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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 19, 2023 12:05:50 GMT
Think it was a separate bit to the one you are referring to .Adjacent but divided from it.Those were the days when the Police would be marched in in formation military style at the Concorde/Her Majesty's cinema end.When I last watched the Gas at Burton one Staffs Police officer in full uniform had a pony tail!!!! Times have changed. Times have certainly changed but I wonder whether our leaders today know how “ back to the future” the building of that little stand is. Since posting earlier I see some on Gaschat are now questioning the idea of developing the other three sides of the ground using the same rudimentary design we see with the South Stand. Even suggesting that with a little more thought we could have had something much better there which could have been replicated to gradually create a modern and aesthetically pleasing stadium. You are much more diplomatic than me in highlighting Rovers continual failings on the stadium front but I’d say WTF are people posting about this now ? The time for fans genuinely interested in Rovers progression to post about it was six months ago when it might have been possible to persuade our leaders to think twice before blundering in. Used to stand at that end of the North Enclosure, the other side of the fence. No stand out memories of the cow shed, apart from Chelsea fans flying over the separating fence into the North Enclosure whilst 'exiting' the Tote. Similar to the footage of our Millwall friends at the opposite end of the Tote End.
Despite the mantra that the future lies elsewhere, I've always preferred the option to develop the Mem stand by stand and I've never been particularly worried about the odd pillar in the way. Although the sight lines have dictated the slightly odd South West section, the current construction will be a significant improvement on what went before. Blundering, maybe, I'd agree the club do seem to have been naive wrt the planning process - probably guided by the ability to get retrospective approval for the previous South and South West tents. Whether the future lies at the Mem or elsewhere, I'd like to think that the current hurdles will prompt a much more thorough approach to any major future development. Much as I hate to say it, City's Wedlock and Williams stand redevelopments show the sort of approach that is needed on planning applications.
Staying or going from the Mem will depend on non-matchday income. The current development does nothing in that respect, so any further construction and permissions at the Mem will have to improve that aspect.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 19, 2023 14:48:25 GMT
Times have certainly changed but I wonder whether our leaders today know how “ back to the future” the building of that little stand is. Since posting earlier I see some on Gaschat are now questioning the idea of developing the other three sides of the ground using the same rudimentary design we see with the South Stand. Even suggesting that with a little more thought we could have had something much better there which could have been replicated to gradually create a modern and aesthetically pleasing stadium. You are much more diplomatic than me in highlighting Rovers continual failings on the stadium front but I’d say WTF are people posting about this now ? The time for fans genuinely interested in Rovers progression to post about it was six months ago when it might have been possible to persuade our leaders to think twice before blundering in. Used to stand at that end of the North Enclosure, the other side of the fence. No stand out memories of the cow shed, apart from Chelsea fans flying over the separating fence into the North Enclosure whilst 'exiting' the Tote.
Despite the mantra that the future lies elsewhere, I've always preferred the option to develop the Mem stand by stand and I've never been particularly worried about the odd pillar in the way. Although the sight lines have dictated the slightly odd South West section, the current construction will be a significant improvement on what went before. Blundering, maybe, I'd agree the club do seem to have been naive wrt the planning process - probably guided by the ability to get retrospective approval for the previous South and South West tents. Whether the future lies at the Mem or elsewhere, I'd like to think that the current hurdles will prompt a much more thorough approach to any major future development. Much as I hate to say it, City's Wedlock and Williams stand redevelopments show the sort of approach that is needed on planning applications.
I don't think there is any doubt that Wael & Tom thought the application for the South Stand would be waived through because that is what happened with the 2018 retrospective application for the two tents. But one look at the Planning Officer's report from November 2018 would have told them the reason he didn't have any issue then was because there was no increase in capacity and so no safety or transport issues. The certified capacity of the Mem in 2018 was around the 12000 mark but since then it has been reduced to the point where at the end of last season it was just over 10 000. So to increase that certified capacity by 25% to 12500 is obviously going to create issues for the planners which were not considered when the application was made. Here is a picture of that end of the North Enclosure in 1974  |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 19, 2023 16:09:47 GMT
There's a few side burns in there!?
Proper mutton chops!
