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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 9:54:27 GMT
Really It should be the parents teaching their kids, sadly, for so many it will be the kids teaching their parents after this It should be parents responsibility, but its a bit like kids and racism. Kids aren't born racist and are colour blind to others. Its when they start to engage in adult conversations they hear the bias. In fairness, they should be taught critical thinking, so that they can listen to each side of the argument and make up their own mind. "In fairness, they should be taught critical thinking, so that they can listen to each side of the argument and make up their own mind" So so true Cheshire. Then you read the voices of "unreason" on here who decry tertiary education where critical thinking is taught. Their views are largely as a result of their own inability to apply "critical thinking" |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 11, 2024 11:22:24 GMT
It should be parents responsibility, but its a bit like kids and racism. Kids aren't born racist and are colour blind to others. Its when they start to engage in adult conversations they hear the bias. In fairness, they should be taught critical thinking, so that they can listen to each side of the argument and make up their own mind. "In fairness, they should be taught critical thinking, so that they can listen to each side of the argument and make up their own mind" So so true Cheshire. Then you read the voices of "unreason" on here who decry tertiary education where critical thinking is taught. Their views are largely as a result of their own inability to apply "critical thinking" Critical thinking is taught much younger, but probably subject dependent. I certainly learnt it, history makes you question the sources and bias. My daughter is learning too and she's Year 7. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2024 11:59:28 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 12:23:35 GMT
"In fairness, they should be taught critical thinking, so that they can listen to each side of the argument and make up their own mind" So so true Cheshire. Then you read the voices of "unreason" on here who decry tertiary education where critical thinking is taught. Their views are largely as a result of their own inability to apply "critical thinking" Critical thinking is taught much younger, but probably subject dependent. I certainly learnt it, history makes you question the sources and bias. My daughter is learning too and she's Year 7. Yes of course. But wouldn't you agree that a challenge, to question, requires a degree of age related maturity? You mention history and for me that is a classic topic. My history education up to 14 at school was more propaganda than one that taught me context. 14-18 that changed when we discussed cause and effect, to name but one element. I have two 6 year old granddaughters in the States who go to a French/American school, it's fascinating to watch how their education is developing, incorporating French as a first language |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 12:24:52 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . You know this how? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 11, 2024 12:34:34 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . Bas, your obsession with the left ruling everything is totally off the scale. If the left have ruled schools for so long, how come we have had a radical right wing Government in power who have done bugger all for the working classes for the last 14 years!!! Why are white working class people angry, because the Tories have shafted them. Who has been running austerity for the last 14 years. Not Labour! Who has been shafting schools, the NHS, the defence forces, taking money from poor Labour area councils and giving it to true blue areas. Not Labour! Who has been pointing the finger at immigrants while bringing in hundreds of thousands of non-EU migrants and their families. Not Labour! You have believed the Tory propaganda that they are doing their best for the working class while shafting the areas they are in. If you believe Labour have done all this in 5 weeks, you really do need to sit back and revaluate what you believe and where you heard it buddy. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 12:40:37 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . Bas, your obsession with the left ruling everything is totally off the scale. If the left have ruled schools for so long, how come we have had a radical right wing Government in power who have done bugger all for the working classes for the last 14 years!!! Why are white working class people angry, because the Tories have shafted them. Who has been running austerity for the last 14 years. Not Labour! Who has been shafting schools, the NHS, the defence forces, taking money from poor Labour area councils and giving it to true blue areas. Not Labour! Who has been pointing the finger at immigrants while bringing in hundreds of thousands of non-EU migrants and their families. Not Labour! You have believed the Tory propaganda that they are doing their best for the working class while shafting the areas they are in. If you believe Labour have done all this in 5 weeks, you really do need to sit back and revaluate what you believe and where you heard it buddy. That's polite Cheshire. But to be fair to Basel, he is not the only one. I would argue that too many on here believe the propaganda and as a result, because it is propaganda, are manifestly incapable of explaining why they believe it. