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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 10:33:49 GMT
Shhhhhh.....you will be accused of hijacking a thread No. Perfectly valid to bring up a book which was co-written by Dominic Raab. Has anyone actually read it? Copy & pasting a grauniad review doesn't count. Truthfully I have not. But then I prefer the original thesis as put forward by Friedrich Hayek. "The Road to Serfdom" The musings of wannabe ultra liberals like the authors of that book do not really interest me. If I, or indeed anyone, needed confirmation of the intellectual bankruptcy of that group then the disastrous tenure as PM by Truss gave us all the evidence we need. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2023 10:45:48 GMT
No. Perfectly valid to bring up a book which was co-written by Dominic Raab. Has anyone actually read it? Copy & pasting a grauniad review doesn't count. Truthfully I have not. But then I prefer the original thesis as put forward by Friedrich Hayek. "The Road to Serfdom" The musings of wannabe ultra liberals like the authors of that book do not really interest me. If I, or indeed anyone, needed confirmation of the intellectual bankruptcy of that group then the disastrous tenure as PM by Truss gave us all the evidence we need. Not heard of Friedrich. Big fan of Selma though. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 10:52:04 GMT
Truthfully I have not. But then I prefer the original thesis as put forward by Friedrich Hayek. "The Road to Serfdom" The musings of wannabe ultra liberals like the authors of that book do not really interest me. If I, or indeed anyone, needed confirmation of the intellectual bankruptcy of that group then the disastrous tenure as PM by Truss gave us all the evidence we need. Not heard of Friedrich. Big fan of Selma though. Typical of the right, they don't even understand their own theories. There is always the Mail or Express I guess to inform opinion. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 23, 2023 12:32:15 GMT
Civil servants - jobs for life. But don't dare critisize them else their bottom lip will go all wobbly. Get them to work 6 months in the private sector and let them see what the real world looks like. Someone banged a table? Gracious! Get the smelling salts. Your poor little darlings. Pathetic, spineless, lazy, whimpering, covid rule-breaking, privileged babies. Grow up. And if you can't stand a bit of critism, get another job. I'm not sat on the fence with this one. What a staggeringly ill informed, slanderous and spiteful post. Based on what evidence? Worked in the civil service have you? Oddly enough in the Government Department I have worked in for the majority of the past 36 years many civil servants leave for the cushy life of the private sector where they are paid at least twice as much for doing equivalent work and where they are not subject to such vacuous opprobrium from right wing media and morons in the general public. Those that come in from the private sector last only a couple of years before their eyes are opened to how difficult most civil service jobs are. Think this section of the forum should be closed like the ex political one as it is a defacto politics section anyway. Close to having had enough of this forum in its entirety |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 12:36:32 GMT
Civil servants - jobs for life. But don't dare critisize them else their bottom lip will go all wobbly. Get them to work 6 months in the private sector and let them see what the real world looks like. Someone banged a table? Gracious! Get the smelling salts. Your poor little darlings. Pathetic, spineless, lazy, whimpering, covid rule-breaking, privileged babies. Grow up. And if you can't stand a bit of critism, get another job. I'm not sat on the fence with this one. What a staggeringly ill informed, slanderous and spiteful post. Based on what evidence? Worked in the civil service have you? Oddly enough in the Government Department I have worked in for the majority of the past 36 years many civil servants leave for the cushy life of the private sector where they are paid at least twice as much for doing equivalent work and where they are not subject to such vacuous opprobrium from right wing media and morons in the general public. Those that come in from the private sector last only a couple of years before their eyes are opened to how difficult most civil service jobs are. Think this section of the forum should be closed like the ex political one as it is a defacto politics section anyway. Close to having had enough of this forum in its entirety Agreed And subject to some very dubious censorship |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 23, 2023 13:46:48 GMT
One of the reasons Raab, Johnson and others hate the Civil Service is the fact that civil servants are supposed to support the Government of the day with their work but to remain non political and not let their personal views affect their duties. Hence the rise of SPADS like Dominic Cummings in Westminster. The USA suffers from the constant political appointments in the Governmental and Legal systems. Now the Tories want to import this idea from the States and the mayhem that goes with it. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-plan-to-politicise-whitehall-after-raab-as-sunak-accused-of-betrayal/ar-AA1adbax |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 23, 2023 13:52:45 GMT
I wonder why Civil Servants have Long Covid at over 3 times more than the national average?