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Post by Delsy on Sept 19, 2023 16:56:35 GMT
Of the time, if the same photo was taken today you would probably see a good number of middle aged men with bald heads, white tee shirts and beer bellies  |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 20, 2023 6:25:57 GMT
Of the time, if the same photo was taken today you would probably see a good number of middle aged men with bald heads, white tee shirts and beer bellies And if you go back another 40 years it would be jam-packed with cloth-capped blokes smoking Players Please - which they rarely did back then either. . The Cloth Cap and Woodbine Stand. I thought we were into evolution not regression. |
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Post by trymer on Sept 20, 2023 12:44:39 GMT
Stood there in pouring rain when we stuffed Liverpool. Peter Hooper played a blinder. Score 3-1 to Bristol Rovers Competition League Division Two Attendance 19,328 Was that the last remaining section of the roof which ran the whole length of the North side terrace before the North Stand was built ? I am pretty sure that it was,theres an aerial picture showing North terrace roof and as you say it ran the whole length of that side. |
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Post by trymer on Sept 20, 2023 12:46:43 GMT
Used to stand at that end of the North Enclosure, the other side of the fence. No stand out memories of the cow shed, apart from Chelsea fans flying over the separating fence into the North Enclosure whilst 'exiting' the Tote.
Despite the mantra that the future lies elsewhere, I've always preferred the option to develop the Mem stand by stand and I've never been particularly worried about the odd pillar in the way. Although the sight lines have dictated the slightly odd South West section, the current construction will be a significant improvement on what went before. Blundering, maybe, I'd agree the club do seem to have been naive wrt the planning process - probably guided by the ability to get retrospective approval for the previous South and South West tents. Whether the future lies at the Mem or elsewhere, I'd like to think that the current hurdles will prompt a much more thorough approach to any major future development. Much as I hate to say it, City's Wedlock and Williams stand redevelopments show the sort of approach that is needed on planning applications.
I don't think there is any doubt that Wael & Tom thought the application for the South Stand would be waived through because that is what happened with the 2018 retrospective application for the two tents. But one look at the Planning Officer's report from November 2018 would have told them the reason he didn't have any issue then was because there was no increase in capacity and so no safety or transport issues. The certified capacity of the Mem in 2018 was around the 12000 mark but since then it has been reduced to the point where at the end of last season it was just over 10 000. So to increase that certified capacity by 25% to 12500 is obviously going to create issues for the planners which were not considered when the application was made. Here is a picture of that end of the North Enclosure in 1974 View AttachmentView AttachmentReminds me of the bloke coming on the tannoy "could the boys in the North stand keep their feet off the 'air' wire". |
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 20, 2023 13:32:56 GMT
I don't think there is any doubt that Wael & Tom thought the application for the South Stand would be waived through because that is what happened with the 2018 retrospective application for the two tents. But one look at the Planning Officer's report from November 2018 would have told them the reason he didn't have any issue then was because there was no increase in capacity and so no safety or transport issues. The certified capacity of the Mem in 2018 was around the 12000 mark but since then it has been reduced to the point where at the end of last season it was just over 10 000. So to increase that certified capacity by 25% to 12500 is obviously going to create issues for the planners which were not considered when the application was made. Here is a picture of that end of the North Enclosure in 1974 View AttachmentView AttachmentReminds me of the bloke coming on the tannoy "could the boys in the North stand keep their feet off the 'air' wire". I'm one of the boys with my feet on the wire in that picture!! |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 20, 2023 16:14:07 GMT
I was sent a photo of the South Stand. It is impressive. It is also gert big. It would be a shame to have to take it down again.
Hopefully BRFC are working hard to get Bristol Planning Department, local councillors and local residents on board.
Still looks to me like a very high stake gamble.
Hey ho.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 21, 2023 22:21:56 GMT
I was sent a photo of the South Stand. It is impressive. It is also gert big. It would be a shame to have to take it down again. Hopefully BRFC are working hard to get Bristol Planning Department, local councillors and local residents on board. Still looks to me like a very high stake gamble. Hey ho. From Gaschat.
The apex of the South Stand will be 1-1.5m higher than the West Stand at that end.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 22, 2023 5:44:30 GMT
I was sent a photo of the South Stand. It is impressive. It is also gert big. It would be a shame to have to take it down again. Hopefully BRFC are working hard to get Bristol Planning Department, local councillors and local residents on board. Still looks to me like a very high stake gamble. Hey ho. From Gaschat.
The apex of the South Stand will be 1-1.5m higher than the West Stand at that end.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 22, 2023 15:03:11 GMT
From Gaschat.
The apex of the South Stand will be 1-1.5m higher than the West Stand at that end.
