trymer
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Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 19:22:56 GMT
Let them come,give them no money,no accomadation,no papers,spray them with blue indelible dye and let them go...dont let them sleep rough just keep moving them on,anyone employing them gets their business shut down...within a month there wont be any more risking their lives to come here.
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:25:55 GMT
Let them come,give them no money,no accomadation,no papers,spray them with blue indelible dye and let them go...dont let them sleep rough just keep moving them on,anyone employing them gets their business shut down...within a month there wont be any more risking their lives to come here. Then watch that "imported crime wave" soar. Decisions have consequences. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 19:26:27 GMT
It will be perfectly possible to perform the return to France of these illegal immigrants safely.Then the 'law of the sea' is not broken.Right? We've paid the French millions £€,they'll have em back. Oh they won’t, not under the terms you are suggesting. We can sort out the detail with the French easily enough. Done. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:28:22 GMT
Oh they won’t, not under the terms you are suggesting. We can sort out the detail with the French easily enough. Done. How? Be realistic. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 19:29:29 GMT
Let them come,give them no money,no accomadation,no papers,spray them with blue indelible dye and let them go...dont let them sleep rough just keep moving them on,anyone employing them gets their business shut down...within a month there wont be any more risking their lives to come here. Then watch that "imported crime wave" soar. Decisions have consequences. Easy enough to catch and imprison if they are dyed blue. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:31:39 GMT
Then watch that "imported crime wave" soar. Decisions have consequences. Easy enough to catch and imprison if they are dyed blue. After there is a victim and we pay to try and imprison them. Besides which one and how do you know it was one of them in the first place? |
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 19:34:10 GMT
Easy enough to catch and imprison if they are dyed blue. After there is a victim and we pay to try and imprison them. Besides which one and how do you know it was one of them in the first place? Indeed |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 19:34:14 GMT
Easy enough to catch and imprison if they are dyed blue. After there is a victim and we pay to try and imprison them. Besides which one and how do you know it was one of them in the first place? I am sure that people would soon be on the watch for dyed blue people (unless they are as unobservant as Oldie) so I doubt that many crimes would be committed, fingerprints and DNA are not altered by dye. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 19:40:55 GMT
We can sort out the detail with the French easily enough. Done. How? Be realistic. We've already paid the French millions of £s.Negotiations. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:45:58 GMT
After there is a victim and we pay to try and imprison them. Besides which one and how do you know it was one of them in the first place? I am sure that people would soon be on the watch for dyed blue people (unless they are as unobservant as Oldie) so I doubt that many crimes would be committed, fingerprints and DNA are not altered by dye. Fingerprints and DNA isn't conclusive though, only plays a part in the prosecution. If they aren't being housed and fed, what do they do? |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:48:04 GMT
We've already paid the French millions of £s.Negotiations. Negotiations can happen without leaving the ECHR. So you've just spent a fortune in cash and political capital, lose our status as a nation that can be trusted,adheres to the rule of law and lower our own protections just to start again paying France. Nice move. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 19:51:08 GMT
I am sure that people would soon be on the watch for dyed blue people (unless they are as unobservant as Oldie) so I doubt that many crimes would be committed, fingerprints and DNA are not altered by dye. If they aren't being housed and fed, what do they do? Thats their problem isnt it ? they came here, but after seeing their plight there wouldnt be many more coming. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 19:52:22 GMT
I am sure that people would soon be on the watch for dyed blue people (unless they are as unobservant as Oldie) so I doubt that many crimes would be committed, fingerprints and DNA are not altered by dye. Fingerprints and DNA isn't conclusive though, only plays a part in the prosecution. I think that you will find that fingerprints and DNA will secure a prosecution. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
Fingerprints and DNA isn't conclusive though, only plays a part in the prosecution. I think that you will find that fingerprints and DNA will secure a prosecution. Not proof of guilt, though. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 20:08:08 GMT
If they aren't being housed and fed, what do they do? Thats their problem isnt it ? they came here, but after seeing their plight there wouldnt be many more coming. Problems aren't kept in isolation. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 23, 2024 20:12:20 GMT
Let them come,give them no money,no accomadation,no papers,spray them with blue indelible dye and let them go...dont let them sleep rough just keep moving them on,anyone employing them gets their business shut down...within a month there wont be any more risking their lives to come here. Can't they be sprayed red, or pink even ? Maybe other elements of society could be branded according to threat level, JSO would (obviously) be amber. Maybe Reform could incorporate these ideas into their 'contract for the people'. Is this as ridiculous as it sounds ? |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 20:44:25 GMT
We've already paid the French millions of £s.Negotiations. Negotiations can happen without leaving the ECHR. So you've just spent a fortune in cash and political capital, lose our status as a nation that can be trusted,adheres to the rule of law and lower our own protections just to start again paying France. Nice move. Negotiations have already happened. It resulted in us giving the French millions and them doing more or less nothing. A few might have abit of a hissy fit if we left the ECHR,but things would soon settle back down. Chances are European countries would seriously consider doing similar. Let's have a referendum on membership of the ECHR,let the people decide.Can't say fairer than that. What do you reckon Baldrick? |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 20:53:37 GMT
Negotiations can happen without leaving the ECHR. So you've just spent a fortune in cash and political capital, lose our status as a nation that can be trusted,adheres to the rule of law and lower our own protections just to start again paying France. Nice move. Negotiations have already happened. It resulted in us giving the French millions and them doing more or less nothing. A few might have abit of a hissy fit if we left the ECHR,but things would soon settle back down. Chances are European countries would seriously consider doing similar. Let's have a referendum on membership of the ECHR,let the people decide.Can't say fairer than that. What do you reckon Baldrick? So negotiations have already happened and resulted in us giving France lots of cash, but your negotiations will get better results? What would you offer to get that better deal? Edit: Referendum? Only if I can see what the wording we will replace it with. I'm not going to give carte blanche to a politician. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 21:01:29 GMT
Negotiations have already happened. It resulted in us giving the French millions and them doing more or less nothing. A few might have abit of a hissy fit if we left the ECHR,but things would soon settle back down. Chances are European countries would seriously consider doing similar. Let's have a referendum on membership of the ECHR,let the people decide.Can't say fairer than that. What do you reckon Baldrick? So negotiations have already happened and resulted in us giving France lots of cash, but your negotiations will get better results? What would you offer to get that better deal? Edit: Referendum? Only if I can see what the wording we will replace it with. I'm not going to give carte blanche to a politician. Glad we agree a referendum is a good and democratic idea.Yes,of course it would be made 100% clear what was being voted for. I think our attitude would be 'enough is enough',our Royal Navy will be returning these people back to France. The question ought to be,what are they going to do about it? |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 21:10:23 GMT
So negotiations have already happened and resulted in us giving France lots of cash, but your negotiations will get better results? What would you offer to get that better deal? Edit: Referendum? Only if I can see what the wording we will replace it with. I'm not going to give carte blanche to a politician. Glad we agree a referendum is a good and democratic idea.Yes,of course it would be made 100% clear what was being voted for. I think our attitude would be 'enough is enough',our Royal Navy will be returning these people back to France. The question ought to be,what are they going to do about it? No, Bas. It won't do what you think it will do and other international commitments will prevent it. You will not see RN vessels returning migrants to France in the way you envisage. Please stop being naive and believing a snake oil salesman. |
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