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Post by basel on Jul 23, 2023 12:38:38 GMT
The bigger picture says over time this deal could well prove fantastic for the UK and fellow members. Negative snapshot journalism, is just rejoin desperation. Facts to back the comments up, or does opinion beat facts? Growing economies. Potential new members. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2023 17:14:19 GMT
Facts to back the comments up, or does opinion beat facts? Growing economies. Potential new members. It's quite pitiful at times |
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Post by basel on Jul 23, 2023 17:17:18 GMT
Growing economies. Potential new members. It's quite pitiful at times Desperate rejoiners. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2023 18:58:59 GMT
Growing economies. Potential new members. It's quite pitiful at times What is pitiful about accessing a market that is larger than the EU market? Your narrow minded views are simply put, quit staggering! |
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2023 19:17:20 GMT
It's quite pitiful at times What is pitiful about accessing a market that is larger than the EU market? Your narrow minded views are simply put, quit staggering! Nothing, I welcome it. It's the false messaging and gullibility that makes me laugh. Cheshire has already analysed the reality so I won't bother repeating it. I find it incredulous sometimes the amount of rubbish posted on here as fact sometimes. That, added to one person advocating extreme violence for killing a parrot. I mean Nobby, who are these people? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 24, 2023 7:53:48 GMT
What is pitiful about accessing a market that is larger than the EU market? Your narrow minded views are simply put, quit staggering! Nothing, I welcome it. It's the false messaging and gullibility that makes me laugh. Cheshire has already analysed the reality so I won't bother repeating it. I find it incredulous sometimes the amount of rubbish posted on here as fact sometimes. That, added to one person advocating extreme violence for killing a parrot. I mean Nobby, who are these people? No idea what you are talking about regarding parrots, but that's just thread drift. What are the facts? Nobody knows is the reality of the situation because all the government can do is lay the groundwork ie. complete the agreement. It is then up to private businesses to take advantage of the work the government has done, and the success of failure of those businesses is something that just cannot be forecast. Anyone saying things like "it'll only be worth 1.8 billion a year to the economy" are just throwing guesswork numbers out there. The reality is that it is a market that is bigger than the EU market. It is now up to business to leverage that access. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 24, 2023 9:47:19 GMT
I might argue about the detail, but lets ignore that.
If however we don't know or cannot forecast the value to British Trade surely then, by definition, it cannot be trumpeted as a huge boost, as it has been.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 24, 2023 10:29:47 GMT
Nothing, I welcome it. It's the false messaging and gullibility that makes me laugh. Cheshire has already analysed the reality so I won't bother repeating it. I find it incredulous sometimes the amount of rubbish posted on here as fact sometimes. That, added to one person advocating extreme violence for killing a parrot. I mean Nobby, who are these people? No idea what you are talking about regarding parrots, but that's just thread drift. What are the facts? Nobody knows is the reality of the situation because all the government can do is lay the groundwork ie. complete the agreement. It is then up to private businesses to take advantage of the work the government has done, and the success of failure of those businesses is something that just cannot be forecast. Anyone saying things like "it'll only be worth 1.8 billion a year to the economy" are just throwing guesswork numbers out there. The reality is that it is a market that is bigger than the EU market. It is now up to business to leverage that access. Those are Government figures and forecasts. You have used this argument before Nobby. How does your business operate if it doesn't make forecasts and cost assumptions on projects? You are not seriously telling me that a company of the size you mention doesn't have forecasts, project plans or budgeting? So, in the forces, when you received intelligence reports did you automatically ignore them because there would have been an element of supposition, and a prediction of the success probability that was bound to be wrong? What is the point of Governments, companies and businesses planning if people are going to automatically ignore them. And are you really saying that £1.8bln is going to magic into £trillions if the businesses work hard? Honestly? |
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Post by oldie on Jul 24, 2023 10:50:05 GMT
