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Post by Icegas on Aug 10, 2024 1:13:28 GMT
It's interesting that there are a few on here trying rather hard to prove the far right haven't been the main or even partial instigators of the recent troubles. I would suggest whether on the ground or stepping back, the far right are up to their armpits in this, and if not involved directly are using their poor uneducated troops on the ground, ie the thugs and football hooligans (much the same thing). But that aside, I just wonder why there have been so many posts giving some form of evidence or opinion suggesting the far right are squeaky clean in this issue. What's the motivation for that then? The damage that those lunatics who are now in government have done in just ' one month' of ..'ruling us' is unbelievable,along with indefensible,and it has turned this country into a Authoritarian state in only 36 days. The 'leftie' berks...have all been seemly controlled by the puppet masters of this country, as well as by the main stream media..and you all have reacted as they wanted you to - in regards to anyone that shared a different opinion to them,and yourself. If you brought up any concern's, or worries about..'legal'..'illegal' and 'mass immigration' you have been deemed as a "far right Nazi "... Again, disgusting by you all.. I ask..Can anyone on here, prove to me one thing that I have ever said that is racist..? I ask for you to answer the same about others on here also.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 10, 2024 1:29:50 GMT
It's interesting that there are a few on here trying rather hard to prove the far right haven't been the main or even partial instigators of the recent troubles. I would suggest whether on the ground or stepping back, the far right are up to their armpits in this, and if not involved directly are using their poor uneducated troops on the ground, ie the thugs and football hooligans (much the same thing). But that aside, I just wonder why there have been so many posts giving some form of evidence or opinion suggesting the far right are squeaky clean in this issue. What's the motivation for that then? Hey,the far right are scum. The only political faction that are more dangerous then them, are the radical left. The 'RADICAL' left, always try to grab the moral narrative, and try to control what the perception is of what's 'right' and what's from 'wrong.' I went to Castle Park last weekend...To protest. ° I wasn't violent...I simply sat on a wall,and watched. What I ended up watching was a riot between Antifa thugs from the left, and football Hooligans and thugs on the right. There was of course the presence of the "far right" at castle park, but that was less the 15% of the people who rioted a week ago at a guess. The media wants to say otherwise.
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Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2024 5:50:06 GMT
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 8:27:18 GMT
It's interesting that there are a few on here trying rather hard to prove the far right haven't been the main or even partial instigators of the recent troubles. I would suggest whether on the ground or stepping back, the far right are up to their armpits in this, and if not involved directly are using their poor uneducated troops on the ground, ie the thugs and football hooligans (much the same thing). But that aside, I just wonder why there have been so many posts giving some form of evidence or opinion suggesting the far right are squeaky clean in this issue. What's the motivation for that then? The damage that those lunatics who are now in government have done in just ' one month' of ..'ruling us' is unbelievable,along with indefensible,and it has turned this country into a Authoritarian state in only 36 days. The 'leftie' berks...have all been seemly controlled by the puppet masters of this country, as well as by the main stream media..and you all have reacted as they wanted you to - in regards to anyone that shared a different opinion to them,and yourself. If you brought up any concern's, or worries about..'legal'..'illegal' and 'mass immigration' you have been deemed as a "far right Nazi "... Again, disgusting by you all.. I ask..Can anyone on here, prove to me one thing that I have ever said that is racist..? I ask for you to answer the same about others on here also. You're wasting your time ice,the narrative on here from some is that 'the far right' are responsible for the riots and if you suggest otherwise or ask for proof then that means that you are 'far right' too. The character that you have responded to called me a 'dangerous ,nasty racist' despite many appeals for proof by showing any racist posts made by me there has been nothing, I also asked for a retraction again nothing, I offered him the opportunity to make the claims to my face and (of course) nothing...too 'dangerous' i suppose. The problem that I have with a lot of this 'far right' nonsense is that it supresses the truth, living in Bristol i am still waiting to find out where the rumour of the Old Market to Easton march came from
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Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2024 8:54:01 GMT
It's all a bit Machiavellian, this claim of rumour and counter rumour. The fact is we had hundreds of thugs rioting and destroying property up and down the country, largely predicated upon a false narrative the lunatic who killed those kids was an asylum seeker and was a Muslim. This false narrative was spread further by people like members of the Reform Party and the idiot Tommy Robinson. The police appear to believe the threat from these nut jobs is still live, they have greater intelligence based information than anyone on here. A larger counter demonstrations against the nut job takes place, it's peaceful and passes off without incident. Yet posters on here are enraged, demanding to know who told them about a demo that did not materialise...it's beyond parody it really is.