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2024 13:17:10 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . Bas, your obsession with the left ruling everything is totally off the scale. If the left have ruled schools for so long, how come we have had a radical right wing Government in power who have done bugger all for the working classes for the last 14 years!!! Why are white working class people angry, because the Tories have shafted them. Who has been running austerity for the last 14 years. Not Labour! Who has been shafting schools, the NHS, the defence forces, taking money from poor Labour area councils and giving it to true blue areas. Not Labour! Who has been pointing the finger at immigrants while bringing in hundreds of thousands of non-EU migrants and their families. Not Labour! You have believed the Tory propaganda that they are doing their best for the working class while shafting the areas they are in. If you believe Labour have done all this in 5 weeks, you really do need to sit back and revaluate what you believe and where you heard it buddy. Our school teachers and Uni lecturers are Woke left. It matters not who was the Government because the left woke movement have taken our education system. They will have more power now with this woke Government. I say they are cowards for the way they did not support the Batley school teacher his wife and children.Instead they allowed a religion,that still goes by the barbaric teachings from only 1 book,to threaten and bully our culture and free speech. I most certainly do not trust our education people. It's like they suffer from some kind of intellectual naivety or dishonesty. They have the ability to dig deep into their specialised subject and gain a huge understanding of it. When it comes to Islam a religion that is clearly failing Europe, UK and the US ,they apparently can't see further than insisting all ethnic groups other than British, must be allowed to enjoy their religion and culture in the West and to hell with the consequences . Islam is a factory of terrorism. Check its record. Now, all this does'nt necessarily mean all is lost regarding integrating Islam into the West. Thing is it needs Islam to change.To see a reformation that would see womens rights protected,gay peoples rights protected, a sense of humour created to protect eg Charlie Hebdow etc.Etc. Until Islam changes and our middle class woke mania calms down and discovers commonsense,then I'm afraid we remain on a course that will tragically see bloody violence. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 11, 2024 13:56:54 GMT
He hasn't even been served an injunction in regards to his upcoming court case, so any links about him that are now shared here are just propaganda, and bulls**t, that you lemmings continue to spread. The machine is working overdrive to make him the Boogyman for the past two weeks riots, and you guys are 'fooling'...yes, 'fooling' , not falling for it. Luckily, the rest of the UK are not. I asked this question on here the other day, but no one answered...Surprisingly. Why are the left, the establishment and the main stream media ,so obsessed with silencing the likes of Trump and Tommy Robinson etc..if they really are just "far right Nazis"...? If they are what the Media tells us they are,then why not just let them expose themselves as what they are? Is the answer that they are telling the truth? And the establishment are trying to silence them? When was the last leftie of huge influence that was censored? I can't remember one. Maybe JFK? That says it all. Sadly for you Ice, most of what has been posted up about him is a matter of public record That doesn't mean that it's all the truth, yet people do not seem to understand that. See I honestly do not believe everything that Mr Robinson has ever said,as I know he is has made mistakes.But I know for a fact that he is not the boogyman that some on here think,along the media tells us that he is. The classic example of this is the riots over the past two weeks. Tommy has consistently called for peaceful protests,and for calm, yet you all dismissed,or ignored it. I have proven this 3/4 times this week. Critical thinking was brought up here earlier, but how can anyone do any critical thinking if they only look at one side of the evidence, and the one that fits their own narrative for any source of balance. For example, I brought up about yourself and others on here watching the film Tommy is going to court for. You said that it was beneath you, or you wouldn't waste your time viewing it,as did others on here also. They only person that did on here was Top up, and I respect him for it, because he wanted to look up the facts for himself by watching it and then formed his opinion. See I follow people from the left side of political arena,as well as the right, and then I have form my own opinion's. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 14:00:37 GMT
