Icegas
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Post by Icegas on Jul 31, 2024 18:00:10 GMT
Just to add my two pence worth. 1. Should Starmer have been heckled whilst laying a wreath.....No probably not. What he should have done is to have spoken to locals and reassure them what he plans to do rather than just walk off As should have Cooper. 2. Starmer should have returned to Parliament and immediately announce that from midnight anyone unlawfully carrying a knife will face a full 5 year prison sentence ...but no he didn't do that. 3. The Police should have announced the background of the individual arrested. Had the assailant been white you can bet your bottom dollar they would have announced that along the lines of "today we arrested a white 17yr old youth on suspicion of murder and attempted murder". The total silence of this "potentially" speaks volumes and that is why people are jumping to their own conclusions. 4. Should the name of the individual be released....absolutely it should. Little Jamie Bulgers killers names were released and they were aged 10. This individual is apparently 17. 5. Do I belive every one on the streets last night were far right. Absolutely not. I'm sure many were but likewise I believe others were angry irate locals with no links to any far right organisation. Great post, agreed with every word. The point about a ban on knifes from midnight should have been done. I know that the default prime minister is only a month into his job, but there is absolutely no leadership skills there with this man. In regards to this whole mess - mass immigration,the boats ,terrorist attacks etc .. I personally feel with this government in charge, like I am character in a horror film waiting in a room under the stars waiting for the killer to open the door to kill,and I have nothing to protect myself with. All this is going to end up in more disaster than we have already.Ive just seen other videos of a knife attack today in Ipswich and London. The country is going to go up in flames very soon. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 18:27:51 GMT
Just to add my two pence worth. 1. Should Starmer have been heckled whilst laying a wreath.....No probably not. What he should have done is to have spoken to locals and reassure them what he plans to do rather than just walk off As should have Cooper. 2. Starmer should have returned to Parliament and immediately announce that from midnight anyone unlawfully carrying a knife will face a full 5 year prison sentence ...but no he didn't do that. 3. The Police should have announced the background of the individual arrested. Had the assailant been white you can bet your bottom dollar they would have announced that along the lines of "today we arrested a white 17yr old youth on suspicion of murder and attempted murder". The total silence of this "potentially" speaks volumes and that is why people are jumping to their own conclusions. 4. Should the name of the individual be released....absolutely it should. Little Jamie Bulgers killers names were released and they were aged 10. This individual is apparently 17. 5. Do I belive every one on the streets last night were far right. Absolutely not. I'm sure many were but likewise I believe others were angry irate locals with no links to any far right organisation. At the moment, you can face a 4 year prison sentence for carrying so not far off what you are asking for. What benefit is there in releasing his details prior to being charged? With regards to releasing names, that's for the judge to decide at trial which is what happened with the Bulger case. It may satisfy idle curiosity but I'd say it makes for poor law and sets a precedent. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 31, 2024 18:50:36 GMT
I must have missed that post,where was that ? Oh please. This sort of hinting strongly at things leaving no doubt what is meant, but not quite coming out and saying the precise words (to avoid a ban and to plead innocence), and we all know how it works on here, is getting stretched beyond reason. The fact you knew immediately you had not said the word African, but reported it on here as soon as some right winger reported it on X, shows you know exactly what I meant. You need to be more subtle, since you're getting a bit careless. Come on stop hiding,man up and admit that you were lying.... |
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Post by trymer on Jul 31, 2024 18:52:34 GMT
Just to add my two pence worth. 1. Should Starmer have been heckled whilst laying a wreath.....No probably not. What he should have done is to have spoken to locals and reassure them what he plans to do rather than just walk off As should have Cooper. 2. Starmer should have returned to Parliament and immediately announce that from midnight anyone unlawfully carrying a knife will face a full 5 year prison sentence ...but no he didn't do that. 3. The Police should have announced the background of the individual arrested. Had the assailant been white you can bet your bottom dollar they would have announced that along the lines of "today we arrested a white 17yr old youth on suspicion of murder and attempted murder". The total silence of this "potentially" speaks volumes and that is why people are jumping to their own conclusions. 4. Should the name of the individual be released....absolutely it should. Little Jamie Bulgers killers names were released and they were aged 10. This individual is apparently 17. 5. Do I belive every one on the streets last night were far right. Absolutely not. I'm sure many were but likewise I believe others were angry irate locals with no links to any far right organisation. At the moment, you can face a 4 year prison sentence for carrying so not far off what you are asking for. What benefit is there in releasing his details prior to being charged? With regards to releasing names, that's for the judge to decide at trial which is what happened with the Bulger case. It may satisfy idle curiosity but I'd say it makes for poor law and sets a precedent. I agree that 5 years wouldnt be much difference to 4,make it 10 years and make them serve the 10 years. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 18:52:44 GMT
