are looking for a new start in life?Surely if you have your REAL ID then things like ' work' can be achieved that much quicker So you and francegas automatically assume if someone has no documentation that they have thrown it away. Why do you assume they had documentation in the first place? Meanwhile in Dublin GardaĆ have also begun meeting passengers at the bottom of aircraft steps at Dublin Airport to check their passports and details. It is understood this is happening twice a week. The move was prompted by figures showing that 40 per cent, or more than 5,000 people, who applied for international protection last year either lost or destroyed their travel documents before arriving at Irish immigration control. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 21, 2024 8:23:02 GMT
So you and francegas automatically assume if someone has no documentation that they have thrown it away. Why do you assume they had documentation in the first place? Meanwhile in Dublin GardaĆ have also begun meeting passengers at the bottom of aircraft steps at Dublin Airport to check their passports and details. It is understood this is happening twice a week. The move was prompted by figures showing that 40 per cent, or more than 5,000 people, who applied for international protection last year either lost or destroyed their travel documents before arriving at Irish immigration control. Should we do the same in the UK for people arriving from Dublin? |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 21, 2024 8:31:28 GMT
Meanwhile in Dublin GardaĆ have also begun meeting passengers at the bottom of aircraft steps at Dublin Airport to check their passports and details. It is understood this is happening twice a week. The move was prompted by figures showing that 40 per cent, or more than 5,000 people, who applied for international protection last year either lost or destroyed their travel documents before arriving at Irish immigration control. Should we do the same in the UK for people arriving from Dublin? We should stop illegal immigration on all routes into the UK. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 21, 2024 10:50:10 GMT
Should we do the same in the UK for people arriving from Dublin? We should stop illegal immigration on all routes into the UK. So stop free movement from Dublin? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 11:12:14 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. RepatriationĀ 5. Deportations |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 11:32:00 GMT
Should we do the same in the UK for people arriving from Dublin? We should stop illegal immigration on all routes into the UK. As has been stated on here before, legal immigration is a far bigger problem in terms of housing, and putting pressure on our systems like - NHS, Transportation etc.. then illegal immigrants are. But there is NO REASON why, someone should be able to get on a boat in France, or elsewhere in Europe, and be allowed entrance to the UK just because they got here on a boat.And it's not Racist,or fascist to say this. - It logic! We have boundaries and boarder's for a reason in order to define countries. We have locks on the individual properties that we own, or rent for the same reason. These illegal immigrants that we are just letting into this country is just like any of us basically letting any stranger in from on the street,and being able to enter our individual home's freely due to us leaving our front doors open for anyone free to enter. If anyone thinks it's ok for these illegals to enter our country as they are,then I challenge you to take the locks off your front doors. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 21, 2024 16:28:54 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. RepatriationĀ 5. Deportations Sending immigrants back home, with or without their consent, because they are changing our country. And replacing them with 'proper' British people? Is that the sort of thing you're suggesting? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 16:59:12 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. RepatriationĀ 5. Deportations Sending immigrants back home, with or without their consent, because they are changing our country. And replacing them with 'proper' British people? Is that the sort of thing you're suggesting? Stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that? |
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Post by aghast on Sept 21, 2024 17:02:25 GMT
Sending immigrants back home, with or without their consent, because they are changing our country. And replacing them with 'proper' British people? Is that the sort of thing you're suggesting? Stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that? Just a couple of posts above? Or what did you mean? I did ask. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 21, 2024 17:03:25 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. RepatriationĀ 5. Deportations You don't subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory do you? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 17:30:24 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. RepatriationĀ 5. Deportations You don't subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory do you? I'm not going to say it's a conspiracy,as in parts of the country it's happening, so there is an element of fact to it. Look at the demographics of London alone for example and how it's changed over the past 20 years. But on the other hand, I do not say that I believe in it from my starting position. Is it intentional ..I'm not sure. But is it happening, without question. |
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