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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 10:33:08 GMT
Oh, and one other thing. My last electricity monthly bill in Germany was approx. 750 quid ! Things are just as bad, if not worse in some areas, in other countries. That is with the heating turned down and using the log burner every night. It's not just a UK thing.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 10:45:00 GMT
Will watch it later. From what I’ve already read I think it will likely cement my belief that we are being exploited by an shady and shadowy elite in the background that are accruing vast wealth in offshore tax havens whilst the rest of us get immeasurably poorer. Corruption runs wide and deep in the UK in my opinion and is less honest than the corruption we might see in somewhere like Sudan. The EU was an existential threat to these people and hence why Brexit had to be fraudulently perpetrated, funded of course in part at least with Russian blood money |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 10:59:41 GMT
Even the Unions supported Remain.Once again, just who are the 'vested interests' that Oldie mentions? Really? I think you are wrong. Many unions wanted out as they saw the EU in hock to business and privatisation. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/four-union-leaders-argue-brexit-8126878Even Mick Lynch of the RMT backed Brexit! Vested interests - ask yourself who has made the most since Brexit, especially during Covid. Venture capitalists, some connected to Sunak, have made billions playing the market on the back of Brexit. Bankers in the City have had the cap on bonuses lifted. Non dom newspaper owners continuing to push anti EU scare mongering to sell their papers. How come so many MPs have EU passports? If Brexit was so good how come arch Brexiteers like Jim Ratcliffe moved his £billions abroad to Monaco? How come Dyson is building plants abroad? The EU was bringing in legislation against tax evasion and fraud, wouldn't suit the likes of Rees Mogg, Sunak, Javid who used non dom tax status or tax havens. The list goes on... Seems as though the Unions were a mite confused. BBC News"Trade union leaders have reached a common position on Brexit following a meeting with Jeremy Corbyn. The bosses of Labour's five-biggest affiliated unions back a referendum on any deal agreed by the Tory government or a no-deal exit from the EU. They are calling for voters to be given the option to remain in the EU and expect Labour to formally back remain. If Labour wins power in a general election, they want a "confirmatory vote" on any new deal negotiated." Venture Capitalists always make billions on the market. It's what they do. Nothing to do with Brexit. Caps lifted on Bankers? - So they should have been. Government has no place dictating the wages or salaries of people working in the Private Sector. Non Dom newspaper owners? - I've no idea who they are. MP's with EU passports? - I've no idea how many of them have 'EU passports' (I assume you mean a country in the EU, as an EU passport doesn't exist). How many are there, and is it a problem? My son has a UK passport and a German one. So what? Dyson moving his money to Monaco? - Once again, so what. Where he decides to live is up to him. This is something that has been actively promoted within the EU. You can take Luxembourg and their business rate tax as a prime example of that. Dyson building plants abroad? - Once again, so what! If other countries offer him large subsidies to build production plants there, and also tax breaks, he'd be a fool in the business sense not to take them up on the offers. Plus, he sees the future market as the Far East, which is an expanding market, as opposed to the EU, which is a market in decline. Nothing to do with Brexit. "The EU was bringing in legislation against tax evasion and fraud, wouldn't suit the likes of Rees Mogg, Sunak, Javid who used non dom tax status or tax havens." - Are you suggesting that the names you listed are involved in tax evasion and fraud? Once again though you are confirming that you believe EU law would take precedent over UK law which is something Remain have denied ever happened. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 11:04:40 GMT
Will watch it later. From what I’ve already read I think it will likely cement my belief that we are being exploited by an shady and shadowy elite in the background that are accruing vast wealth in offshore tax havens whilst the rest of us get immeasurably poorer. Corruption runs wide and deep in the UK in my opinion and is less honest than the corruption we might see in somewhere like Sudan. The EU was an existential threat to these people and hence why Brexit had to be fraudulently perpetrated, funded of course in part at least with Russian blood money Oh dear, that old red herring. Can you please show where "Russian Money" was used to fund the Leave campaign? I have no doubt the Russians were meddling, in the same way that the US, or the UK, or the EU etc etc meddle in other countries elections. It goes on everywhere and is nothing new. Was getting Obama on tv in the UK urging people to vote Remain meddling in another countries voting process? |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 13:40:25 GMT
Will watch it later. From what I’ve already read I think it will likely cement my belief that we are being exploited by an shady and shadowy elite in the background that are accruing vast wealth in offshore tax havens whilst the rest of us get immeasurably poorer. Corruption runs wide and deep in the UK in my opinion and is less honest than the corruption we might see in somewhere like Sudan. The EU was an existential threat to these people and hence why Brexit had to be fraudulently perpetrated, funded of course in part at least with Russian blood money Oh dear, that old red herring. Can you please show where "Russian Money" was used to fund the Leave campaign? I have no doubt the Russians were meddling, in the same way that the US, or the UK, or the EU etc etc meddle in other countries elections. It goes on everywhere and is nothing new. Was getting Obama on tv in the UK urging people to vote Remain meddling in another countries voting process? No categorical proof so this is my opinion based on what I’ve read. Given the lack of transparency with vote leave it would be difficult if not impossible to prove conclusively. Lots of evidence though to support my assertion eg www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexitArron Banks who was the biggest donor to vote leave is someone with known links to Russia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendumwww.thearticle.com/the-russia-report-who-paid-for-brexitThe UK Government also never sought to establish the extent of Russian involvement - wonder why? |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 13:43:03 GMT