Is it still near impossible to get the sack from the CS,bar assassinating Royalty or Politicians?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 23, 2023 15:06:38 GMT
I wonder why Civil Servants have Long Covid at over 3 times more than the national average? Is it still near impossible to get the sack from the CS,bar assassinating Royalty or Politicians? And your evidence to support this is?  ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2023 15:10:49 GMT
On relection, I would like to apologise for the phrase:
"Pathetic, spineless, lazy, whimpering, covid rule-breaking, privileged babies. Grow up. And if you can't stand a bit of critism, get another job."
It was meant as banter, rather than spite. But nevertheless apologies.
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 15:19:17 GMT
I wonder why Civil Servants have Long Covid at over 3 times more than the national average? Is it still near impossible to get the sack from the CS,bar assassinating Royalty or Politicians? And your evidence to support this is? ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. Nothing new really is there Mrs Smegma from this poster. |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 23, 2023 16:07:34 GMT
I wonder why Civil Servants have Long Covid at over 3 times more than the national average? Is it still near impossible to get the sack from the CS,bar assassinating Royalty or Politicians? And your evidence to support this is? ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. Telegraph,Amy Gibbons to name one.Think she wrote about a survey where civil servants were over twice as likely than the national average to have sick leave with long Covid. Skivers,Remainer sulkers etc get paid for not showing up. I believe Raab is right andthere are some in the CS trying to sabotage the Government's decisions. Bitter Lefties,angry and spiteful. Reading and listeningto them,I dread to think how some things will be if Labour get in power.We'll be too scared to think,let alone talk! I'll bet the sacking rate in the CS is well below similar work in the private sector too. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 16:16:51 GMT
And your evidence to support this is? ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. Telegraph,Amy Gibbons to name one.Think she wrote about a survey where civil servants were over twice as likely than the national average to have sick leave with long Covid. Skivers,Remainer sulkers etc get paid for not showing up. I believe Raab is right andthere are some in the CS trying to sabotage the Government's decisions. Bitter Lefties,angry and spiteful. Reading and listeningto them,I dread to think how some things will be if Labour get in power.We'll be too scared to think,let alone talk! I'll bet the sacking rate in the CS is well below similar work in the private sector too. 😂😂😂😂🤭🤭 |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 23, 2023 17:31:05 GMT
On relection, I would like to apologise for the phrase: "Pathetic, spineless, lazy, whimpering, covid rule-breaking, privileged babies. Grow up. And if you can't stand a bit of critism, get another job." It was meant as banter, rather than spite. But nevertheless apologies. Thank you. Gracious apology gladly accepted on my part at least |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 23, 2023 18:35:09 GMT
And your evidence to support this is? ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. Telegraph,Amy Gibbons to name one.Think she wrote about a survey where civil servants were over twice as likely than the national average to have sick leave with long Covid. Skivers,Remainer sulkers etc get paid for not showing up. I believe Raab is right andthere are some in the CS trying to sabotage the Government's decisions. Bitter Lefties,angry and spiteful. Reading and listeningto them,I dread to think how some things will be if Labour get in power.We'll be too scared to think,let alone talk! I'll bet the sacking rate in the CS is well below similar work in the private sector too. So a RW journalist who doubtless wrote an opinion based piece of click bait rather than one based on any hard statistical evidence. Likely the survey she refers out to is the annual Civil Service staff survey which the Govt is obliged to publish under its transparency agenda. The purpose of this survey is to capture the mood, engagement and how content employees are with their lot with the intent for Departments to improve working conditions where possible. There is a question in that survey that asks if people consider they are suffering from long covid. Impossible to draw any sensible conclusions from this one question other than X% think they have long covid because it does not ask if people are on sick leave for it, the survey is open to military staff and contractors to complete and we do not have a benchmark against public sector employers because their staff surveys are not published . If you erroneously conclude from that one question that civil servants take more long covid sick leave than the public sector then you'd also have to conclude that military staff do as well as private sector employees from Industry. There would be as much logic for correlating sale of refrigerators and the increase in violent crime and concluding that refrigerators are to blame. I could also draw an equally ludicrous opinion based conclusion that the response proves that public sector employees are more honest than private sector ones. You really have no clue at all do you. What have you contributed to society during your working life? Yet you have the brass f**king neck to sit in judgement of people that will have done more for the benefit of others in one week than you will in a lifetime. When you say “I think” its crystal clear that you either can’t or won’t and “I believe” or “I bet” cuts no ice with me because I’ve shat things with more substance. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Apr 23, 2023 18:38:07 GMT
