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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 13:24:19 GMT
Answering a question with a question? I asked a question of you. You asked a question back about someone else. I do not speak for others. If you have an issue with their responses, then please take it up with them. So, why does the semi literate have to be "white"? Have to be? Nobody has to be. Some people just are. And Mickey taking aside, skin colour is not relevant whether it be literacy, violence or any form of stupidity. That really is my point If that really is your 'point' whý even say these semi literate people are white? I am pretty sure that if someone else had written that same sentence, and replaced 'white' with 'black' you'd be all over it. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 13:26:40 GMT
Various individuals have always carried knives,I have known several and they didnt fit in with the 'cowardly cant fight' stereotype of knife carriers they werent youngsters either.
I also knew of another knife carrier a friend of friends,they called him Ming the merciless,he stabbed an injured a drug dealer who had the temerity to ask my friends if they wanted to buy his wares,some while later he stabbed and killed someone,nobody was surprised.
Those people all happened to be white but there does seem to be an explosion of knife carrying and stabbings in younger people/children over the last 20 or so years,Googled 'black on black crime London' and a 2022 London assembly release said that although the black population of London is only 13 % (really ?) 61% of knife murder perpetrators are black !
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
Have to be? Nobody has to be. Some people just are. And Mickey taking aside, skin colour is not relevant whether it be literacy, violence or any form of stupidity. That really is my point If that really is your 'point' whý even say these semi literate people are white? I am pretty sure that if someone else had written that same sentence, and replaced 'white' with 'black' you'd be all over it. He is boosting his credentials with the audience of 'right on' types from Gaschat no doubt. I wonder about literacy,are people more likely to commit crimes or go to prison if they are illiterate ? there certainly seem to be a lot more illiterate people or people below the average level of literacy now than there used to be. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 13:52:38 GMT
Various individuals have always carried knives,I have known several and they didnt fit in with the 'cowardly cant fight' stereotype of knife carriers they werent youngsters either. I also knew of another knife carrier a friend of friends,they called him Ming the merciless,he stabbed an injured a drug dealer who had the temerity to ask my friends if they wanted to buy his wares,some while later he stabbed and killed someone,nobody was surprised. Those people all happened to be white but there does seem to be an explosion of knife carrying and stabbings in younger people/children over the last 20 or so years,Googled 'black on black crime London' and a 2022 London assembly release said that although the black population of London is only 13 % (really ?) 61% of knife murder perpetrators are black ! This b'stard Esan is black. Absolutely no surprise. Bring back hanging,it was a deterrent. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 14:05:06 GMT
Various individuals have always carried knives,I have known several and they didnt fit in with the 'cowardly cant fight' stereotype of knife carriers they werent youngsters either. I also knew of another knife carrier a friend of friends,they called him Ming the merciless,he stabbed an injured a drug dealer who had the temerity to ask my friends if they wanted to buy his wares,some while later he stabbed and killed someone,nobody was surprised. Those people all happened to be white but there does seem to be an explosion of knife carrying and stabbings in younger people/children over the last 20 or so years,Googled 'black on black crime London' and a 2022 London assembly release said that although the black population of London is only 13 % (really ?) 61% of knife murder perpetrators are black ! This b'stard Esan is black. Absolutely no surprise. Bring back hanging,it was a deterrent. Bas whether he is black or white makes no difference,its the crime to he has committed thats the problem. Esan,that nutter last week with the suitcases full of body parts,Valdo Calocanne have all committed violent murders / attempted murders and no doubt all 3 will go down the "mental health issues" route (Calocanne already has). Now if they are so dangerous because they are mental should they be kept alive ? if it was an XL bully there would be no question about it but I think these people are more dangerous than the dogs. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 14:08:46 GMT
Various individuals have always carried knives,I have known several and they didnt fit in with the 'cowardly cant fight' stereotype of knife carriers they werent youngsters either. I also knew of another knife carrier a friend of friends,they called him Ming the merciless,he stabbed an injured a drug dealer who had the temerity to ask my friends if they wanted to buy his wares,some while later he stabbed and killed someone,nobody was surprised. Those people all happened to be white but there does seem to be an explosion of knife carrying and stabbings in younger people/children over the last 20 or so years,Googled 'black on black crime London' and a 2022 London assembly release said that although the black population of London is only 13 % (really ?) 61% of knife murder perpetrators are black ! This b'stard Esan is black. Absolutely no surprise. Bring back hanging,it was a deterrent. I do agree that hanging would be a deterrent if it was in public,imagine seeing someone dragged out kicking and screaming and then hung....it would make little scrotes in the (huge) crowd rethink their ways.....it wont happen though we are too 'civilised' to do that now. |
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Post by baldrick on Jul 25, 2024 14:15:50 GMT
This b'stard Esan is black. Absolutely no surprise. Bring back hanging,it was a deterrent. I do agree that hanging would be a deterrent if it was in public,imagine seeing someone dragged out kicking and screaming and then hung....it would make little scrotes in the (huge) crowd rethink their ways.....it wont happen though we are too 'civilised' to do that now. Would you be prepared to go to the gallows an innocent man? |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 14:27:11 GMT
I do agree that hanging would be a deterrent if it was in public,imagine seeing someone dragged out kicking and screaming and then hung....it would make little scrotes in the (huge) crowd rethink their ways.....it wont happen though we are too 'civilised' to do that now. Would you be prepared to go to the gallows an innocent man? Well I would have no choice in the matter would I ? There are cases where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt,the killer of Lee Rigby being one, I do think that in those cases execution is the correct thing to do. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 25, 2024 16:49:45 GMT
Out of genuine interest, what do you class as 'a traditional native of this country.'