Will watch it later. From what I’ve already read I think it will likely cement my belief that we are being exploited by an shady and shadowy elite in the background that are accruing vast wealth in offshore tax havens whilst the rest of us get immeasurably poorer. Corruption runs wide and deep in the UK in my opinion and is less honest than the corruption we might see in somewhere like Sudan. The EU was an existential threat to these people and hence why Brexit had to be fraudulently perpetrated, funded of course in part at least with Russian blood money Oh dear, that old red herring. Can you please show where "Russian Money" was used to fund the Leave campaign? I have no doubt the Russians were meddling, in the same way that the US, or the UK, or the EU etc etc meddle in other countries elections. It goes on everywhere and is nothing new. Was getting Obama on tv in the UK urging people to vote Remain meddling in another countries voting process? More subtle I believe than direct funding. But when firms are making a mint out of laundering "dirty money" through London it's not to accept the influence those £billions can bring to bear. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 13:45:02 GMT
Really? I think you are wrong. Many unions wanted out as they saw the EU in hock to business and privatisation. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/four-union-leaders-argue-brexit-8126878Even Mick Lynch of the RMT backed Brexit! Vested interests - ask yourself who has made the most since Brexit, especially during Covid. Venture capitalists, some connected to Sunak, have made billions playing the market on the back of Brexit. Bankers in the City have had the cap on bonuses lifted. Non dom newspaper owners continuing to push anti EU scare mongering to sell their papers. How come so many MPs have EU passports? If Brexit was so good how come arch Brexiteers like Jim Ratcliffe moved his £billions abroad to Monaco? How come Dyson is building plants abroad? The EU was bringing in legislation against tax evasion and fraud, wouldn't suit the likes of Rees Mogg, Sunak, Javid who used non dom tax status or tax havens. The list goes on... Seems as though the Unions were a mite confused. BBC News"Trade union leaders have reached a common position on Brexit following a meeting with Jeremy Corbyn. The bosses of Labour's five-biggest affiliated unions back a referendum on any deal agreed by the Tory government or a no-deal exit from the EU. They are calling for voters to be given the option to remain in the EU and expect Labour to formally back remain. If Labour wins power in a general election, they want a "confirmatory vote" on any new deal negotiated." Venture Capitalists always make billions on the market. It's what they do. Nothing to do with Brexit. Caps lifted on Bankers? - So they should have been. Government has no place dictating the wages or salaries of people working in the Private Sector. Non Dom newspaper owners? - I've no idea who they are. MP's with EU passports? - I've no idea how many of them have 'EU passports' (I assume you mean a country in the EU, as an EU passport doesn't exist). How many are there, and is it a problem? My son has a UK passport and a German one. So what? Dyson moving his money to Monaco? - Once again, so what. Where he decides to live is up to him. This is something that has been actively promoted within the EU. You can take Luxembourg and their business rate tax as a prime example of that. Dyson building plants abroad? - Once again, so what! If other countries offer him large subsidies to build production plants there, and also tax breaks, he'd be a fool in the business sense not to take them up on the offers. Plus, he sees the future market as the Far East, which is an expanding market, as opposed to the EU, which is a market in decline. Nothing to do with Brexit. "The EU was bringing in legislation against tax evasion and fraud, wouldn't suit the likes of Rees Mogg, Sunak, Javid who used non dom tax status or tax havens." - Are you suggesting that the names you listed are involved in tax evasion and fraud? Once again though you are confirming that you believe EU law would take precedent over UK law which is something Remain have denied ever happened. No they were not confused. Corbyn and his friends in the main unions were very pro brexit |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 13:50:26 GMT
Backing a confirmatory vote is also a very different thing from being in favour of either remain or leave
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 14:38:02 GMT
Backing a confirmatory vote is also a very different thing from being in favour of either remain or leave Um...."They are calling for voters to be given the option to remain in the EU and expect Labour to formally back remain." |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 14:45:06 GMT
Oh dear, that old red herring. Can you please show where "Russian Money" was used to fund the Leave campaign? I have no doubt the Russians were meddling, in the same way that the US, or the UK, or the EU etc etc meddle in other countries elections. It goes on everywhere and is nothing new. Was getting Obama on tv in the UK urging people to vote Remain meddling in another countries voting process? No categorical proof so this is my opinion based on what I’ve read. Given the lack of transparency with vote leave it would be difficult if not impossible to prove conclusively. Lots of evidence though to support my assertion eg www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexitArron Banks who was the biggest donor to vote leave is someone with known links to Russia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendumwww.thearticle.com/the-russia-report-who-paid-for-brexitThe UK Government also never sought to establish the extent of Russian involvement - wonder why? Point one: You say no proof just based on your opinion. OK. Point two: Aaron Banks has proven in a court of law that the claims made against him were totally false, and this was admitted by Carol Caldwaller (!). It's just another internet myth that keeps getting peddled. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 14:46:32 GMT
