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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2023 7:08:27 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 24, 2023 7:33:11 GMT
Perhaps what Rish! needs is a war. Needs to be quick though, the May local elections are nearly upon us.....
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 24, 2023 8:33:44 GMT
f***....What a hell of a read that was. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 24, 2023 9:26:42 GMT
Although you have to remember it's from the IMF. Remind us all again as to how accurate their previous forecasts have been about the UK post Brexit.
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2023 9:44:28 GMT
f***....What a hell of a read that was. Exactly BT...pretty horrific |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 24, 2023 10:25:27 GMT
Not just the IMF, OECD forecasts also www.oecd.org/economic-outlook/march-2023/Worst apart from Russia for 2023, equal lowest [ex Russia] for 2024. Perhaps we just have to tell everyone to be more positive, all these negative vibes aren't helping! |
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2023 12:01:50 GMT
Not just the IMF, OECD forecasts also www.oecd.org/economic-outlook/march-2023/Worst apart from Russia for 2023, equal lowest [ex Russia] for 2024. Perhaps we just have to tell everyone to be more positive, all these negative vibes aren't helping! Stuff upper lip old chap |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 24, 2023 12:25:14 GMT
We’re obviously not believing hard enough. Never mind, there are plenty of faceless groups of people that we can negatively stereotype and blame for lopping both our own feet off with an angle grinder
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2023 12:30:25 GMT
We’re obviously not believing hard enough. Never mind, there are plenty of faceless groups of people that we can negatively stereotype and blame for lopping both our own feet off with an angle grinder 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 24, 2023 13:26:01 GMT
Not just the IMF, OECD forecasts also www.oecd.org/economic-outlook/march-2023/Worst apart from Russia for 2023, equal lowest [ex Russia] for 2024. Perhaps we just have to tell everyone to be more positive, all these negative vibes aren't helping! Mmmm, the OECD....."Forecast is based on an assessment of the economic climate in individual countries and the world economy, using a combination of model-based analyses and expert judgement." - So, no real facts, just "assessment", "models" and "expert analysis". OECD |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 24, 2023 14:54:44 GMT
Not just the IMF, OECD forecasts also www.oecd.org/economic-outlook/march-2023/Worst apart from Russia for 2023, equal lowest [ex Russia] for 2024. Perhaps we just have to tell everyone to be more positive, all these negative vibes aren't helping! Mmmm, the OECD....."Forecast is based on an assessment of the economic climate in individual countries and the world economy, using a combination of model-based analyses and expert judgement." - So, no real facts, just "assessment", "models" and "expert analysis". OECDThat's what forecasts are, unless you can see into the future. So what you are effectively saying Nobby is that we shouldn't do forecasts, just put a finger in the air, and believe that all will be well. Sorry if countries, businesses etc are going to function they need to make sophisticated models and forecasts and plan. Armies don't attack on a whim, unless you are Russia, they plan on what logistics, stocks, stores and feet on the ground that they will need. Didn't your units do planning? I honestly can't believe that you think nobody should do planning, modelling or forecasting.... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 24, 2023 17:49:39 GMT
The problem is that when organisations like the IMF and OECD have a history of making wrong forecasts, when do you believe any new forecasts?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 24, 2023 22:34:09 GMT
One thing I can pretty much guarantee with any forecast is that it will be wrong.
