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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 10, 2023 20:45:48 GMT
And people were questioning why the Police tasered the kid waving a knife around a few weeks ago. This answer that one doesn't it.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 11, 2023 13:40:29 GMT
Lilia Valutyte stabbing: Man killed 9-year-old girl, jury finds..i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30441039.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/0_SWNS_LILIA_FUNERAL_001.jpgA man stabbed to death a 9-year-old girl as she played in the street last summer, a jury has concluded. Lilia Valutyte died from a single stab wound to the chest in Boston on 28th July, Lincoln Crown Court heard. Deividas Skebas was found unfit to plead due to his mental health. In a trial of the facts, the jury determined he had killed Lilia. The 23-year-old is expected to be sentenced to a hospital order at a later date. The jury of six men and six women took 30 minutes to make their decision. Lilia was playing in Fountain Lane in the Lincolnshire town, outside the shop where her mother worked, when Skebas stabbed her.
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Post by trymer on Jul 11, 2023 17:29:38 GMT
And people were questioning why the Police tasered the kid waving a knife around a few weeks ago. This answer that one doesn't it. Exactly. A 3 inch blade in the right place can be fatal it doesnt matter the age of the knife wielder....anybody with a knife must be treated as a potential killer. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 11, 2023 17:33:06 GMT
Lilia Valutyte stabbing: Man killed 9-year-old girl, jury finds..i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30441039.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/0_SWNS_LILIA_FUNERAL_001.jpgA man stabbed to death a 9-year-old girl as she played in the street last summer, a jury has concluded. Lilia Valutyte died from a single stab wound to the chest in Boston on 28th July, Lincoln Crown Court heard. Deividas Skebas was found unfit to plead due to his mental health. In a trial of the facts, the jury determined he had killed Lilia. The 23-year-old is expected to be sentenced to a hospital order at a later date. The jury of six men and six women took 30 minutes to make their decision. Lilia was playing in Fountain Lane in the Lincolnshire town, outside the shop where her mother worked, when Skebas stabbed her. Mental health...how many more ? Another one just on the news Zephaniah Mcleod, stabbed several people killing one.....guess what ? yes,mental health issues. Last week they were reporting on Maher Maaroufe...killed a student in her hall of residence by coating her throat.....you can guess the rest.... |
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Post by oldie on Jul 11, 2023 17:44:32 GMT
And people were questioning why the Police tasered the kid waving a knife around a few weeks ago. This answer that one doesn't it. Exactly. A 3 inch blade in the right place can be fatal it doesnt matter the age of the knife wielder....anybody with a knife must be treated as a potential killer. 2 or more properly trained officers, wearing appropriate "stab vest" protection, against a kid. Ffs. I remember once at an away game one of our lot confronted the home support after they slapped a silly boy from our end. The question "So you feel the big man do you, hitting a 16 year old?" The bloke melted, we walked on. Never felt prouder of our lot |
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Post by trymer on Jul 12, 2023 14:09:25 GMT
More deadly stabbings reported in London.
A 16 year old fatally stabbed in a random attack in West Ham park Newham,4 arrests one a 14 year old !
A man died shortly after walking into a hospital with stab wounds.
Two more 'very rare incidents'.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 12, 2023 15:30:02 GMT
Exactly. A 3 inch blade in the right place can be fatal it doesnt matter the age of the knife wielder....anybody with a knife must be treated as a potential killer. 2 or more properly trained officers, wearing appropriate "stab vest" protection, against a kid. Ffs. I remember once at an away game one of our lot confronted the home support after they slapped a silly boy from our end. The question "So you feel the big man do you, hitting a 16 year old?" The bloke melted, we walked on. Never felt prouder of our lot Are you seriously thinking that a stab vest offers total protection? What gives you the right to demand someone else (a Police Officer) risks their lives just to support your views? |
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Post by trymer on Jul 12, 2023 15:46:28 GMT
2 or more properly trained officers, wearing appropriate "stab vest" protection, against a kid. Ffs. I remember once at an away game one of our lot confronted the home support after they slapped a silly boy from our end. The question "So you feel the big man do you, hitting a 16 year old?" The bloke melted, we walked on. Never felt prouder of our lot Are you seriously thinking that a stab vest offers total protection? What gives you the right to demand someone else (a Police Officer) risks their lives just to support your views? Maybe its a massive stab vest that protects your jugular vein,femoral artery and wrists ? more a suit of armour than a vest really. Any blade of 3 inches or longer can kill,any person of any age carrying such a weapon is a danger to life and should be dealt with accordingly. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2023 18:14:24 GMT