Oh dear, that old red herring. Can you please show where "Russian Money" was used to fund the Leave campaign? I have no doubt the Russians were meddling, in the same way that the US, or the UK, or the EU etc etc meddle in other countries elections. It goes on everywhere and is nothing new. Was getting Obama on tv in the UK urging people to vote Remain meddling in another countries voting process? More subtle I believe than direct funding. But when firms are making a mint out of laundering "dirty money" through London it's not to accept the influence those £billions can bring to bear. Pure conjecture, and nothing more. To paraphrase you Oldie, "Facts dear boy, facts!". |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 15:11:58 GMT
More subtle I believe than direct funding. But when firms are making a mint out of laundering "dirty money" through London it's not to accept the influence those £billions can bring to bear. Pure conjecture, and nothing more. To paraphrase you Oldie, "Facts dear boy, facts!". Dirty money in London is a fact. Watch The Spiders Web... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 15:21:30 GMT
Pure conjecture, and nothing more. To paraphrase you Oldie, "Facts dear boy, facts!". Dirty money in London is a fact. Watch The Spiders Web... I have no doubt there is dirty money in London. I also have no doubt that the same can be said for every major city in the world, but your opinion was just conjecture, nothing more. Favts dear boy, we need facts ! |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 15:30:00 GMT
Dirty money in London is a fact. Watch The Spiders Web... I have no doubt there is dirty money in London. I also have no doubt that the same can be said for every major city in the world, but your opinion was just conjecture, nothing more. Favts dear boy, we need facts ! Can't be bothered to list them all, but watch that documentary if you want the evidence |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 16:41:56 GMT
Backing a confirmatory vote is also a very different thing from being in favour of either remain or leave Um...."They are calling for voters to be given the option to remain in the EU and expect Labour to formally back remain." Again that is not the same as saying they back either side of the argument. It is stating the position they expect the Labour party would take. In the event neither thing happened as there was no referendum and labour’s position on Brexit was completely opaque to avoid upsetting red wall gammons As Oldie has said some of the union bosses eg Lynch were positively in favour of Brexit |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 25, 2023 16:48:32 GMT
Point one: You say no proof just based on your opinion. OK. Point two: Aaron Banks has proven in a court of law that the claims made against him were totally false, and this was admitted by Carol Caldwaller (!). It's just another internet myth that keeps getting peddled. It is a fact that Banks was the biggest donor to leave and that he has known connections to close associates of Putin and was meeting them in the lead up to the referendum. Impossible to prove that his donation was or was not funded by the Kremlin but it stinks to high heaven to me at least |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 17:16:52 GMT
Point one: You say no proof just based on your opinion. OK. Point two: Aaron Banks has proven in a court of law that the claims made against him were totally false, and this was admitted by Carol Caldwaller (!). It's just another internet myth that keeps getting peddled. It is a fact that Banks was the biggest donor to leave and that he has known connections to close associates of Putin and was meeting them in the lead up to the referendum. Impossible to prove that his donation was or was not funded by the Kremlin but it stinks to high heaven to me at least It stinks to everyone apart those with an impaired sense of smell. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 20:17:24 GMT
It is a fact that Banks was the biggest donor to leave and that he has known connections to close associates of Putin and was meeting them in the lead up to the referendum. Impossible to prove that his donation was or was not funded by the Kremlin but it stinks to high heaven to me at least It stinks to everyone apart those with an impaired sense of smell. You're so nice Oldie, always bringing the level of the debate down to the gutter. As I have stated, the allegations against Banks were proven to be false in the High Court. His main accuser, Caldwaler (!) admitted that her allegations were false. You and Mrs V are claiming he is guilty through association without a single shred of proof. Facts Oldie, we need facts, as you often say. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 25, 2023 20:22:00 GMT
I have no doubt there is dirty money in London. I also have no doubt that the same can be said for every major city in the world, but your opinion was just conjecture, nothing more. Favts dear boy, we need facts ! Can't be bothered to list them all, but watch that documentary if you want the evidence Ah, so you cannot be bothered to list the facts, but you're happy to accept a documentary. Righty ho. Why can't you admit that you have no facts regarding the point in question and it is just your opinion. It would save you from all your ducking and diving. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 25, 2023 20:23:36 GMT
Can't be bothered to list them all, but watch that documentary if you want the evidence Ah, so you cannot be bothered to list the facts, but you're happy to accept a documentary. Righty ho. Why can't you admit that you have no facts regarding the point in question and it is just your opinion. It would save you from all your ducking and diving. Oh do shut up Nobby, it's effing boring. Watch the documentary, I have, in full. All the documented evidence you need. |
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