Anyone with a consistent track record of forecasts that are accurate would be able to name their price
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 4:12:10 GMT
One thing I can pretty much guarantee with any forecast is that it will be wrong. Anyone with a consistent track record of forecasts that are accurate would be able to name their price It's a forecast, not a guarantee. In any event the commentary from Spiegel was not just about the forecast but about the actual situation in the UK. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 6:20:25 GMT
One thing I can pretty much guarantee with any forecast is that it will be wrong. Anyone with a consistent track record of forecasts that are accurate would be able to name their price It's a forecast, not a guarantee. In any event the commentary from Spiegel was not just about the forecast but about the actual situation in the UK. The Spiegel article is excellent and exactly how i see things in the UK too - thank you for posting it. The issue I have with the current incarnation of the labour party is their mantra of “make Brexit work” which simply draws out the pain over an even longer period. It’s akin to rolling a turd in glitter putting it in an ornate box with a pretty bow on it and convincing yourself you have swiss chocolates inside it Country is slowly going to hell in a handcart and outsiders can see it better than the British sheeple |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 7:07:09 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 7:42:56 GMT
'vested interests in the UK'? Hang on. The Remain campaign was supported by all of the parties represented in the HoC, including the government of the day, big business including organisations like the CBI. Most of the media supported Remain, including the BBC and Sky. Practically every big company supported Remain. Just who or what are these 'vested interests' you allude to? As for having an informed debate before an election, the Remain campaign had that opportunity before the Brexit vote, and they choose the route of Operation Fear ! and what is this talk of 'the rabid nature of our right wing (predominantly) press'. You are aware that the majority of the press were in favour of Remain. Can you provide a list of the press that are 'right wing (predominantly) press'? "We should be able to have a reasoned debate which absolutely recognises that membership of the EU is not a Utopian ideal, but equally standing alone for a nation of our population and economy is detrimental to the economic well being of the general population." - That's not really a debate when you have already decided what the outcome should be. You are making things up. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 25, 2023 8:34:25 GMT
'vested interests in the UK'? Hang on. The Remain campaign was supported by all of the parties represented in the HoC, including the government of the day, big business including organisations like the CBI. Most of the media supported Remain, including the BBC and Sky. Practically every big company supported Remain. Just who or what are these 'vested interests' you allude to? As for having an informed debate before an election, the Remain campaign had that opportunity before the Brexit vote, and they choose the route of Operation Fear ! and what is this talk of 'the rabid nature of our right wing (predominantly) press'. You are aware that the majority of the press were in favour of Remain. Can you provide a list of the press that are 'right wing (predominantly) press'? "We should be able to have a reasoned debate which absolutely recognises that membership of the EU is not a Utopian ideal, but equally standing alone for a nation of our population and economy is detrimental to the economic well being of the general population." - That's not really a debate when you have already decided what the outcome should be. You are making things up. Project Fear has been proved to be correct. Wealth has seeped from the City of London. Our economy was the slowest to recover from pre Covid economies - www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/uk-is-only-g7-country-with-smaller-economy-than-before-covid-19We have fallen to 6th from 5th largest global economy We have politicians who are now prepared to break international law and dispense with human rights - our human rights as well of those of refugees And as I said to Bas some in power challenged our being in the EU for 40 years so we don't have to be quiet. We are supposed to be in a democracy where freedom of speak exists [for now] although that is gradually being whittled away.... Can you honestly say that Brexit is a success. If so, can you elaborate what the successes are? Cheers Oh and I certainly don't agree that the predominantly right wing press were pro-EU especially the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun etc The Sun even published an article that said the Queen back Brexit!! www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/which-newspapers-support-brexit_uk_5768fad2e4b0a4f99adc6525 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 9:10:18 GMT
Even the Unions supported Remain.
Once again, just who are the 'vested interests' that Oldie mentions?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 25, 2023 10:32:01 GMT
Even the Unions supported Remain.Once again, just who are the 'vested interests' that Oldie mentions? Really? I think you are wrong. Many unions wanted out as they saw the EU in hock to business and privatisation. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/four-union-leaders-argue-brexit-8126878Even Mick Lynch of the RMT backed Brexit! Vested interests - ask yourself who has made the most since Brexit, especially during Covid. Venture capitalists, some connected to Sunak, have made billions playing the market on the back of Brexit. Bankers in the City have had the cap on bonuses lifted. Non dom newspaper owners continuing to push anti EU scare mongering to sell their papers. How come so many MPs have EU passports? If Brexit was so good how come arch Brexiteers like Jim Ratcliffe moved his £billions abroad to Monaco? How come Dyson is building plants abroad? The EU was bringing in legislation against tax evasion and fraud, wouldn't suit the likes of Rees Mogg, Sunak, Javid who used non dom tax status or tax havens. The list goes on... |
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