Oh please. This sort of hinting strongly at things leaving no doubt what is meant, but not quite coming out and saying the precise words (to avoid a ban and to plead innocence), and we all know how it works on here, is getting stretched beyond reason. The fact you knew immediately you had not said the word African, but reported it on here as soon as some right winger reported it on X, shows you know exactly what I meant. You need to be more subtle, since you're getting a bit careless. Come on stop hiding,man up and admit that you were lying.... Fair's fair, maybe Aghast is waiting for Bas to answer my question first. 😁 |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 18:53:44 GMT
At the moment, you can face a 4 year prison sentence for carrying so not far off what you are asking for. What benefit is there in releasing his details prior to being charged? With regards to releasing names, that's for the judge to decide at trial which is what happened with the Bulger case. It may satisfy idle curiosity but I'd say it makes for poor law and sets a precedent. I agree that 5 years wouldnt be much difference to 4,make it 10 years and make them serve the 10 years. It's being caught and successfully prosecuted rather than the sentence itself, I would argue. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 31, 2024 18:56:02 GMT
I agree that 5 years wouldnt be much difference to 4,make it 10 years and make them serve the 10 years. It's being caught and successfully prosecuted rather than the sentence itself, I would argue. A few ten year sentences dished out would be a deterrent to a lot of people. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 31, 2024 18:57:06 GMT
Come on stop hiding,man up and admit that you were lying.... Fair's fair, maybe Aghast is waiting for Bas to answer my question first. 😁 No,he is just hiding,he knows that he will have to admit lying. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 19:01:39 GMT
It's being caught and successfully prosecuted rather than the sentence itself, I would argue. A few ten year sentences dished out would be a deterrent to a lot of people. Have to be caught first. I've no problem with 10 years if that is what happens. |
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Icegas
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Post by Icegas on Jul 31, 2024 19:40:51 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Jul 31, 2024 19:54:49 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 19:59:14 GMT
Just for the record, from Sky News:
After a charge is officially made, we the media can share the name, address, occupation and charge details for an adult, unless additional legal restrictions apply.
However, as we mentioned above, if a suspect is under 18, we can't publish the name, or other details that are likely to lead to their identification.
Once the case is over - and if the defendant is found guilty - then the courts may issue an order to lift reporting restrictions meaning they can be named despite their age.
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Icegas
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Post by Icegas on Jul 31, 2024 20:14:27 GMT
Just for the record, from Sky News: After a charge is officially made, we the media can share the name, address, occupation and charge details for an adult, unless additional legal restrictions apply. However, as we mentioned above, if a suspect is under 18, we can't publish the name, or other details that are likely to lead to their identification. Once the case is over - and if the defendant is found guilty - then the courts may issue an order to lift reporting restrictions meaning they can be named despite their age. I guess this is the closest to the answer we will get until he is 18... But look at his hands. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 20:16:44 GMT
Just for the record, from Sky News: After a charge is officially made, we the media can share the name, address, occupation and charge details for an adult, unless additional legal restrictions apply. However, as we mentioned above, if a suspect is under 18, we can't publish the name, or other details that are likely to lead to their identification. Once the case is over - and if the defendant is found guilty - then the courts may issue an order to lift reporting restrictions meaning they can be named despite their age. I guess this is the closest to the answer we will get until he is 18... But look at his hands. What about his hands? |
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Icegas
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Post by Icegas on Jul 31, 2024 20:35:37 GMT
I guess this is the closest to the answer we will get until he is 18... But look at his hands. What about his hands? Its the closest we will see what ethnicity he is. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 20:41:22 GMT
Its the closest we will see what ethnicity he is. Inconclusive, besides, what does it matter? It's already been reported he is UK born of Rwandan parents. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2024 20:43:14 GMT
Its the closest we will see what ethnicity he is. Oh Jesus Will this witch hunt ever conclude? It seems a few are absolutely hung up about this guy's ethnicity |
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Post by aghast on Jul 31, 2024 20:44:01 GMT
Oh please. This sort of hinting strongly at things leaving no doubt what is meant, but not quite coming out and saying the precise words (to avoid a ban and to plead innocence), and we all know how it works on here, is getting stretched beyond reason. The fact you knew immediately you had not said the word African, but reported it on here as soon as some right winger reported it on X, shows you know exactly what I meant. You need to be more subtle, since you're getting a bit careless. Come on stop hiding,man up and admit that you were lying.... I'm not hiding..I just haven't been on the forum because I have a life. And I'm not lying. It's an opinion, I'll grant you that, but it's not a lie. The motives of some people on here are despicable. I stand by my opinion. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2024 20:44:21 GMT
Its the closest we will see what ethnicity he is. Inconclusive, besides, what does it matter? It's already been reported he is UK born of Rwandan parents. Nut jobs Baldrick, masquerading as patriots. Nut jobs |
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2024 20:46:54 GMT
Come on stop hiding,man up and admit that you were lying.... Fair's fair, maybe Aghast is waiting for Bas to answer my question first. 😁 And pigs might fly |
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