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Post by basel on Jul 16, 2023 19:28:36 GMT
Kemi Badenoch has signed the UK into the CPTPP and I suppose we'll manage to remember that acronym after a while.
Fast growing economies.
Huge populations.
We don't have to give up our laws.
No free movement.
It will probably make it harder ( certainly more complicated ) to rejoin the European Union,if that option were to ever become a serious one.👍
We'll need tiptop people negotiating our trading deals.Lord Sugar types perhaps?
Apparently and in the short term,it does not cure our financial woes,but it helps and over the longer term it can be a great deal for the UK.
Good news!
Brexit delivers.
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Post by basel on Jul 16, 2023 19:35:20 GMT
The CPTPP member countries.
Canada
Mexico
Peru
Chile
New Zealand
Australia
Brunei
Singapore
Malaysia
Vietnam
Japan.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 16, 2023 23:25:54 GMT
The only sound you will hear from remainers is the gnashing of teeth 😁
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 17, 2023 9:05:50 GMT
Looks like you guys are believing the propaganda full on.
We already deal with all but two of those countries on EU rollovers.
It produces 0.08% of GDP compared with 4% GDP with the EU. £1.8bln in 10 years. That's peanuts!
Come on Nobby, you are better than that!
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2023 10:42:17 GMT
Looks like you guys are believing the propaganda full on. We already deal with all but two of those countries on EU rollovers. It produces 0.08% of GDP compared with 4% GDP with the EU. £1.8bln in 10 years. That's peanuts! Come on Nobby, you are better than that! Good on you for bothering Cheshire. I was going to post the same...but couldn't be bothered. Anyway, why let the facts get in the way of a headline from the Daily Mail/Express or GB News. All that was missing was a quote from Nigel and a pic of him drinking a pint of Real Ale. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2023 11:23:47 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 17, 2023 16:01:16 GMT
I just had a chuckle.
Apparently, the only way under World Trade Organisation [WTO] rules that the UK, as a single sovereign country outside the CPTPP region, could enter the grouping is because of the Pitcairn Islands being in the Region.
So if at any time they seek independence it looks like we will have to leave.
You couldn't make this crap up.
Perhaps if we had a Government that was made up of reasonable and responsible people who gave a care about this country rather than themselves, their pals and donors we could get a trade deal with our neighbours.
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2023 18:12:30 GMT
I just had a chuckle. Apparently, the only way under World Trade Organisation [WTO] rules that the UK, as a single sovereign country outside the CPTPP region, could enter the grouping is because of the Pitcairn Islands being in the Region. So if at any time they seek independence it looks like we will have to leave. You couldn't make this crap up. Perhaps if we had a Government that was made up of reasonable and responsible people who gave a care about this country rather than themselves, their pals and donors we could get a trade deal with our neighbours. I say old chap, coming on here and quoting facts? Whatever next. Of course we will have Basel in here saying you lack credibility...I mean really. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2023 4:11:23 GMT
Um.....we still have access to the EU market. |
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Post by basel on Jul 18, 2023 7:43:33 GMT
Um.....we still have access to the EU market. We still do loads of business with EU. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 18, 2023 8:35:55 GMT
Um.....we still have access to the EU market. But it's becoming more and more difficult and when the new tariffs are added in the Autumn will become more difficult and more expensive leading to inflation. So why not have a free trade agreement and get rid of red tape and reduce costs with our neighbours rather than a grouping thousand of miles away? It is obscene with the issues with global climate change to think it great to encourage goods to travel great distances when we could have goods locally. The deal will also have a detrimental impact on our agriculture and lower food standards. All because we are scared to appear friendly to our neighbours in case some voters blow a gasket. Oh and Tory supporters might have to be scrutinised for their tax evasion avoidance..... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2023 9:35:31 GMT
"So why not have a free trade agreement and get rid of red tape and reduce costs with our neighbours" because it takes two to tango. If our 'neighbours' do not agree to a free trade deal, then there is nothing we can do about it. Much of what you say makes sense, but as always we are controlled by the politicians on both sides. I doubt there is a single Brexiteer who is against free trade with the EU. Historically the UK has been one of the greatest trading nations in the world. What Brexiteers don't want is the political construct of the EU.
"Oh and Tory supporters might have to be scrutinised for their tax evasion avoidance....." Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and it's not only Tory supporters who take advantage of it. I bet every single poster on this site would reduce their tax bill if they legally could.