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:01:20 GMT
It's all a bit Machiavellian, this claim of rumour and counter rumour. The fact is we had hundreds of thugs rioting and destroying property up and down the country, largely predicated upon a false narrative the lunatic who killed those kids was an asylum seeker and was a Muslim. This false narrative was spread further by people like members of the Reform Party and the idiot Tommy Robinson. The police appear to believe the threat from these nut jobs is still live, they have greater intelligence based information than anyone on here. A larger counter demonstrations against the nut job takes place, it's peaceful and passes off without incident. Yet posters on here are enraged, demanding to know who told them about a demo that did not materialise...it's beyond parody it really is. Well for a start it wasnt 'without incident' 200 thugs ran off to Castle park and then threw stuff at the Police an arrest was made. Why are you so seemingly afraid of people asking for the source of the rumour ? I understand that you dont live in Bristol but in a quiet village many miles away so maybe what happens here is of little interest to you so why are you so upset about people who do actually live here asking questions about happenings in their city ?..
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:03:51 GMT
Very odd that after the 2011 riots we all understood that after the initial riot the rest were just copycat riots and looters taking advantage, but the riots last week are some how different, imo it was exactly the same pattern of events.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 10, 2024 9:09:15 GMT
It's interesting that there are a few on here trying rather hard to prove the far right haven't been the main or even partial instigators of the recent troubles. I would suggest whether on the ground or stepping back, the far right are up to their armpits in this, and if not involved directly are using their poor uneducated troops on the ground, ie the thugs and football hooligans (much the same thing). But that aside, I just wonder why there have been so many posts giving some form of evidence or opinion suggesting the far right are squeaky clean in this issue. What's the motivation for that then? The damage that those lunatics who are now in government have done in just ' one month' of ..'ruling us' is unbelievable,along with indefensible,and it has turned this country into a Authoritarian state in only 36 days. The 'leftie' berks...have all been seemly controlled by the puppet masters of this country, as well as by the main stream media..and you all have reacted as they wanted you to - in regards to anyone that shared a different opinion to them,and yourself. If you brought up any concern's, or worries about..'legal'..'illegal' and 'mass immigration' you have been deemed as a "far right Nazi "...
Again, disgusting by you all.. I ask..Can anyone on here, prove to me one thing that I have ever said that is racist..? I ask for you to answer the same about others on here also. Bringing up concerns doesn't make you a Nazi, unless you are voicing hatred and encouraging violence. Those who have been called 'far right' by the Government are those who have been rioting, looting, burning, vandalising and attacking the police on the pretext of claiming the streets back, while throwing hatred and abuse at anyone who doesn't look or think like them. As for being manipulated, who reacted to disinformation online encouraged by right wing icons? The Government hasn't been encouraging anyone to riot, loot, etc As for turning the country into an authoritarian state, not even Hitler could do that with the propagandist Goebbels by his side. Sorry but that doesn't stack up.
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:13:32 GMT
The damage that those lunatics who are now in government have done in just ' one month' of ..'ruling us' is unbelievable,along with indefensible,and it has turned this country into a Authoritarian state in only 36 days. The 'leftie' berks...have all been seemly controlled by the puppet masters of this country, as well as by the main stream media..and you all have reacted as they wanted you to - in regards to anyone that shared a different opinion to them,and yourself. If you brought up any concern's, or worries about..'legal'..'illegal' and 'mass immigration' you have been deemed as a "far right Nazi "...
Again, disgusting by you all.. I ask..Can anyone on here, prove to me one thing that I have ever said that is racist..? I ask for you to answer the same about others on here also. Those who have been called 'far right' by the Government are those who have been rioting, looting, burning, vandalising and attacking the police on the pretext of claiming the streets back, while throwing hatred and abuse at anyone who doesn't look or think like them. So were the Harehills rioters 'far right' Cheshire ? or the ones in Birmingham who attacked a pub and beat up a white bloke or the ones in Croydon / or the 2011 rioters ? ot the BLM ones in London a few years ago....why not just call them all rioters and thugs ? why are these 'far right'.
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Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2024 9:15:09 GMT
"Well for a start it wasnt 'without incident' 200 thugs ran off to Castle park and then threw stuff at the Police an arrest was made."
What the police said
"Avon & Somerset Police’s Bristol commander, superintendent Mark Runacres, said: “We know our communities were worried about what might happen but the vast majority of people displayed exemplary behaviour.
“I’m extremely grateful for the assistance we’ve had from community and business leaders both in the lead up to, and during, tonight’s operation. Their support has been invaluable.
“I’d also like to highlight the patience and generosity shown to my officers by local people and businesses. One cafe brought out hot drinks which were hugely appreciated…"
Not your narrative
And I am not upset. I am pointing out the facts that violent demonstrations had occured and that the police thought/think there may well be more. I think it is hilarious that many more people turned up than the right wing thugs and the police praised them for their exemplary behaviour.
