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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 2, 2023 8:20:54 GMT
I didn't say that the Pacific deal was a rollover, but we already had deals with all but two of the countries. That it is going to have an impact on our agricultural sector as will the Indian deal with lower standards. Why are we bringing goods from around the world when we have a huge group on our doorstep we could have a free trade agreement with but Tory politicians are afraid to deal with because of the likes of the ERG and Bruges Group of anti-EU MPs. But then Rish! Sunak has abandoned all promises of climate control measures and he has his own family involvement in Infosys [still earning in Russia] who now have a deal with BP worth billions. Oh but of course that is purely a coincidence.. To get a 'free trade deal' it takes two to tango. I have no doubt the UK would sign off to one. I think you'll find the probkem lies with the 'other side'. The EU cannot be seen to do free trade deals with countries that have left the EU. They would be worried about other countries leaving.I Sunak stuff, pure deflection again and nothing to do with the thread. Why join a market on the other side of the world. Easy, the EU market is in decline. The other market is growing. We still trade with the EU but it makes sense to also trade with the market that is expanding. So, to sum up It's all the EU fault Sunak is a crook but we aren't bothered Contributing to climate change and accepting sub standard goods, choosing to self harm our agricultural sector is fine. Got it. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 2, 2023 8:30:01 GMT
To get a 'free trade deal' it takes two to tango. I have no doubt the UK would sign off to one. I think you'll find the probkem lies with the 'other side'. The EU cannot be seen to do free trade deals with countries that have left the EU. They would be worried about other countries leaving.I Sunak stuff, pure deflection again and nothing to do with the thread. Why join a market on the other side of the world. Easy, the EU market is in decline. The other market is growing. We still trade with the EU but it makes sense to also trade with the market that is expanding. So, to sum up It's all the EU fault Sunak is a crook but we aren't bothered Contributing to climate change and accepting sub standard goods, choosing to self harm our agricultural sector is fine. Got it. Accept sub-standard goods? Where does that come from. Any goods, no matter where they come from, have to adhere to UK standards if they are to be sold in the UK. The EU's fault? It's common knowledge that the UK would sign a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU. It is the EU that is stopping it. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 2, 2023 10:04:39 GMT
So, to sum up It's all the EU fault Sunak is a crook but we aren't bothered Contributing to climate change and accepting sub standard goods, choosing to self harm our agricultural sector is fine. Got it. Accept sub-standard goods? Where does that come from. Any goods, no matter where they come from, have to adhere to UK standards if they are to be sold in the UK. The EU's fault? It's common knowledge that the UK would sign a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU. It is the EU that is stopping it. I see we are still repeating the same false analogies. The EU operates a SINGLE,RULES BASED, MARKET. Not a stand alone free trade treaty. It is the Single Market we left because we, no sorry the loonies, didn't like the rules of the single market, but especially the rule that labour was treated as equally as capital. The loonies told sold the idea that the UK could have all the benefits of unfettered trade without adhering to the rules of the single market. The EU told us to f**l off. Now here we are left with a trade treaty which divides Northern Ireland, plus the provisions of which the UK government are to scared to implement because of the impact on prices etc (although I believe the EU has leaving us at a trading disadvantage. Desperate not to be forced to address these negative outcomes from what they have done, they scream about the new trade in the Far East, the members of which we already have trade deals with (mostly roll over deals from our previous EU membership) bar 2, as Cheshire points out. So the loonies won and have inflicted negative consequences on the rest of us and our children and grandchildren for decades to come. On top of that they inflicted Boris Johnson, Pritti Patel, Suella Braverman, Jacob Rees Mogg, Liz Truss upon us just to ensure the most negative aspects of their ideology are embedded. Great, the loonies must be so proud. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 2, 2023 10:09:02 GMT
