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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 17:35:08 GMT
Stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that? Just a couple of posts above? Or what did you mean? I did ask. First off, anyone here illegally yes, straight away. Regardless of if they have been housed in a hotel for the past year,or whether they come here tomorrow on a dingy. Not welcome, off. I say that for our country's safety alone. There are proper channels to follow, and the English one isn't one of them. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 21, 2024 17:50:35 GMT
Just a couple of posts above? Or what did you mean? I did ask. First off, anyone here illegally yes, straight away. Regardless of if they have been housed in a hotel for the past year,or whether they come here tomorrow on a dingy. Not welcome, off. I say that for our country's safety alone. There are proper channels to follow, and the English one isn't one of them. What are the proper channels? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 18:12:44 GMT
First off, anyone here illegally yes, straight away. Regardless of if they have been housed in a hotel for the past year,or whether they come here tomorrow on a dingy. Not welcome, off. I say that for our country's safety alone. There are proper channels to follow, and the English one isn't one of them. What are the proper channels? Why do people on here always ask the same repetitive questions when someone challenges immigration? Baldrick, you are not stupid and know the answer. But to humour you...let me go with the legal way? Other wise it's called squatting via forceful entry. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 21, 2024 19:52:38 GMT
What are the proper channels? Why do people on here always ask the same repetitive questions when someone challenges immigration? Baldrick, you are not stupid and know the answer. But to humour you...let me go with the legal way? Other wise it's called squatting via forceful entry. That's the same answer written differently. Whenever someone is asked how, the response is "the legal way". However when pressed, no-one has been able to explain what the legal way is. Even Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have failed to give a response. How can a migrant or asylum seeker legally apply to the UK? |
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 21, 2024 20:13:59 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. Repatriation 5. Deportations You don't subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory do you? I could do with a good laugh, what's The Great Replacement conspiracy? |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 21, 2024 20:32:19 GMT
You don't subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory do you? I could do with a good laugh, what's The Great Replacement conspiracy? It's the idea that immigrants are deliberately brought in by the 'elite' to dilute, supplant and then replace the white populations of Europe and also majority white countries like Australia and the US. Not too dissimilar to the White Genocide theory. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 20:42:51 GMT
Why do people on here always ask the same repetitive questions when someone challenges immigration? Baldrick, you are not stupid and know the answer. But to humour you...let me go with the legal way? Other wise it's called squatting via forceful entry. That's the same answer written differently. Whenever someone is asked how, the response is "the legal way". However when pressed, no-one has been able to explain what the legal way is. Even Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have failed to give a response. How can a migrant or asylum seeker legally apply to the UK? I'm not a politician, obviously..so it's not my opportunity to give you the legal literature to define the answer you are looking for, as I simply don't have it. I'm sorry,I'm not getting pigeon holed by saying something that I don't believe, or know. However, I don't need it, as we have laws for the port of entry to this country, we have passports for a reason - ask Tommy Robinson once he re- enters the country next month if this is the case! So are you suggesting that we have to take any person in a dingy floating across intentionally the English channel into this country? And Btw, they are not victims here, they have crossed and travelled between many safe countries to get to dover! If so, I'm gunna pitch up to your gaff and burst through you front door, eat your food, drink your beer and sleep in your bed. How is one right? And the other against the law even though both are crimes? |
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Post by aghast on Sept 21, 2024 22:04:07 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. Repatriation 5. Deportations Not sure we're getting too far on this at the moment. It was your post; you wrote it and presumably want people to read it. So could you explain to me and possibly others what each category refers to? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2024 22:07:42 GMT
People should be discussing: 1. The Great Replacement 2. Replacement migration 3. Re-immigration 4. Repatriation 5. Deportations Not sure we're getting too far on this at the moment. It was your post; you wrote it and presumably want people to read it. So could you explain to me and possibly others what each category refers to? I don't need to... nor do I want to, as they are very self explanatory if you want to have an open minded debate. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 21, 2024 22:19:36 GMT
Not sure we're getting too far on this at the moment. It was your post; you wrote it and presumably want people to read it. So could you explain to me and possibly others what each category refers to? I don't need to... nor do I want to, as they are very self explanatory if you want to have an open minded debate. I do want to have an open minded debate, but five words or phrases with no explanation or elaboration are difficult to debate. So a little more detail about what you refer to would be helpful. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 21, 2024 23:30:18 GMT