What a beaut!…Temporary?, who are they trying to kid, oh, wait a mo……. Build it and they will come Marvellous Marvin Bristol Mayor is suggesting an underground system throughput Bristol probably funded and built by the Chinese and exit point is Filton Avenue near Civil Service club Should be finished about 2045 or quarter to nine in old money |
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Post by c4h10 on Sept 22, 2023 22:44:25 GMT
What a beaut!…Temporary?, who are they trying to kid, oh, wait a mo……. Build it and they will come Marvellous Marvin Bristol Mayor is suggesting an underground system throughput Bristol probably funded and built by the Chinese and exit point is Filton Avenue near Civil Service club Should be finished about 2045 or quarter to nine in old money Great! I'll be able to travel through to celebrate my hundredth birthday. |
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Post by The Concept on Sept 24, 2023 9:15:11 GMT
The club have known for at least a couple of weeks now that the planning decision will be made sometime between 02/08/2023 and 24/08/2023. They've known for at least a couple of weeks that the earliest they get the green light will be only 10 days before the first home league fixture of the season. 10 days to build and get the safety certificate stamped - why the dithering on a statement from the club?? Now that the build is well underway, I'm going to revisit this. - When the plans were announced, I thought there was no way the club would get planning permission and build a stand before the start of the season.
- When I typed the above, my thoughts had changed slightly as people were talking about a construction similar to that at Edinburgh RFC which would be fairly quick to build. And Barrow had put up something similar (albeit a quarter of the capacity of ours) in 8 days, so I was then thinking (on the big if that permission was granted on 02/08/2023), that we would fail to complete before the first 2 home games.
We can now see that the construction of the steel girders and supports is far more robust than a life-size Meccano set (which I am pleased about). We started the build above ground level on 22/08/2023, so over a month ago and coming up to 5 weeks. In TG's 'Insider Knowledge' column yesterday, in the match-day programme (which was very good and informative), he said: " We are still a number of weeks away from its completion but everyone behind the scenes is working tirelessly to conclude the project at the earliest opportunity." - Over 1 month into the build so far.
- Around a month over the summer with preparatory and ground works carried out.
- Still a number of weeks to go.
... I would estimate this to be at least a 3 month build (might take us 4 right now but would have been quicker on a clear run). So going back to 02/08/2023... we made the announcement things were out of our hands on the evening of what was the first possible day that planning may have been granted. It appeared we had waited for this specific date. - Knowing that it was at least a 3 month build, why did the club leave it until 10 days before the first home game to make an announcement? - Knowing that it was at least a 3 month build, what the hell were we doing seling tickets for the South-West corner? |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 24, 2023 9:54:49 GMT
The Geoff Bradford stand hopefully will be officially opened for Boxing day against Portsmouth
Book your tickets now
Be a great Christmas present I can sit with my daughter and grand kids in the GB stand.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 24, 2023 10:14:20 GMT
Positives in TG's article in the programme about the South Stand...
"As part of the planning process we have conducted a number of reports including a light assessment , ecology survey, travel plans noise impact assessments all of which have returned no adverse findings.
In addition, there are plans for the new stand to have solar panels on the roof and the club is currently assessing our options to explore planting trees within the local area as part of the development."
TG also went on to acknowledge we have learnt the need to better communicate with local residents, and explained what has been set up.
And then about ambitions to develop The Quarters and Academy, among other things.
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Post by keygas on Sept 24, 2023 15:17:48 GMT
Drone footage of the Mem taken before yesterday’s match, still plenty of scope for future developments if finance is available.
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Post by Delsy on Sept 24, 2023 20:27:02 GMT
Definitely, the dugout side of the ground could have a really modern and sharp looking stand running the whole length of the footprint. Plenty of room there for a cantilevered roof construction as well, would be a really nice addition if as you say money became available.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 24, 2023 20:36:28 GMT
Drone footage of the Mem taken before yesterday’s match, still plenty of scope for future developments if finance is available. Also shows that something might have to be done about the floodlights positioning. When the frame started to go up I thought the South-West corner roof might affect the south-west floodlight, but now it appears the South Stand roof itself might block both the south-west and south-east floodlights. |
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 24, 2023 20:45:49 GMT
Drone footage of the Mem taken before yesterday’s match, still plenty of scope for future developments if finance is available. Also shows that something might have to be done about the floodlights positioning. When the frame started to go up I thought the South-West corner roof might affect the south-west floodlight, but now it appears the South Stand roof itself might block both the south-west and south-east floodlights. Definitely going to be a floodlight issue there I think. One solution would be to place lights on the top of the new stand. ... assuming we have planning permission for that 😬 |
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