Accept sub-standard goods? Where does that come from. Any goods, no matter where they come from, have to adhere to UK standards if they are to be sold in the UK. The EU's fault? It's common knowledge that the UK would sign a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU. It is the EU that is stopping it. I see we are still repeating the same false analogies. The EU operates a SINGLE,RULES BASED, MARKET. Not a stand alone free trade treaty. It is the Single Market we left because we, no sorry the loonies, didn't like the rules of the single market, but especially the rule that labour was treated as equally as capital. The loonies told sold the idea that the UK could have all the benefits of unfettered trade without adhering to the rules of the single market. The EU told us to f**l off. Now here we are left with a trade treaty which divides Northern Ireland, plus the provisions of which the UK government are to scared to implement because of the impact on prices etc (although I believe the EU has leaving us at a trading disadvantage. Desperate not to be forced to address these negative outcomes from what they have done, they scream about the new trade in the Far East, the members of which we already have trade deals with (mostly roll over deals from our previous EU membership) bar 2, as Cheshire points out. So the loonies won and have inflicted negative consequences on the rest of us and our children and grandchildren for decades to come. On top of that they inflicted Boris Johnson, Pritti Patel, Suella Braverman, Jacob Rees Mogg, Liz Truss upon us just to ensure the most negative aspects of their ideology are embedded. Great, the loonies must be so proud. Oldie. With your rhetoric, is it any wonder that nobody takes what you say seriously? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 2, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
I see we are still repeating the same false analogies. The EU operates a SINGLE,RULES BASED, MARKET. Not a stand alone free trade treaty. It is the Single Market we left because we, no sorry the loonies, didn't like the rules of the single market, but especially the rule that labour was treated as equally as capital. The loonies told sold the idea that the UK could have all the benefits of unfettered trade without adhering to the rules of the single market. The EU told us to f**l off. Now here we are left with a trade treaty which divides Northern Ireland, plus the provisions of which the UK government are to scared to implement because of the impact on prices etc (although I believe the EU has leaving us at a trading disadvantage. Desperate not to be forced to address these negative outcomes from what they have done, they scream about the new trade in the Far East, the members of which we already have trade deals with (mostly roll over deals from our previous EU membership) bar 2, as Cheshire points out. So the loonies won and have inflicted negative consequences on the rest of us and our children and grandchildren for decades to come. On top of that they inflicted Boris Johnson, Pritti Patel, Suella Braverman, Jacob Rees Mogg, Liz Truss upon us just to ensure the most negative aspects of their ideology are embedded. Great, the loonies must be so proud. Oldie. With your rhetoric, is it any wonder that nobody takes what you say seriously? Ahhh, the same old Nobby, the ultimate defender of the rearguard when the overwhelming weight of evidence is about to breach blind faith, posts an utterly meaningless statement. Fabulous. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2023 8:59:25 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2023 9:58:19 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 3, 2023 14:57:40 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2023 15:29:23 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 3, 2023 16:57:26 GMT
So, UK and EU Standards are pretty much the same as they were before Brexit. The UK are continuing to let EU foods into the UK, as before. The EU have now put additional checks and paperwork on UK food going into the EU. Have I got that right? And you are blaming the UK for this? It's just politicians screwing things up just for the sake of politics, especially on the EU side. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we had a decent trading zone. We could call it something like the "Common Market". That's a catchy name eh! It is the politics that drove people to vote for Brexit. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 3, 2023 17:52:18 GMT
So, UK and EU Standards are pretty much the same as they were before Brexit. The UK are continuing to let EU foods into the UK, as before. The EU have now put additional checks and paperwork on UK food going into the EU. Have I got that right? And you are blaming the UK for this? It's just politicians screwing things up just for the sake of politics, especially on the EU side. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we had a decent trading zone. We could call it something like the "Common Market". That's a catchy name eh! It is the politics that drove people to vote for Brexit. The clauses you refer to are the one's Johnson signed up to |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 3, 2023 21:24:20 GMT
So, UK and EU Standards are pretty much the same as they were before Brexit. The UK are continuing to let EU foods into the UK, as before. The EU have now put additional checks and paperwork on UK food going into the EU. Have I got that right? And you are blaming the UK for this? It's just politicians screwing things up just for the sake of politics, especially on the EU side. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we had a decent trading zone. We could call it something like the "Common Market". That's a catchy name eh! It is the politics that drove people to vote for Brexit. No Nobby, there you go again making out it is the EU fault. The EU are applying non member checks on the UK as we are not a member. They are not punishing us extra. They have even stretched their own rules to make Northern Ireland work. The UK is supposed to be applying extra rules on EU imports. They are now having to back down and delay them as this would add to inflation. And as one commentator said this Government are being astute. They will leave the adoption for Labour to do after the next election which will stuff Labour up. Stop blaming the EU for applying rules we agreed to as a member which are to be applied to non members like we are now. We are not special. And yes it would be great to be part of a free trade common market, as we were. As for the politics we had our own Sovereignty and had major rights to block the politics more than anyone else until we left. We were special then, we are not now, sadly. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 4, 2023 6:25:57 GMT