And your evidence to support this is? ? From the ONS on long Covid stat: As a proportion of the UK population, the prevalence of self-reported long COVID was greatest in people aged 35 to 69 years, females, people living in more deprived areas, those working in social care, those aged 16 years and over who were not working and not looking for work, and those with another activity-limiting health condition or disability. Funnily enough Civil Servants are not highlighted in the official government stats though they will undoubtedly be within some of these groups You really do parrot some utter bollocks from the RW media don’t you without engaging any grey matter you may have in your cranium? You are also talking bollocks about sacking Civil servants. Plenty of reasons why one can be sacked other than Ministers not liking the advice they have been given. Nothing new really is there Mrs Smegma from this poster. Nothing new at all Oldie. Anyone can parrot headlined they’ve read in the RW media. Takes a bit more intelligence to assemble data and info into a coherent argument. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 18:55:59 GMT
Nothing new really is there Mrs Smegma from this poster. Nothing new at all Oldie. Anyone can parrot headlined they’ve read in the RW media. Takes a bit more intelligence to assemble data and info into a coherent argument. Absolutely This made me smile re the poster in question "What have you contributed to society during your working life? Yet you have the brass f**king neck to sit in judgement of people that will have done more for the benefit of others in one week than you will in a lifetime." Good question |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 23, 2023 19:51:02 GMT
Telegraph,Amy Gibbons to name one.Think she wrote about a survey where civil servants were over twice as likely than the national average to have sick leave with long Covid. Skivers,Remainer sulkers etc get paid for not showing up. I believe Raab is right andthere are some in the CS trying to sabotage the Government's decisions. Bitter Lefties,angry and spiteful. Reading and listeningto them,I dread to think how some things will be if Labour get in power.We'll be too scared to think,let alone talk! I'll bet the sacking rate in the CS is well below similar work in the private sector too. So a RW journalist who doubtless wrote an opinion based piece of click bait rather than one based on any hard statistical evidence. Likely the survey she refers out to is the annual Civil Service staff survey which the Govt is obliged to publish under its transparency agenda. The purpose of this survey is to capture the mood, engagement and how content employees are with their lot with the intent for Departments to improve working conditions where possible. There is a question in that survey that asks if people consider they are suffering from long covid. Impossible to draw any sensible conclusions from this one question other than X% think they have long covid because it does not ask if people are on sick leave for it, the survey is open to military staff and contractors to complete and we do not have a benchmark against public sector employers because their staff surveys are not published . If you erroneously conclude from that one question that civil servants take more long covid sick leave than the public sector then you'd also have to conclude that military staff do as well as private sector employees from Industry. There would be as much logic for correlating sale of refrigerators and the increase in violent crime and concluding that refrigerators are to blame. I could also draw an equally ludicrous opinion based conclusion that the response proves that public sector employees are more honest than private sector ones. You really have no clue at all do you. What have you contributed to society during your working life? Yet you have the brass f**king neck to sit in judgement of people that will have done more for the benefit of others in one week than you will in a lifetime. When you say “I think” its crystal clear that you either can’t or won’t and “I believe” or “I bet” cuts no ice with me because I’ve shat things with more substance. You assume the article was click bait.Well done.You do that alot guess things,make assumption then off you go. You really are an arrogant big head.What is so wonderful about being a civil servant.They're not angels,working for the good of mankind etc. Egotistical arrogant person. Get a grip on reality you arrogant rotter. I criticise some of them because I've seen them at work. You remind me of them perfectly. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2023 20:17:34 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 23, 2023 22:26:38 GMT
Mods Is this really necessary? Oh the irony. " You really have no clue at all do you. What have you contributed to society during your working life? Yet you have the brass f**king neck to sit in judgement of people that will have done more for the benefit of others in one week than you will in a lifetime. When you say “I think” its crystal clear that you either can’t or won’t and “I believe” or “I bet” cuts no ice with me because I’ve shat things with more substance. " You think that what was written there is ok Oldie? |
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2023 3:35:45 GMT
Mods Is this really necessary? Oh the irony. " You really have no clue at all do you. What have you contributed to society during your working life? Yet you have the brass f**king neck to sit in judgement of people that will have done more for the benefit of others in one week than you will in a lifetime. When you say “I think” its crystal clear that you either can’t or won’t and “I believe” or “I bet” cuts no ice with me because I’ve shat things with more substance. " You think that what was written there is ok Oldie? Why don't you ask the author? |
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