No idea what you are talking about regarding parrots, but that's just thread drift. What are the facts? Nobody knows is the reality of the situation because all the government can do is lay the groundwork ie. complete the agreement. It is then up to private businesses to take advantage of the work the government has done, and the success of failure of those businesses is something that just cannot be forecast. Anyone saying things like "it'll only be worth 1.8 billion a year to the economy" are just throwing guesswork numbers out there. The reality is that it is a market that is bigger than the EU market. It is now up to business to leverage that access. Those are Government figures and forecasts. You have used this argument before Nobby. How does your business operate if it doesn't make forecasts and cost assumptions on projects? You are not seriously telling me that a company of the size you mention doesn't have forecasts, project plans or budgeting? So, in the forces, when you received intelligence reports did you automatically ignore them because there would have been an element of supposition, and a prediction of the success probability that was bound to be wrong? What is the point of Governments, companies and businesses planning if people are going to automatically ignore them. And are you really saying that £1.8bln is going to magic into £trillions if the businesses work hard? Honestly? Absolutely Cheshire. Over the years this argument about planning and forecasting has been made so many times. I guess to avoid scrutiny...like Brexit |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 24, 2023 13:03:08 GMT
"How does your business operate if it doesn't make forecasts and cost assumptions on projects? You are not seriously telling me that a company of the size you mention doesn't have forecasts, project plans or budgeting?" - Yes, a private business can make forecasts and identify growth levels. A government cannot do that for the private business though.
"And are you really saying that £1.8bln is going to magic into £trillions if the businesses work hard? Honestly?" - No, what I'm saying is that you cannot expect a government to forecast any potential growth in a private business. Who knows what the growth will be in this new deal. One thing for certain though is that the potential for growth is far far higher than it was before the deal was signed, therefore making the deal a good thing!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 24, 2023 14:37:34 GMT
"How does your business operate if it doesn't make forecasts and cost assumptions on projects? You are not seriously telling me that a company of the size you mention doesn't have forecasts, project plans or budgeting?" - Yes, a private business can make forecasts and identify growth levels. A government cannot do that for the private business though. "And are you really saying that £1.8bln is going to magic into £trillions if the businesses work hard? Honestly?" - No, what I'm saying is that you cannot expect a government to forecast any potential growth in a private business. Who knows what the growth will be in this new deal. One thing for certain though is that the potential for growth is far far higher than it was before the deal was signed, therefore making the deal a good thing!Not really Nobby, we already had deals with all but two of the signatories. There will be no great surge in business, the opportunities have not grown exponentially. In Australia they are taking the p*** out of our once great nation in that we have come cap in hand to join a grouping on the other side of the world. And in the last few months we have given Aussie and Kiwi agricultural sectors advantages over our own. No one in Asia is excited about it. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cptpp-brexit-benefits-trade-uk-b2379742.html |
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Post by basel on Jul 30, 2023 21:29:37 GMT
Apparently India expects a deal with the UK to be signed by Christmas.
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2023 7:30:57 GMT
Apparently India expects a deal with the UK to be signed by Christmas. 🙂 It will include easier access for Indian Nationals to enter and work in the UK. #Controlourborders... |
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Post by basel on Jul 31, 2023 8:44:39 GMT
Apparently India expects a deal with the UK to be signed by Christmas. 🙂 It will include easier access for Indian Nationals to enter and work in the UK. #Controlourborders... UK represented by Westminster at negotiations.Not Brussels. 🙂 |
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2023 8:49:21 GMT
It will include easier access for Indian Nationals to enter and work in the UK. #Controlourborders... UK represented by Westminster at negotiations.Not Brussels. 🙂 And the difference in outcome?....zero |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 1, 2023 8:24:36 GMT
Why do the Remainers pour derision on these various trade deals?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 1, 2023 10:05:47 GMT
Why do the Remainers pour derision on these various trade deals? Because most are rollovers of deals negotiated by the EU. New ones are headlined as bringing in trillions whereas even the UK Government admits they are a couple of billion. And the India deal is being talked of an open borders deal which will mean Indians will have open access to come. Controlling our borders? We have gone into a deal half way around the world that is of little NEW benefit and brings goods impacting climate change when we have similar goods on our doorstep, and damaging our agricultural sector. The NFU are already warning about the India deal. People were offered sunlit uplands, an immediate trade deal with the EU, Freedom of movement and funds for the NHS. We were going to have world beating deals ((c) Boris Johnson) Quite frankly I am sick to death of lies and please don't say 'ALL' politicians lie. When are we getting genuine benefits? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 1, 2023 10:43:40 GMT
The NHS has received new funding way above the figures quoted during the Brexit debate. 20 billion was added by May. This is a separate argument but it doesn't matter how much money you throw at the NHS it will never work.