Bas, your obsession with the left ruling everything is totally off the scale. If the left have ruled schools for so long, how come we have had a radical right wing Government in power who have done bugger all for the working classes for the last 14 years!!! Why are white working class people angry, because the Tories have shafted them. Who has been running austerity for the last 14 years. Not Labour! Who has been shafting schools, the NHS, the defence forces, taking money from poor Labour area councils and giving it to true blue areas. Not Labour! Who has been pointing the finger at immigrants while bringing in hundreds of thousands of non-EU migrants and their families. Not Labour! You have believed the Tory propaganda that they are doing their best for the working class while shafting the areas they are in. If you believe Labour have done all this in 5 weeks, you really do need to sit back and revaluate what you believe and where you heard it buddy. Our school teachers and Uni lecturers are Woke left. It matters not who was the Government because the left woke movement have taken our education system. They will have more power now with this woke Government. I say they are cowards for the way they did not support the Batley school teacher his wife and children.Instead they allowed a religion,that still goes by the barbaric teachings from only 1 book,to threaten and bully our culture and free speech. I most certainly do not trust our education people. It's like they suffer from some kind of intellectual naivety or dishonesty. They have the ability to dig deep into their specialised subject and gain a huge understanding of it. When it comes to Islam a religion that is clearly failing Europe, UK and the US ,they apparently can't see further than insisting all ethnic groups other than British, must be allowed to enjoy their religion and culture in the West and to hell with the consequences . Islam is a factory of terrorism. Check its record. Now, all this does'nt necessarily mean all is lost regarding integrating Islam into the West. Thing is it needs Islam to change.To see a reformation that would see womens rights protected,gay peoples rights protected, a sense of humour created to protect eg Charlie Hebdow etc.Etc. Until Islam changes and our middle class woke mania calms down and discovers commonsense,then I'm afraid we remain on a course that will tragically see bloody violence. "Our school teachers and Uni lecturers are Woke left." You know this how? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 14:05:36 GMT
Sadly for you Ice, most of what has been posted up about him is a matter of public record That doesn't mean that it's all the truth, yet people do not seem to understand that. See I honestly do not believe everything that Mr Robinson has ever said,as I know he is has made mistakes.But I know for a fact that he is not the boogyman that some on here think,along the media tells us that he is. The classic example of this is the riots over the past two weeks. Tommy has consistently called for peaceful protests,and for calm, yet you all dismissed,or ignored it. I have proven this 3/4 times this week. Critical thinking was brought up here earlier, but how can anyone do any critical thinking if they only look at one side of the evidence, and the one that fits their own narrative for any source of balance. For example, I brought up about yourself and others on here watching the film Tommy is going to court for. You said that it was beneath you, or you wouldn't waste your time viewing it,as did others on here also. They only person that did on here was Top up, and I respect him for it, because he wanted to look up the facts for himself by watching it and then formed his opinion. See I follow people from the left side of political arena,as well as the right, and then I have form my own opinion's. "Tommy has consistently called for peaceful protests,and for calm, yet you all dismissed,or ignored it. I have proven this 3/4 times this week." Yet he freely spread disinformation in relation to the murder of those kids. This invited those of a violent disposition to hold violent demonstrations. It was the court of law who found him guilty of slander and ordered him to pay compensation of £100,000. I believe he has not complied It was you ice who labelled our courts "kangaroo" courts. Our courts...not yours, not Robinson's, ours. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 11, 2024 14:47:34 GMT
Critical thinking is taught much younger, but probably subject dependent. I certainly learnt it, history makes you question the sources and bias. My daughter is learning too and she's Year 7. Yes of course. But wouldn't you agree that a challenge, to question, requires a degree of age related maturity? You mention history and for me that is a classic topic. My history education up to 14 at school was more propaganda than one that taught me context. 14-18 that changed when we discussed cause and effect, to name but one element. I have two 6 year old granddaughters in the States who go to a French/American school, it's fascinating to watch how their education is developing, incorporating French as a first language My dad would agree on the teaching in school, but that changed a long time ago. I certainly learnt how to critique from an early age. Life experience is also important, as well as age appropriate material. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 11, 2024 14:49:36 GMT