That's the same answer written differently. Whenever someone is asked how, the response is "the legal way". However when pressed, no-one has been able to explain what the legal way is. Even Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have failed to give a response. How can a migrant or asylum seeker legally apply to the UK? I'm not a politician, obviously..so it's not my opportunity to give you the legal literature to define the answer you are looking for, as I simply don't have it. I'm sorry,I'm not getting pigeon holed by saying something that I don't believe, or know. However, I don't need it, as we have laws for the port of entry to this country, we have passports for a reason - ask Tommy Robinson once he re- enters the country next month if this is the case! So are you suggesting that we have to take any person in a dingy floating across intentionally the English channel into this country? And Btw, they are not victims here, they have crossed and travelled between many safe countries to get to dover! If so, I'm gunna pitch up to your gaff and burst through you front door, eat your food, drink your beer and sleep in your bed. How is one right? And the other against the law even though both are crimes? Hope you aren't getting wound up, that's not my intention. There are no legal routes to claim asylum in the UK outside of a few very narrow programmes. Feel free to have a read of this link for a fuller explanation. www.rescue.org/uk/article/what-are-safe-routes-refugees-four-common-myths-explainedSo what I am saying is that if the answer is "safe and legal routes" what are these. Politicians blithely state they exist without ever being able to articulate past that, which is because they want you to just accept it rather than ask difficult questions. I suspect we both know why. I don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry to be accepted, I accept we can accept some or help those closer to the problem to deal with the source better. Nor am I naive enough to think we can stop it. Slow it, process quicker, then properly integrate or deport as appropriate. Stopping it is for the birds, don't believe anyone suggesting otherwise. Your analogy is flawed in that it presupposes their motivations, I would contest that most want to work (it's easier as we don't have a national ID card for example) or join family. Many may not even know as the smugglers are in control. Some want to come here because they believe we are a great country, something to be proud of. www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/5-reasons-people-cross-the-channel#:~:text=It%20is%20much%20easier%20for,jobs%2C%20and%20family%20%E2%80%93%20behind. www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/the-truth-about-asylum/www.rescue.org/uk/article/7-reasons-people-risk-their-lives-cross-channel-small-boats |
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2024 9:09:03 GMT
You don't subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory do you? I could do with a good laugh, what's The Great Replacement conspiracy? Oh please, Can we have a definition of this? I too would enjoy a good laugh |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 22, 2024 10:21:25 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2024 10:39:37 GMT
Trust you to interrupt. The question is aimed at the people who quote it and for them to justify the claim. Of course your post might have been almost interesting if you had expressed an opinion... |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 22, 2024 10:56:54 GMT
Trust you to interrupt. The question is aimed at the people who quote it and for them to justify the claim. Of course your post might have been almost interesting if you had expressed an opinion... Les, Trust you to give the usual banal, uninteresting and of course lacking in originality as it is the same with every post that you reply to. Les, Sunday roast is awaiting, being dished up right now and home made rice pudding with a dollop of jam for afters.. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 22, 2024 18:09:31 GMT
I don't need to... nor do I want to, as they are very self explanatory if you want to have an open minded debate. I do want to have an open minded debate, but five words or phrases with no explanation or elaboration are difficult to debate. So a little more detail about what you refer to would be helpful. No answer icegas? You just want to put random words on the forum with no explanation? Or maybe you're a bit hesitant to spell it out? The latter I believe. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 22, 2024 19:27:01 GMT
Windrush scandal Part II? From the Guardian:
"A Polish man who has lived in the UK since he was seven has been granted a last-minute reprieve after facing deportation because officials said he had not provided enough proof of living in the country for the last 20 years.
Officials were planning to remove Mateusz Kulik to Poland on Monday morning despite the fact he completed primary and secondary education in Britain as well as a college course in travel and tourism. He pays tax in the UK and works for a transport company completing customs documents for goods exported from Britain to EU countries. He provided the Home Office with years of school records and bank statements to prove his long residency."
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2024 20:10:29 GMT
I do want to have an open minded debate, but five words or phrases with no explanation or elaboration are difficult to debate. So a little more detail about what you refer to would be helpful. No answer icegas? You just want to put random words on the forum with no explanation? Or maybe you're a bit hesitant to spell it out? The latter I believe. To be fair, he is not the only one is he. There are couple who post up absolute word salads of incomprehensible drivel or cut and paste with some added random links to pictures without comment nor context. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2024 20:12:35 GMT
Windrush scandal Part II? From the Guardian: "A Polish man who has lived in the UK since he was seven has been granted a last-minute reprieve after facing deportation because officials said he had not provided enough proof of living in the country for the last 20 years. Officials were planning to remove Mateusz Kulik to Poland on Monday morning despite the fact he completed primary and secondary education in Britain as well as a college course in travel and tourism. He pays tax in the UK and works for a transport company completing customs documents for goods exported from Britain to EU countries. He provided the Home Office with years of school records and bank statements to prove his long residency." A bit pathetic really. Why are the authorities wasting time and resources on people like this when they have a backlog of actual applications for Asylum? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 22, 2024 20:18:55 GMT
I do want to have an open minded debate, but five words or phrases with no explanation or elaboration are difficult to debate. So a little more detail about what you refer to would be helpful. No answer icegas? You just want to put random words on the forum with no explanation? Or maybe you're a bit hesitant to spell it out? The latter I believe. Lord..🙄 some of us have life's and work 13 hour's a day and only get one day off in the week.. 🖐️ Ive not had time to invest answering "yet" into something that will most probably be ignored by those of you that disagree, which happens alot in here. On another note, the five points I brought up the other day were just my opinion on this that would be valuable to be discussed by people in general. I didn't ask anyone for their opinions on them. |
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