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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:11:13 GMT
Why would you want to join Belarus and Russia as the only people outside the ECHR?. You do realise that the ECHR protects the individuals rights against that of the State - YOUR rights! As for Reform, they are like adults who have never played football at any level shouting at a kids football match. They haven't a clue other than shout about immigrants in ways reminiscent of the 1930s. They have shown no funded options to stop migrants other than Ben Habib saying they should be left to drown in the Channel. Very civilised. We are supposed to be better than that. We would write our own human rights act and make human rights judgement ourselves. The ECHR works against us. Oh dear,reference 1930s Germany. Come on,that's ridiculous. Turn the boats back,return to France,same day.Lee Anderson. A referendum on staying in or leaving the ECHR would be a good and fair idea,don't you think? How would a UK only version be worded differently? How do you envisage the boats being forced back? |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 17:27:49 GMT
All part of removing illegal immigrants . Throwing out the baby with the bathwater springs to mind. There are better ways than this. Leave ECHR. Stop immigration. Turn back illegals. Intergrate the immigrants we have,eg begin discussions on a reformation within 'UK Islam' to get rid of the barbaric 7th century stuff. Once achieved allow more immigration,but we control how many and which ones,eg skilled workers welcomed. That sort of plan and strategy. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:32:07 GMT
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater springs to mind. There are better ways than this. Leave ECHR. Stop immigration. Turn back illegals. Intergrate the immigrants we have,eg begin discussions on a reformation within 'UK Islam' to get rid of the barbaric 7th century stuff. Once achieved allow more immigration,but we control how many and which ones,eg skilled workers welcomed. That sort of plan and strategy. All of which can be achieved without leaving or are irrelevant of it in that it's not with the gift of the UK Government anyway. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 17:32:18 GMT
We would write our own human rights act and make human rights judgement ourselves. The ECHR works against us. Oh dear,reference 1930s Germany. Come on,that's ridiculous. Turn the boats back,return to France,same day.Lee Anderson. A referendum on staying in or leaving the ECHR would be a good and fair idea,don't you think? How would a UK only version be worded differently? How do you envisage the boats being forced back? I don't know the exact words of the current ECHR, but I suppose in plain English we would not allow a foreign court to make decisions on our behalf regarding who we deport. Royal Navy in the English Channel. Either turn the boats back and escort them safely back to France,or pick up the queue jumping illegals off the boats,sink the boats they sailed in and take them safely back to France. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 17:36:13 GMT
Leave ECHR. Stop immigration. Turn back illegals. Intergrate the immigrants we have,eg begin discussions on a reformation within 'UK Islam' to get rid of the barbaric 7th century stuff. Once achieved allow more immigration,but we control how many and which ones,eg skilled workers welcomed. That sort of plan and strategy. All of which can be achieved without leaving or are irrelevant of it in that it's not with the gift of the UK Government anyway. I don't know if that's true.The Muslim lawyers, paid by our tax money are very good at finding loop holes within the system.Then there's the unnamed EU judges that stopped flights to Rwanda. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:43:58 GMT
How would a UK only version be worded differently? How do you envisage the boats being forced back? I don't know the exact words of the current ECHR, but I suppose in plain English we would not allow a foreign court to make decisions on our behalf regarding who we deport. Royal Navy in the English Channel. Either turn the boats back and escort them safely back to France,or pick up the queue jumping illegals off the boats,sink the boats they sailed in and take them safely back to France. Best leave UNCLOS too. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:44:59 GMT
All of which can be achieved without leaving or are irrelevant of it in that it's not with the gift of the UK Government anyway. I don't know if that's true.The Muslim lawyers, paid by our tax money are very good at finding loop holes within the system.Then there's the unnamed EU judges that stopped flights to Rwanda. Unnamed EU? Thought you were referring to ECHR |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 17:53:47 GMT
I don't know if that's true.The Muslim lawyers, paid by our tax money are very good at finding loop holes within the system.Then there's the unnamed EU judges that stopped flights to Rwanda. Unnamed EU? Thought you were referring to ECHR Beg your pardon,an unnamed judge ( st the time unnamed) ,a high up in the European Court. The point being this authority is making decisions on our behalf. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 17:54:56 GMT
I don't know the exact words of the current ECHR, but I suppose in plain English we would not allow a foreign court to make decisions on our behalf regarding who we deport. Royal Navy in the English Channel. Either turn the boats back and escort them safely back to France,or pick up the queue jumping illegals off the boats,sink the boats they sailed in and take them safely back to France. Best leave UNCLOS too. Why? |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:57:32 GMT