2 or more properly trained officers, wearing appropriate "stab vest" protection, against a kid. Ffs. I remember once at an away game one of our lot confronted the home support after they slapped a silly boy from our end. The question "So you feel the big man do you, hitting a 16 year old?" The bloke melted, we walked on. Never felt prouder of our lot Are you seriously thinking that a stab vest offers total protection? What gives you the right to demand someone else (a Police Officer) risks their lives just to support your views? Never suggested that. I believe you served in the Armed Forces. Right? So would you have refused an assignment unless you had 100% guarantees as to your safety? It's the same thing, is it not? It's nothing to do with my "views"...you are making up a story. I |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 12, 2023 19:37:19 GMT
Are you seriously thinking that a stab vest offers total protection? What gives you the right to demand someone else (a Police Officer) risks their lives just to support your views? Never suggested that. I believe you served in the Armed Forces. Right? So would you have refused an assignment unless you had 100% guarantees as to your safety? It's the same thing, is it not? It's nothing to do with my "views"...you are making up a story. I I am not making anything up. What gives you the right to demand anyone risk their lives when there is a safer option available?I Even in the military you take every precaution possible to ensure the safety of the men. Foe example, why storm a building, which is very risky, when you can flatten the building with something else? Yes, the men are trained to storm that building, but why risk their lives when there are far safer options available? |
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2023 19:45:27 GMT
Never suggested that. I believe you served in the Armed Forces. Right? So would you have refused an assignment unless you had 100% guarantees as to your safety? It's the same thing, is it not? It's nothing to do with my "views"...you are making up a story. I I am not making anything up. What gives you the right to demand anyone risk their lives when there is a safer option available?I Even in the military you take every precaution possible to ensure the safety of the men. Foe example, why storm a building, which is very risky, when you can flatten the building with something else? Yes, the men are trained to storm that building, but why risk their lives when there are far safer options available? I don't demand anything. I don't demand that people join the arm forces, I don't demand that people join the Police Force. I never have. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 13, 2023 9:58:25 GMT
I am not making anything up. What gives you the right to demand anyone risk their lives when there is a safer option available?I Even in the military you take every precaution possible to ensure the safety of the men. Foe example, why storm a building, which is very risky, when you can flatten the building with something else? Yes, the men are trained to storm that building, but why risk their lives when there are far safer options available? I don't demand anything. I don't demand that people join the arm forces, I don't demand that people join the Police Force. I never have. But you think that they should approach and disarm someone waving a knife around instead of tasering them. You've made that quite clear. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 13, 2023 14:56:03 GMT
Two 17 years olds were sentenced today for stabbing a 16 year old to death in Wolverhampton,one must serve a minimum of 18 years the other a minimum of 16 years.
Very commendably Judge justice Choudhury said that he wanted the sentences to reflect the seriousness of knife crime.
The lad who was murdered was totally innocent and it was a case of mistaken identity.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 13, 2023 15:23:57 GMT
Two 17 years olds were sentenced today for stabbing a 16 year old to death in Wolverhampton,one must serve a minimum of 18 years the other a minimum of 16 years. Very commendably Judge justice Choudhury said that he wanted the sentences to reflect the seriousness of knife crime. The lad who was murdered was totally innocent and it was a case of mistaken identity. Even if they serve the minimum terms, they both could be out and will only be 35 and 33 years old, able to lead perfectly long lives, maybe 40 more years. Where is the justice for this mistaken identity murder, one of them had a sword he bought online... |
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Post by oldie on Jul 13, 2023 15:29:15 GMT
I don't demand anything. I don't demand that people join the arm forces, I don't demand that people join the Police Force. I never have. But you think that they should approach and disarm someone waving a knife around instead of tasering them. You've made that quite clear. To be clear, I didn't say that. I queried why, when there were more than one fully trained officers in attendance, they could not over power a child. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 14, 2023 6:36:15 GMT
But you think that they should approach and disarm someone waving a knife around instead of tasering them. You've made that quite clear. To be clear, I didn't say that. I queried why, when there were more than one fully trained officers in attendance, they could not over power a child. Then please explain to us how you 'overpower' someone waving a knife around. I can't wait to hear this. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 14, 2023 8:13:41 GMT
