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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:22:15 GMT
There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... Also a final few words from Albert Pierrepoint, the UK last Official Executioner - “All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that . . . I have not prevented a single murder,”
“The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertaste: that I do not now believe that any of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge.”Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. Excellent, female MP goes on a "dance programme", joins Reform, waxes lyrical about capital punishment and She is a religious convert from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism, and was a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship. Is she a direct descendent of Judge Jeffries? This'll learn em "As was traditional for those convicted of treason, the condemned men were hung, drawn and quartered, and their heads were taken and displayed on spikes in Dorchester and other towns around Dorset." |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:31:20 GMT
Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. Excellent, female MP goes on a "dance programme", joins Reform, waxes lyrical about capital punishment and She is a religious convert from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism, and was a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship. Is she a direct descendent of Judge Jeffries? This'll learn em "As was traditional for those convicted of treason, the condemned men were hung, drawn and quartered, and their heads were taken and displayed on spikes in Dorchester and other towns around Dorset." Quite the show off post Oldie.Almost a shame it's so ineffective. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 19:32:56 GMT
There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... Also a final few words from Albert Pierrepoint, the UK last Official Executioner - “All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that . . . I have not prevented a single murder,”
“The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertaste: that I do not now believe that any of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge.”Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. Ann Widdecombe Bas,I agree she talks a lot of sense...of course our friends on here from MLM (murderers lives matter) wont like her at all. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:36:21 GMT
Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. Ann Widdecombe Bas,I agree she talks a lot of sense...of course our friends on here from MLM (murderers lives matter) wont like her at all. Thanks Trymer,yes Anne Widdecombe. I've seen her talk on the capital punishment subject a couple of times and never heard anyone call her out on it. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 19:36:56 GMT
I am. If I said King Charlie boy was ripping us with his income from the Crown Estate, nothing happens. If I was in Dubai and said His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum was taking the piss and filtering billions into his personal accounts there would be a knock on the door. There is would be a knock on your door it you are a woman that has asked for a divorce from your husband, and he refuses it agree to it so you run away - by law the police will return you to him as you are classed as his property. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:40:04 GMT
I am. If I said King Charlie boy was ripping us with his income from the Crown Estate, nothing happens. If I was in Dubai and said His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum was taking the piss and filtering billions into his personal accounts there would be a knock on the door. There is would be a knock on your door it you are a woman that has asked for a divorce from your husband, and he refuses it agree to it so you run away - by law the police will return you to him as you are classed as his property. So you agree London is safer?🤫 |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:41:39 GMT
Excellent, female MP goes on a "dance programme", joins Reform, waxes lyrical about capital punishment and She is a religious convert from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism, and was a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship. Is she a direct descendent of Judge Jeffries? This'll learn em "As was traditional for those convicted of treason, the condemned men were hung, drawn and quartered, and their heads were taken and displayed on spikes in Dorchester and other towns around Dorset." Quite the show off post Oldie.Almost a shame it's so ineffective. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Truth. And I am an atheist |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 19:47:23 GMT
There is would be a knock on your door it you are a woman that has asked for a divorce from your husband, and he refuses it agree to it so you run away - by law the police will return you to him as you are classed as his property. So you agree London is safer?🤫 In regards to freedom of expression against the state, agreed. In terms of being attack,robbed or murdered for nothing no. London has become the cesspool of the Western world. Apart from if the Gas gets to Wembley, I will never enter that hell hole again. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:54:46 GMT
Quite the show off post Oldie.Almost a shame it's so ineffective. "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Truth. And I am an atheist Still,it suits your God complex. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:56:03 GMT
So you agree London is safer?🤫 In regards to freedom of expression against the state, agreed. In terms of being attack,robbed or murdered for nothing no. London has become the cesspool of the Western world. Apart from if the Gas gets to Wembley, I will never enter that hell hole again. Worked there for around 25 years. Never had a problem. It's a brilliant city |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:57:41 GMT
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Truth. And I am an atheist Still,it suits your God complex. Woof, woof woof |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:59:45 GMT
Still,it suits your God complex. Woof, woof woof You won't be receiving what is "holy" Fido. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 20:01:15 GMT
Ann Widdecombe Bas,I agree she talks a lot of sense...of course our friends on here from MLM (murderers lives matter) wont like her at all. Thanks Trymer,yes Anne Widdecombe. I've seen her talk on the capital punishment subject a couple of times and never heard anyone call her out on it. I have read a bit about Singapore and it sounds like they have a lot of the right ideas,the place is very low crime, they crack down hard on drugs and lets be honest a large part of Britains problems are drug related. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 20:09:20 GMT
Thanks Trymer,yes Anne Widdecombe. I've seen her talk on the capital punishment subject a couple of times and never heard anyone call her out on it. I have read a bit about Singapore and it sounds like they have a lot of the right ideas,the place is very low crime, they crack down hard on drugs and lets be honest a large part of Britains problems are drug related. They also ask families to report on family members and neighbours. It's rich and pretty, not so much if you are low skilled labour |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 21:02:52 GMT
In regards to freedom of expression against the state, agreed. In terms of being attack,robbed or murdered for nothing no. London has become the cesspool of the Western world. Apart from if the Gas gets to Wembley, I will never enter that hell hole again. Worked there for around 25 years. Never had a problem. It's a brilliant city Until when was that? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 25, 2024 21:17:12 GMT
There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... But we are not a civilised country anymore are we? And...if we were, then this thread wouldn't have been opened, or this topic being talked about by all in here,that's the point. What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai? So you would support the full implementation of Sharia law in the UK. For heaven's sake don't tell Bas Great as long as you are male. For women it is a nightmare at times. Mind you Bas wants to take us back to 1867 on public executions so women's rights must be out the window as well. The good and bad -
Women in the UAE are allowed to drive, vote, work, and own and inherit property. A report from the In the World Economic Forum ranked the UAE second-best, external in the Middle East and North African (Mena) region for gender equality.