Unnamed EU? Thought you were referring to ECHR Beg your pardon,an unnamed judge ( st the time unnamed) ,a high up in the European Court. The point being this authority is making decisions on our behalf. ECHR isn't EU. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 17:58:45 GMT
International laws of the sea. Have a read. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 18:18:21 GMT
International laws of the sea. Have a read. No thanks.I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy can do as I suggested. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 18:19:53 GMT
Beg your pardon,an unnamed judge ( st the time unnamed) ,a high up in the European Court. The point being this authority is making decisions on our behalf. ECHR isn't EU. The foreign judge still stopped our Government's decision.That's the point and all part of why people voted for Brexit. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 18:37:06 GMT
International laws of the sea. Have a read. No thanks.I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy can do as I suggested. No, they can't and I suspect won't. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 18:43:25 GMT
No thanks.I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy can do as I suggested. No, they can't and I suspect won't. Not with this Government. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 18:48:06 GMT
No, they can't and I suspect won't. Not with this Government. Beware of politicians offering simple solutions to complex problems. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 19:00:05 GMT
Not with this Government. Beware of politicians offering simple solutions to complex problems. I'm afraid I'm sick to death of MPs offering complicated solutions to problems they have no intention of solving. I think it was Cheshire that mentioned our Government are chatting to other Governments about "smashing the gangs" responsible for our illegal immigration across the Channel. Well the authorities have failed to stop the drug gangs because there's too much money to be made.They may catch one gang,but there will be another gang ready and willing to take their place.€£¥$. Same applies to the lot dealing in people transportation.One gang 'smashed' will only see another gang ready to take their place and get hold of much filthy lucre. Nope.Get the Royal Navy to SAFELY stop the boats and SAFELY return the illegals back to France,in the same day,or within 24 hours of being picked up. That will put a stop to it because no one will want to pay for a wasted English Channel trip. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:07:09 GMT
Beware of politicians offering simple solutions to complex problems. I'm afraid I'm sick to death of MPs offering complicated solutions to problems they have no intention of solving. I think it was Cheshire that mentioned our Government are chatting to other Governments about "smashing the gangs" responsible for our illegal immigration across the Channel. Well the authorities have failed to stop the drug gangs because there's too much money to be made.They may catch one gang,but there will be another gang ready and willing to take their place.€£¥$. Same applies to the lot dealing in people transportation.One gang 'smashed' will only see another gang ready to take their place and get hold of much filthy lucre. Nope.Get the Royal Navy to SAFELY stop the boats and SAFELY return the illegals back to France,in the same day,or within 24 hours of being picked up. That will put a stop to it because no one will want to pay for a wasted English Channel trip. Safely? I've already mentioned UNCLOS, there will be others too. What if France refuses entry to a RN ship? |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 19:11:44 GMT
I'm afraid I'm sick to death of MPs offering complicated solutions to problems they have no intention of solving. I think it was Cheshire that mentioned our Government are chatting to other Governments about "smashing the gangs" responsible for our illegal immigration across the Channel. Well the authorities have failed to stop the drug gangs because there's too much money to be made.They may catch one gang,but there will be another gang ready and willing to take their place.€£¥$. Same applies to the lot dealing in people transportation.One gang 'smashed' will only see another gang ready to take their place and get hold of much filthy lucre. Nope.Get the Royal Navy to SAFELY stop the boats and SAFELY return the illegals back to France,in the same day,or within 24 hours of being picked up. That will put a stop to it because no one will want to pay for a wasted English Channel trip. Safely? I've already mentioned UNCLOS, there will be others too. What if France refuses entry to a RN ship? It will be perfectly possible to perform the return to France of these illegal immigrants safely.Then the 'law of the sea' is not broken.Right? We've paid the French millions £€,they'll have em back. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 23, 2024 19:13:47 GMT
Safely? I've already mentioned UNCLOS, there will be others too. What if France refuses entry to a RN ship? It will be perfectly possible to perform the return to France of these illegal immigrants safely.Then the 'law of the sea' is not broken.Right? We've paid the French millions £€,they'll have em back. Oh they won’t, not under the terms you are suggesting. |
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