Hmm,sounds possibly like more Lefty brain washing in our education. By all means teach children to learn as much as possible about a certain subject ,weigh it up and try and come to a fair decision. Thing is,school teachers and down the line in education our University lecturers are so left wing,radical left wing,that I'm not sure they,with the backing of this Government can be trusted. The hatred these people have for the white working class,the Reform Party etc is shocking. The plight of the Batley school teacher and his family tells me not to trust the Government ,the teachers union and this "critical thinking" that I fear will be more woke brain washing. In short I don't trust our cowardly woke education people . Do you question what you read and hear on the Internet? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2024 14:58:13 GMT
Yes of course. But wouldn't you agree that a challenge, to question, requires a degree of age related maturity? You mention history and for me that is a classic topic. My history education up to 14 at school was more propaganda than one that taught me context. 14-18 that changed when we discussed cause and effect, to name but one element. I have two 6 year old granddaughters in the States who go to a French/American school, it's fascinating to watch how their education is developing, incorporating French as a first language My dad would agree on the teaching in school, but that changed a long time ago. I certainly learnt how to critique from an early age. Life experience is also important, as well as age appropriate material. That's a very nice jibe 😂 |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 11, 2024 15:14:48 GMT
That doesn't mean that it's all the truth, yet people do not seem to understand that. See I honestly do not believe everything that Mr Robinson has ever said,as I know he is has made mistakes.But I know for a fact that he is not the boogyman that some on here think,along the media tells us that he is. The classic example of this is the riots over the past two weeks. Tommy has consistently called for peaceful protests,and for calm, yet you all dismissed,or ignored it. I have proven this 3/4 times this week. Critical thinking was brought up here earlier, but how can anyone do any critical thinking if they only look at one side of the evidence, and the one that fits their own narrative for any source of balance. For example, I brought up about yourself and others on here watching the film Tommy is going to court for. You said that it was beneath you, or you wouldn't waste your time viewing it,as did others on here also. They only person that did on here was Top up, and I respect him for it, because he wanted to look up the facts for himself by watching it and then formed his opinion. See I follow people from the left side of political arena,as well as the right, and then I have form my own opinion's. "Tommy has consistently called for peaceful protests,and for calm, yet you all dismissed,or ignored it. I have proven this 3/4 times this week." Yet he freely spread disinformation in relation to the murder of those kids. This invited those of a violent disposition to hold violent demonstrations. It was the court of law who found him guilty of slander and ordered him to pay compensation of £100,000. I believe he has not complied It was you ice who labelled our courts "kangaroo" courts. Our courts...not yours, not Robinson's, ours. You just completely deflected what I said, but that's fine. Its a lovely afternoon, and its to hot to argue. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2024 15:23:19 GMT
Elon Musk dares the "racist" Humza Yousaf to sue him.
Well done Elon!
Taking on the British woke authority.
EM has said ,Humza Yousaf is racist against white people .He also called him scumbag.
Will Yousaf dare to sue Musk?
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Post by francegas on Aug 11, 2024 15:37:45 GMT
Put it this way if school teachers were all right wing do you honestly think Starmer would even be considering giving the vote to 16 yr olds.... of course he wouldn't.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 11, 2024 15:41:35 GMT
Put it this way if school teachers were all right wing do you honestly think Starmer would even be considering giving the vote to 16 yr olds.... of course he wouldn't. If that's true about teachers, then maybe it's because they see the consequences of Conservative policies on the most vulnerable in society. 🧐 |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 11, 2024 15:42:25 GMT
My dad would agree on the teaching in school, but that changed a long time ago. I certainly learnt how to critique from an early age. Life experience is also important, as well as age appropriate material. That's a very nice jibe 😂 😘 |
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