So, UK and EU Standards are pretty much the same as they were before Brexit. The UK are continuing to let EU foods into the UK, as before. The EU have now put additional checks and paperwork on UK food going into the EU. Have I got that right? And you are blaming the UK for this? It's just politicians screwing things up just for the sake of politics, especially on the EU side. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we had a decent trading zone. We could call it something like the "Common Market". That's a catchy name eh! It is the politics that drove people to vote for Brexit. The clauses you refer to are the one's Johnson signed up to Johnson was forced to sign up for a lot of the stuff as it had been negotiated by the remainer May. The EU were never going to re-start the negotiations from scratch. In reality all Johnson could do at the time was tinker with the agreement. May has a lot to answer for. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 4, 2023 6:28:25 GMT
So, UK and EU Standards are pretty much the same as they were before Brexit. The UK are continuing to let EU foods into the UK, as before. The EU have now put additional checks and paperwork on UK food going into the EU. Have I got that right? And you are blaming the UK for this? It's just politicians screwing things up just for the sake of politics, especially on the EU side. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we had a decent trading zone. We could call it something like the "Common Market". That's a catchy name eh! It is the politics that drove people to vote for Brexit. No Nobby, there you go again making out it is the EU fault. The EU are applying non member checks on the UK as we are not a member. They are not punishing us extra. They have even stretched their own rules to make Northern Ireland work. The UK is supposed to be applying extra rules on EU imports. They are now having to back down and delay them as this would add to inflation. And as one commentator said this Government are being astute. They will leave the adoption for Labour to do after the next election which will stuff Labour up. Stop blaming the EU for applying rules we agreed to as a member which are to be applied to non members like we are now. We are not special. And yes it would be great to be part of a free trade common market, as we were. As for the politics we had our own Sovereignty and had major rights to block the politics more than anyone else until we left. We were special then, we are not now, sadly. Terry, a few posts back you were criticizing the government for not getting rid of rules and regulations. Now you are criticizing them for not introducing even more rules and regulations! |
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Post by oldie on Aug 4, 2023 8:09:36 GMT
No Nobby, there you go again making out it is the EU fault. The EU are applying non member checks on the UK as we are not a member. They are not punishing us extra. They have even stretched their own rules to make Northern Ireland work. The UK is supposed to be applying extra rules on EU imports. They are now having to back down and delay them as this would add to inflation. And as one commentator said this Government are being astute. They will leave the adoption for Labour to do after the next election which will stuff Labour up. Stop blaming the EU for applying rules we agreed to as a member which are to be applied to non members like we are now. We are not special. And yes it would be great to be part of a free trade common market, as we were. As for the politics we had our own Sovereignty and had major rights to block the politics more than anyone else until we left. We were special then, we are not now, sadly. Terry, a few posts back you were criticizing the government for not getting rid of rules and regulations. Now you are criticizing them for not introducing even more rules and regulations! Dear Oh dear. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 4, 2023 9:34:23 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 4, 2023 21:23:05 GMT