The point being totally missed with the new trade agreement is the ability to trade with other countries within that agreement. You cannot look at in UK to a single country deal and claim it is just a roll-over when it is quite clearly not. It's the inter trade between the countries in the trading bloc that is not being spoken about.
Freedom of Movement? Seriously, I have no problems whatsoever from moving around the EU. I work sometimes in the EU and sometimes outside of it, no problems. In Germany I work with many non-EU nationals. They don't seem to have any problems getting work or living in Germany. The so-called 'worker shortages' being talked about in the UK (ie. Building workers, Baristas etc) are also mirrored in the EU. It is common in Frankfurt to ring a bar before going there to find out if the kitchen is open. Staff shortages mean many bars only serve food for three or four nights a week. For some reason, and I don't know why, but these shortages seem to be the result of Covid.
The Indian deal? Nobody knows the details yet but I doubt very much it will mean open borders for Indians.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 1, 2023 11:45:47 GMT
The point being totally missed with the new trade agreement is the ability to trade with other countries within that agreement. You cannot look at in UK to a single country deal and claim it is just a roll-over when it is quite clearly not. It's the inter trade between the countries in the trading bloc that is not being spoken about. I didn't say that the Pacific deal was a rollover, but we already had deals with all but two of the countries. That it is going to have an impact on our agricultural sector as will the Indian deal with lower standards. Why are we bringing goods from around the world when we have a huge group on our doorstep we could have a free trade agreement with but Tory politicians are afraid to deal with because of the likes of the ERG and Bruges Group of anti-EU MPs. But then Rish! Sunak has abandoned all promises of climate control measures and he has his own family involvement in Infosys [still earning in Russia] who now have a deal with BP worth billions. Oh but of course that is purely a coincidence.. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 1, 2023 20:20:59 GMT
The point being totally missed with the new trade agreement is the ability to trade with other countries within that agreement. You cannot look at in UK to a single country deal and claim it is just a roll-over when it is quite clearly not. It's the inter trade between the countries in the trading bloc that is not being spoken about. I didn't say that the Pacific deal was a rollover, but we already had deals with all but two of the countries. That it is going to have an impact on our agricultural sector as will the Indian deal with lower standards. Why are we bringing goods from around the world when we have a huge group on our doorstep we could have a free trade agreement with but Tory politicians are afraid to deal with because of the likes of the ERG and Bruges Group of anti-EU MPs. But then Rish! Sunak has abandoned all promises of climate control measures and he has his own family involvement in Infosys [still earning in Russia] who now have a deal with BP worth billions. Oh but of course that is purely a coincidence.. To get a 'free trade deal' it takes two to tango. I have no doubt the UK would sign off to one. I think you'll find the probkem lies with the 'other side'. The EU cannot be seen to do free trade deals with countries that have left the EU. They would be worried about other countries leaving.I Sunak stuff, pure deflection again and nothing to do with the thread. Why join a market on the other side of the world. Easy, the EU market is in decline. The other market is growing. We still trade with the EU but it makes sense to also trade with the market that is expanding. |
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