Meanwhile there are some very strange people lurking in the shadows whispering "who told them"
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Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2024 9:18:28 GMT
The damage that those lunatics who are now in government have done in just ' one month' of ..'ruling us' is unbelievable,along with indefensible,and it has turned this country into a Authoritarian state in only 36 days. The 'leftie' berks...have all been seemly controlled by the puppet masters of this country, as well as by the main stream media..and you all have reacted as they wanted you to - in regards to anyone that shared a different opinion to them,and yourself. If you brought up any concern's, or worries about..'legal'..'illegal' and 'mass immigration' you have been deemed as a "far right Nazi "...
Again, disgusting by you all.. I ask..Can anyone on here, prove to me one thing that I have ever said that is racist..? I ask for you to answer the same about others on here also. Bringing up concerns doesn't make you a Nazi, unless you are voicing hatred and encouraging violence. Those who have been called 'far right' by the Government are those who have been rioting, looting, burning, vandalising and attacking the police on the pretext of claiming the streets back, while throwing hatred and abuse at anyone who doesn't look or think like them. As for being manipulated, who reacted to disinformation online encouraged by right wing icons? The Government hasn't been encouraging anyone to riot, loot, etc As for turning the country into an authoritarian state, not even Hitler could do that with the propagandist Goebbels by his side. Sorry but that doesn't stack up. You can try and explain Cheshire, but its casting seed on rocky ground
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:22:26 GMT
"Well for a start it wasnt 'without incident' 200 thugs ran off to Castle park and then threw stuff at the Police an arrest was made." What the police said "Avon & Somerset Police’s Bristol commander, superintendent Mark Runacres, said: “We know our communities were worried about what might happen but the vast majority of people displayed exemplary behaviour. “I’m extremely grateful for the assistance we’ve had from community and business leaders both in the lead up to, and during, tonight’s operation. Their support has been invaluable. “I’d also like to highlight the patience and generosity shown to my officers by local people and businesses. One cafe brought out hot drinks which were hugely appreciated…" Not your narrative And I am not upset. I am pointing out the facts that violent demonstrations had occured and that the police thought/think there may well be more. I think it is hilarious that many more people turned up than the right wing thugs and the police praised them for their exemplary behaviour. Meanwhile there are some very strange people lurking in the shadows whispering "who told them" Well my 'narrative' was reported locally , maybe BT will find it. Yes I can imagine that you think that people are 'strange' for wanting to know the truth about what happens in the city that they live in, far more convenient for people to accept your narrative about the 'far right' being to blame for everthing that goes wrong.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 10, 2024 9:31:54 GMT
Those who have been called 'far right' by the Government are those who have been rioting, looting, burning, vandalising and attacking the police on the pretext of claiming the streets back, while throwing hatred and abuse at anyone who doesn't look or think like them. So were the Harehills rioters 'far right' Cheshire ? or the ones in Birmingham who attacked a pub and beat up a white bloke or the ones in Croydon / or the 2011 rioters ? ot the BLM ones in London a few years ago....why not just call them all rioters and thugs ? why are these 'far right'. The Harehills riots were rightly called out by the PM & Home Secretary for initially being about a family dispute amongst Roma people and gradually others got involved. The BLM marches were called out as far left by the Johnson Government and right leaning newspapers [Daily Telegraph Feb 2021] at the time and also as 'woke' and 'revolutionary activists'. I guess that's where both sides have liked to label. The current and past protests and riots have fallen within what is regarded as the right to left political spectrum, the idea of which which has been around since the French Revolution and developed to encompass the range of political beliefs from communist to fascist, radical to reactionary, absolute Government to no Government, and so on
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:38:22 GMT
So were the Harehills rioters 'far right' Cheshire ? or the ones in Birmingham who attacked a pub and beat up a white bloke or the ones in Croydon / or the 2011 rioters ? ot the BLM ones in London a few years ago....why not just call them all rioters and thugs ? why are these 'far right'. The Harehills riots were rightly called out by the PM & Home Secretary for initially being about a family dispute amongst Roma people and gradually others got involved. The BLM marches were called out as far left by the Johnson Government and right leaning newspapers [Daily Telegraph Feb 2021] at the time and also as 'woke' and 'revolutionary activists'. I guess that's where both sides have liked to label. The current and past protests and riots have fallen within what is regarded as the right to left political spectrum, the idea of which which has been around since the French Revolution and developed to encompass the range of political beliefs from communist to fascist, radical to reactionary, absolute Government to no Government, and so on Many years ago the rioters would have been called a drunken mob, we have had riots in Bristol before and it was nothing to do with politics not the 'far right' or 'revolutionary activists' just an incident leading to plain thuggery,sometimes fuelled by alcohol. I still intend to question the rumour which started off here in Bristol about this Old Market to Easton march, where did it originate ? of course now theres another question which is why are certain people so against anyone asking for the source of the rumour ?