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Post by oldie on Jul 18, 2023 10:01:16 GMT
"So why not have a free trade agreement and get rid of red tape and reduce costs with our neighbours" because it takes two to tango. If our 'neighbours' do not agree to a free trade deal, then there is nothing we can do about it. Much of what you say makes sense, but as always we are controlled by the politicians on both sides. I doubt there is a single Brexiteer who is against free trade with the EU. Historically the UK has been one of the greatest trading nations in the world. What Brexiteers don't want is the political construct of the EU. "Oh and Tory supporters might have to be scrutinised for their tax evasion avoidance....." Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and it's not only Tory supporters who take advantage of it. I bet every single poster on this site would reduce their tax bill if they legally could. The EU is a single market. That's what we left. A tariff free, encumbrance free, trade deal would, in their opinion, undermine the principals of a Single Market. A single market, rightly, includes labour and not just capital. The outcome of what we chose is played out in Ireland and as Cheshire has said our government (cough) had yet to implement the conditions of the treaty that we have signed because they are scared of the price inflation this would bring and the realisation for people, in their pockets, of what we have done. Meanwhile I believe the EU has implemented their side of the treaty making our exports to the EU more expensive and difficult to operate. Anyone see Kemi Badenoch on Sunday? So desperate to avoid scrutiny she talked over questions like a parrot, at one point demanding not to be interrupted because she wanted to read her script and nothing else. Another loony tune in an insane government. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2023 11:02:09 GMT
It is a fallacy that the 'single market' was free. It was costing the UK over 20 billion a year to be part of the club. The taxpayer was paying for large corporations to trade for 'free'. It's the same as saying the NHS is 'free'. It is not.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 18, 2023 12:25:03 GMT
It is a fallacy that the 'single market' was free. It was costing the UK over 20 billion a year to be part of the club. The taxpayer was paying for large corporations to trade for 'free'. It's the same as saying the NHS is 'free'. It is not. Another fallacy Nobby put about by Leave.EU in their propaganda. I am surprised you fell for it. There never was €350mln net going to the EU per week, even Farage admitted that after the referendum! It never cost that. On a net flow basis the UK contributed about £8bln on average. That figure does not include the benefit to the City by the fact the UK was the clearing centre for Euro flows. The UK was also the Gateway for US investment into the EU and the UK benefitted from traffic flows between the EU and Ireland, now removed. EU investment funds were held in the City and as was seen much moved to Dublin - even Brexit hero Rees Smugg moved all of his Euro investments to Dublin. When Service industries benefits are taken into account we benefitted massively. That does not include the more intangible benefits such as opt outs in the EU, we had the best deal of anyone. Global influence as one of the three key players in the EU and probably the one with most say. The US can ignore the UK on trade now as the only thing we bring to the table is our security network and our position on the UN Security Council. This Government is looking to cut back further on our armed forces and trade deals have made us look like junior partners. There was no enthusiastic welcome to the CPTPP from member states! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2023 12:57:38 GMT
There is part of the problem right there Terry. Nobody, not even the Remain camp, could say how much it actually cost to be a member of the EU!
Theresa May increased NHS funding by just over 20 billion. That works out at more than 350 million a week. The NHS is still a basket case.
Clearing is still dominated by London, even Euro Clearing. The EU just does not have the infrastructure to handle it. Some listings are leaving London, and even more are leaving the EU, especially over the last six months. They are going to New York. However, London still remains the Number Two financial centre in the world after New York.
Yes, some stuff was re-jigged around after Brexit, but the reality is that it was only small stuff. I'm sure someone will shout about "6 billion worth transferred to Dublin" or some such figure. To put that into context, the turnover of my company is about 300 billion per month ! As you are aware the numbers involved in the world of finance are truly scary.
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2023 8:35:05 GMT
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Post by basel on Jul 23, 2023 11:24:02 GMT
The bigger picture says over time this deal could well prove fantastic for the UK and fellow members.
Negative snapshot journalism, is just rejoin desperation.
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2023 11:41:32 GMT
The bigger picture says overtime this deal could well prove fantastic for the UK and fellow members. Negative snapshot journalism, is just rejoin desperation. Unsubstantiated opinion on your part, totally divorced from reality. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 23, 2023 12:27:29 GMT
The bigger picture says over time this deal could well prove fantastic for the UK and fellow members. Negative snapshot journalism, is just rejoin desperation. Facts to back the comments up, or does opinion beat facts? |
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