But you think that they should approach and disarm someone waving a knife around instead of tasering them. You've made that quite clear. To be clear, I didn't say that. I queried why, when there were more than one fully trained officers in attendance, they could not over power a child. My wife, an ambulance medic, had to recently attend a 17 year old rich kids £1mln house, that [as they were informed] daddy, who is very wealthy, had bought him. He was smacked off his face on a cocktail of drugs. He was having a party and his friends had called as he was getting verbally abusive and aggressive. They were trying to restrain him from driving his top of the range Range Rover having only just passed his test. My wife and her partner had to call the police as he was threatening them physically. It took 8 police officers to restrain him and several were injured doing so. Had he had a weapon heaven knows what damage he could have done. They did not use tasers. This is not isolated, my wife and her colleagues are regularly threatened and/or physically assaulted, often by young people, usually by the people they trying to help. There are houses they will not go into until they have a police presence. Crewe drug dens are attended with armed officers! The excuses given by assailants are drink, drugs or mental health. The latter means they usually get off scot free. Most cases rarely get to court. The bosses are terrified of doing anything! My wife sticks with it because she is getting near to retirement and the few 'genuine' patients who need the big yellow taxi make up for it. I understand your sentiment Oldie but sadly the world has changed since burly policemen [mostly men in the old days] could use brute force. They are more likely to end up being sued for using excessive force. And young people are more and more carrying weapons. Years ago I would have been horrified at a young person being tasered. Today I am surprised the police are so restrained. That sadly is the world we live in. 2022 - www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ambulance-staff-abuse-nhs-b2023553.html |
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Post by oldie on Jul 14, 2023 8:52:46 GMT
To be clear, I didn't say that. I queried why, when there were more than one fully trained officers in attendance, they could not over power a child. My wife, an ambulance medic, had to recently attend a 17 year old rich kids £1mln house, that [as they were informed] daddy, who is very wealthy, had bought him. He was smacked off his face on a cocktail of drugs. He was having a party and his friends had called as he was getting verbally abusive and aggressive. They were trying to restrain him from driving his top of the range Range Rover having only just passed his test. My wife and her partner had to call the police as he was threatening them physically. It took 8 police officers to restrain him and several were injured doing so. Had he had a weapon heaven knows what damage he could have done. They did not use tasers. This is not isolated, my wife and her colleagues are regularly threatened and/or physically assaulted, often by young people, usually by the people they trying to help. There are houses they will not go into until they have a police presence. Crewe drug dens are attended with armed officers! The excuses given by assailants are drink, drugs or mental health. The latter means they usually get off scot free. Most cases rarely get to court. The bosses are terrified of doing anything! My wife sticks with it because she is getting near to retirement and the few 'genuine' patients who need the big yellow taxi make up for it. I understand your sentiment Oldie but sadly the world has changed since burly policemen [mostly men in the old days] could use brute force. They are more likely to end up being sued for using excessive force. And young people are more and more carrying weapons. Years ago I would have been horrified at a young person being tasered. Today I am surprised the police are so restrained. That sadly is the world we live in. 2022 - www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ambulance-staff-abuse-nhs-b2023553.htmlRight. Well, no one can argue with those experiences. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 14, 2023 10:54:15 GMT
Two 17 years olds were sentenced today for stabbing a 16 year old to death in Wolverhampton,one must serve a minimum of 18 years the other a minimum of 16 years. Very commendably Judge justice Choudhury said that he wanted the sentences to reflect the seriousness of knife crime. The lad who was murdered was totally innocent and it was a case of mistaken identity. Even if they serve the minimum terms, they both could be out and will only be 35 and 33 years old, able to lead perfectly long lives, maybe 40 more years. Where is the justice for this mistaken identity murder, one of them had a sword he bought online... Justice would be execution for the evil pair,sadly that isnt an option at the moment but things could change. Sentencing guidelines hamper the judges, they have to take into account the murderers ages (what about the victims age ?) if they have shown remorse,if they plead guilty, this can make their sentence lighter....a load of BS,they bought sword and machete took them into the street and murdered a lad thats all that should matter. |
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 15, 2023 15:56:52 GMT
Brent stabbing: Teenager killed after birthday party..i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30474159.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/1_PAY-Brent-Murder-scene.jpgA murder investigation is under way after a 17-year-old boy was stabbed following a birthday party in north-west London. Police and London Ambulance Service were called to Granville Road, Kilburn, at 11.22pm on Friday following reports of a fight and a stabbing. A 17-year-old boy was pronounced dead at the scene. Another teenage boy and a woman in her early 20s were treated at the scene before being taken to hospital. Formal identification of the boy who died has yet to take place. Det Ch Insp Mark Rogers said: "We believe that there was a fight following a birthday party, which would have been attended by a number of people. "I would urge anyone who was there, and who has not yet spoken with officers, to please come forward. "It is vital that we establish what happened." A crime scene cordon remains in place. No arrests have been made. Ch Supt Dan Knowles, in charge of the North West Command Unit which polices Kilburn, said: "I know that the community will be shocked by this incident in which a young man has lost his life."
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