However, context is important.
In the WEF's Global Gender Gap report, the Mena [Middle East & North Africa] region had the lowest score of all the regions - and apart from Israel, none of its countries were in the top 100. The UAE was ranked 120th in the world out of 153. And while the UAE does have an anti-discrimination law, sex and gender aren't included in its definition of discrimination.
Then, while women do have rights, under the Personal Status Law some of these are dependent on the formal approval of a male "guardian" - that is a man, often a spouse or other male relative, who grants a woman permission to do certain things. Although the UAE's guardianship laws aren't as strict or wide-reaching as neighbouring Saudi Arabia's, they do impact women's lives. At other times, where women do have rights, it is hard in practice for women to defend them in a court of law.
One aspect of a woman's personal life that is affected is marriage: a woman needs the permission of a male guardian to wed. Other areas include the custody of children, and inheritance. But there are also unofficial forms of guardianship that aren't codified in law but are carried out in practice, Hiba Zayadin, Human Rights Watch's Mena researcher, tells BBC News.
More here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56065527 - good bits about divorce for women and domestic abuse. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 25, 2024 21:28:15 GMT
There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... Also a final few words from Albert Pierrepoint, the UK last Official Executioner - “All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that . . . I have not prevented a single murder,”
“The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertaste: that I do not now believe that any of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge.”Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. What do you have to say about Albert Pierrepoint's thoughts that his executions had not acted as a deterrent and that capital punishment is about revenge? Try these stats - researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8224/CBP-8224.pdfThe first chart shows that murders per capita have fallen since 2000 and that they are maintaining around 10 deaths per million. Even though as you say we have this tidal wave of asylum seekers coming to change the UK, there has not been a sudden increase in murders per head of population. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 21:33:01 GMT
Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. What do you have to say about Albert Pierrepoint's thoughts that his executions had not acted as a deterrent and that capital punishment is about revenge? Try these stats - researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8224/CBP-8224.pdfThe first chart shows that murders per capita have fallen since 2000 and that they are maintaining around 10 deaths per million. Even though as you say we have this tidal wave of asylum seekers coming to change the UK, there has not been a sudden increase in murders per head of population. These murders Chesh. Were they capital punishable? Obviously not all murders are or were. The 5 year study I speak of stuck to capital punishment crime. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 22:04:41 GMT
But we are not a civilised country anymore are we? And...if we were, then this thread wouldn't have been opened, or this topic being talked about by all in here,that's the point. What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai? So you would support the full implementation of Sharia law in the UK. For heaven's sake don't tell Bas Great as long as you are male. For women it is a nightmare at times. Mind you Bas wants to take us back to 1867 on public executions so women's rights must be out the window as well. The good and bad -
Women in the UAE are allowed to drive, vote, work, and own and inherit property. A report from the In the World Economic Forum ranked the UAE second-best, external in the Middle East and North African (Mena) region for gender equality.
However, context is important.
In the WEF's Global Gender Gap report, the Mena [Middle East & North Africa] region had the lowest score of all the regions - and apart from Israel, none of its countries were in the top 100. The UAE was ranked 120th in the world out of 153. And while the UAE does have an anti-discrimination law, sex and gender aren't included in its definition of discrimination.
Then, while women do have rights, under the Personal Status Law some of these are dependent on the formal approval of a male "guardian" - that is a man, often a spouse or other male relative, who grants a woman permission to do certain things. Although the UAE's guardianship laws aren't as strict or wide-reaching as neighbouring Saudi Arabia's, they do impact women's lives. At other times, where women do have rights, it is hard in practice for women to defend them in a court of law.
One aspect of a woman's personal life that is affected is marriage: a woman needs the permission of a male guardian to wed. Other areas include the custody of children, and inheritance. But there are also unofficial forms of guardianship that aren't codified in law but are carried out in practice, Hiba Zayadin, Human Rights Watch's Mena researcher, tells BBC News.
More here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56065527 - good bits about divorce for women and domestic abuse. Are you honestly on the wind up? Where have I said anything about wanting Sharia law? 😆 That's the last thing I would want on our shores, and pretty much all my arguments on here against islam and its take over of the Western world, including here in the UK is in opposition to it as it's coming, but due to Political weakness,and Correctness the radial left are supporting the mass movement of Muslims to this country,that one day or not,will result in Sharia law here if this continues over the next 10/20 years. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 25, 2024 22:17:34 GMT
Are you honestly on the wind up? Where have I said anything about wanting Sharia law? 😆 That's the last thing I would want on our shores, and pretty much all my arguments on here against islam and its take over of the Western world, including here in the UK is in opposition to it as it's coming, but due to Political weakness,and Correctness the radial left are supporting the mass movement of Muslims to this country,that one day or not,will result in Sharia law here if this continues over the next 10/20 years. Sorry Icegas, you have indicated and intimated that Dubai where they have Sharia law is civilised and safer than the UK and they have Sharia law. You say - But we are not a civilised country anymore are we?
What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai?
So if we are not civilised nor as safe as Dubai, I thought you were saying you want to be more like Dubai and safe as they are. Hence introduce Sharia Law! |
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