www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-cut-profits-for-nearly-all-independent-retailers-trading-with-eu-industry-leader-says/ar-AA1eMTjc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1b2052a4b0104afd83a711ae8201bfe1&ei=6Nearly all independent retailers who traded with Europe have seen profit losses due to Brexit, an industry boss has said, with the impact of the withdrawal continuing to hit UK businesses three years on. Brexit saw new red tape and costs for British firms trading with EU countries, with a leading business group saying owners have been left “banging their heads against a brick wall”. Andrew Goodacre, CEO of the British Independent Retailers Association (BIRA) which has more than 6,000 members across different retail sectors, said that the additional costs due to red tape meant EU-facing retailers had to “sacrifice” profit to stay in business. “If you’re facing a 15 per cent tariffs on goods, you either have to put your products up 15 per cent to consumers or you accept a lower margin,” he said. “At the time, we were still in the throes of Covid and uncertain about the impact of lockdowns, and it was difficult for businesses to find the right way of approaching it. I think they nearly all sacrificed some margin. There was no easy solution to having additional costs; it was not possible to add it all on to consumer, so the only resort is to see a reduced margin.” The business leader said that many retailers were priced out by competitors as Brexit costs hit consumers. Research from the Federation of Small Businesses found that 13 per cent of its members had stopped trading temporarily or permanently with the EU since the UK’s exit. The organisation found that “relatively few businesses have pivoted to new markets since the end of the transition period”, with just 6 per cent of EU exporters and 5 per cent of EU importers turning to other markets. Nearly one in ten had stopped importing or exporting overall over the past five years due to the volume of paperwork (56 per cent), overall costs (49 per cent) and supply chain or logistical issues (29 per cent). One business owner told i that her net profit margins had dropped to zero following Brexit and that she had suspended all trade with Europe for more than two years due to red tape.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2023 7:02:09 GMT
www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-cut-profits-for-nearly-all-independent-retailers-trading-with-eu-industry-leader-says/ar-AA1eMTjc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1b2052a4b0104afd83a711ae8201bfe1&ei=6Nearly all independent retailers who traded with Europe have seen profit losses due to Brexit, an industry boss has said, with the impact of the withdrawal continuing to hit UK businesses three years on. Brexit saw new red tape and costs for British firms trading with EU countries, with a leading business group saying owners have been left “banging their heads against a brick wall”. Andrew Goodacre, CEO of the British Independent Retailers Association (BIRA) which has more than 6,000 members across different retail sectors, said that the additional costs due to red tape meant EU-facing retailers had to “sacrifice” profit to stay in business. “If you’re facing a 15 per cent tariffs on goods, you either have to put your products up 15 per cent to consumers or you accept a lower margin,” he said. “At the time, we were still in the throes of Covid and uncertain about the impact of lockdowns, and it was difficult for businesses to find the right way of approaching it. I think they nearly all sacrificed some margin. There was no easy solution to having additional costs; it was not possible to add it all on to consumer, so the only resort is to see a reduced margin.” The business leader said that many retailers were priced out by competitors as Brexit costs hit consumers. Research from the Federation of Small Businesses found that 13 per cent of its members had stopped trading temporarily or permanently with the EU since the UK’s exit. The organisation found that “relatively few businesses have pivoted to new markets since the end of the transition period”, with just 6 per cent of EU exporters and 5 per cent of EU importers turning to other markets. Nearly one in ten had stopped importing or exporting overall over the past five years due to the volume of paperwork (56 per cent), overall costs (49 per cent) and supply chain or logistical issues (29 per cent). One business owner told i that her net profit margins had dropped to zero following Brexit and that she had suspended all trade with Europe for more than two years due to red tape. I keep saying it. It's all politics, and it was the political nature of the EU which was the main driver for people to vote leave! Also, look at what is written. "One business owner....." - Do we re-join the EU because " One business owner... " has suspended trading? Note suspended not stopped. "Nearly one in ten...." - so, not even one in ten, but ' nearly'. Small businesses get created and fail by the bucket load every single year. It's the nature of small businesses. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2023 8:34:05 GMT
Nobby, I love your eternal optimism and your belief in the sunlit uplands.
I can't wait to see us becoming world beating as we have been promised and all those deals come rolling in!
I just hope I'm alive to see it. After all Rees Smugg said it could be 50 years.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2023 19:16:28 GMT
Nobby, I love your eternal optimism and your belief in the sunlit uplands. I can't wait to see us becoming world beating as we have been promised and all those deals come rolling in! I just hope I'm alive to see it. After all Rees Smugg said it could be 50 years. I have no idea why remainers talk about 'sunlit uplands'? World beating? I don't think anyone claims that. The government just lay the groundwork with trade deals. It is then up to businesses to take advantage and that is totally out of the control of government. Well, it did take 40+ years before the public were allowed a say in the whole EU issue. |
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