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 9:42:23 GMT
So were the Harehills rioters 'far right' Cheshire ? or the ones in Birmingham who attacked a pub and beat up a white bloke or the ones in Croydon / or the 2011 rioters ? ot the BLM ones in London a few years ago....why not just call them all rioters and thugs ? why are these 'far right'. The Harehills riots were rightly called out by the PM & Home Secretary for initially being about a family dispute amongst Roma people and gradually others got involved. The BLM marches were called out as far left by the Johnson Government and right leaning newspapers [Daily Telegraph Feb 2021] at the time and also as 'woke' and 'revolutionary activists'. I guess that's where both sides have liked to label. The current and past protests and riots have fallen within what is regarded as the right to left political spectrum, the idea of which which has been around since the French Revolution and developed to encompass the range of political beliefs from communist to fascist, radical to reactionary, absolute Government to no Government, and so on The point that I was trying to make Cheshire is cant the riots that I listed be classed as 'far right' because the vast majority of rioters were non white ? but as most of the drunks and chavs involved in these riots seemed to be white they are 'far right' ? is that the code for Starmer etc white rioters = 'far right' ? if so its lazy and dangerous imo.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 10, 2024 10:06:09 GMT
The Harehills riots were rightly called out by the PM & Home Secretary for initially being about a family dispute amongst Roma people and gradually others got involved. The BLM marches were called out as far left by the Johnson Government and right leaning newspapers [Daily Telegraph Feb 2021] at the time and also as 'woke' and 'revolutionary activists'. I guess that's where both sides have liked to label. The current and past protests and riots have fallen within what is regarded as the right to left political spectrum, the idea of which which has been around since the French Revolution and developed to encompass the range of political beliefs from communist to fascist, radical to reactionary, absolute Government to no Government, and so on The point that I was trying to make Cheshire is cant the riots that I listed be classed as 'far right' because the vast majority of rioters were non white ? but as most of the drunks and chavs involved in these riots seemed to be white they are 'far right' ? is that the code for Starmer etc white rioters = 'far right' ? if so its lazy and dangerous imo. The riots you mentioned weren't all classed as far right because of what they claimed to be about and where the intent or philosophy behind them falls on the left-right spectrum I mention. Harehills was a muddle at the time and it took a while to find out that it was just that. BLM was seen by some as far left because they were attacking those, like slave merchants and those in power ultimately [the police were seen in the US as a legitimate State target], who would be considered to lean more towards the right. The rioters and looters were, so say, attacking the principles of those Bas would call 'woke' or 'lefties' who support freedom of movement, and hence immigration. The problem is we love labels and the left-right spectrum masks the true nature of what has happened and simply creates a divide between people as is seen on this forum. We are all Gasheads but people allow themselves to create often aggressive divides. Some on here could be described as leaning towards far right or far left in their views, so when they get called such they get offended whereas that is where their views would be judged to sit by an independent viewer. It ultimately depends on how the tag is thrown or received.... But at the end, we need to call them all out as violent riots when they stray away from 'protest' to 'riot' and 'looting'. PS it's not just Starmer who has used such tropes. Johnson and co loved them.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 10, 2024 13:58:02 GMT
A group of about 200 so far have gathered outside the Reform Partys HQ,apparently blaming Farage for the riots.
Antisemites, Hamas supporters.
Ironically with placards showing swastikas being thrown into a rubbish bin.
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Post by aghast on Aug 10, 2024 15:22:44 GMT
A group of about 200 so far have gathered outside the Reform Partys HQ,apparently blaming Farage for the riots. Antisemites, Hamas supporters. Ironically with placards showing swastikas being thrown into a rubbish bin. I wonder what percentage of that 200 would actually consider themselves antisemitic as opposed to anti-Israeli government? We'll never know but it's probably somewhere in between what you would guess (100%?) and what I would guess. Same applies to Hamas, but probably rather more in that category. Anyway I hope it goes peacefully and it's very handy for The Albert, a huge and magnificent Victorian boozer where I used to drink regularly some years ago.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 10, 2024 18:13:14 GMT
A group of about 200 so far have gathered outside the Reform Partys HQ,apparently blaming Farage for the riots. Antisemites, Hamas supporters. Ironically with placards showing swastikas being thrown into a rubbish bin. LBC and Evening Standard estimate about 2,500 before they moved off down Whitehall. No signs of riots, damage to property or looting yet.
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