Are you trying to be pedantic? as you know what I meant. Honestly, I am not trying to be pedantic. People have different views on what they consider a native of the British Islands. Are you going back to the beginning of the 1900s? Are you going back to the Picts and Celts? Are you going back to the Norman invaders with a history of Viking blood. My wife's family are descended through the De Wigglesworth family to Harold Bluetooth & his wife, the Queen of Denmark. If you follow the DNA line of all our ancestors, it is traced back to Africa. My own DNA is 93% GB & Ireland, 5% Northwest & Northeast Germanic, 2% South East Asia
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 17:10:40 GMT
This b'stard Esan is black. Absolutely no surprise. Bring back hanging,it was a deterrent. Bas whether he is black or white makes no difference,its the crime to he has committed thats the problem. Esan,that nutter last week with the suitcases full of body parts,Valdo Calocanne have all committed violent murders / attempted murders and no doubt all 3 will go down the "mental health issues" route (Calocanne already has). Now if they are so dangerous because they are mental should they be kept alive ? if it was an XL bully there would be no question about it but I think these people are more dangerous than the dogs. Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging,filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 18:22:23 GMT
Are you trying to be pedantic? as you know what I meant. Honestly, I am not trying to be pedantic. People have different views on what they consider a native of the British Islands. Are you going back to the beginning of the 1900s? Are you going back to the Picts and Celts? Are you going back to the Norman invaders with a history of Viking blood. My wife's family are descended through the De Wigglesworth family to Harold Bluetooth & his wife, the Queen of Denmark. If you follow the DNA line of all our ancestors, it is traced back to Africa. My own DNA is 93% GB & Ireland, 5% Northwest & Northeast Germanic, 2% South East Asia
So yes, I am genuinely interested in what you consider a native of this country.Ok, I understand and knew most of that stated above,but to answer your question then I wouldn't go back that far. I asked if you were being pedantic as it came across like you were trying to get me the say British "White" people are the natives of this country,which the truth of the matter is ... they are. For the point of this debate,Im saying that the natives of this country are people who were born here, or have a long family history and embedded in our culture and heritage before our boarders became a free-for-all in the late 1990s and mass immigration started to happen and our culture and identity was changed. Multiculturalism has been apart of the British kingdom since the 1700's, but in a very different way that it is today. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 25, 2024 18:23:41 GMT
Bas whether he is black or white makes no difference,its the crime to he has committed thats the problem. Esan,that nutter last week with the suitcases full of body parts,Valdo Calocanne have all committed violent murders / attempted murders and no doubt all 3 will go down the "mental health issues" route (Calocanne already has). Now if they are so dangerous because they are mental should they be kept alive ? if it was an XL bully there would be no question about it but I think these people are more dangerous than the dogs. Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging, filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... Also a final few words from Albert Pierrepoint, the UK last Official Executioner - “All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that . . . I have not prevented a single murder,”
“The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertaste: that I do not now believe that any of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge.” |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 18:29:16 GMT
Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging, filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... There is no reasoning with them Chesh |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 18:32:07 GMT
Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging, filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... But we are not a civilised country anymore are we? And...if we were, then this thread wouldn't have been opened, or this topic being talked about by all in here,that's the point. What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai? |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 18:34:48 GMT
There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... But we are not a civilised country anymore are we? And...if we were, then this thread wouldn't have been opened, or this topic being talked about by all in here,that's the point. What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai? London Especially if you are a woman and particularly if you wish to express an opinion freely |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 25, 2024 18:53:43 GMT
But we are not a civilised country anymore are we? And...if we were, then this thread wouldn't have been opened, or this topic being talked about by all in here,that's the point. What's the safest place to live or visit today? ...London or Dubai? London Especially if you are a woman and particularly if you wish to express an opinion freely Sure about that? |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:05:18 GMT
Are you trying to be pedantic? as you know what I meant. Honestly, I am not trying to be pedantic. People have different views on what they consider a native of the British Islands. Are you going back to the beginning of the 1900s? Are you going back to the Picts and Celts? Are you going back to the Norman invaders with a history of Viking blood. My wife's family are descended through the De Wigglesworth family to Harold Bluetooth & his wife, the Queen of Denmark. If you follow the DNA line of all our ancestors, it is traced back to Africa. My own DNA is 93% GB & Ireland, 5% Northwest & Northeast Germanic, 2% South East Asia
So yes, I am genuinely interested in what you consider a native of this country.More or less anyone pre WWII. Before that,there was very little change to what a Briton was for centuries. Not complicated. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 25, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
Bas whether he is black or white makes no difference,its the crime to he has committed thats the problem. Esan,that nutter last week with the suitcases full of body parts,Valdo Calocanne have all committed violent murders / attempted murders and no doubt all 3 will go down the "mental health issues" route (Calocanne already has). Now if they are so dangerous because they are mental should they be kept alive ? if it was an XL bully there would be no question about it but I think these people are more dangerous than the dogs. Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging,filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. Your right Bas it would be a deterrent,back in the day there was trouble in holiday resorts on bank holidays,Margate,Brighton,Southend,Torquay,Great Yarmouth ,Skegness,Rhyl, Isle of Wight etc etc but rarely in the Isle of Man...why was that ? because they had the birch there and it deterred troublemakers ! It boils my p1$$ to think of that poor young girl stabbed to death trying to help her friend in Nottingham and that waste of oxygen Valdo Calocanne still being alive and living on taxpayers money and there are people who think more of his 'rights' than that poor girls, "oh we mustnt execute him it wouldnt be civilised". |
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2024 19:08:18 GMT
I am. If I said King Charlie boy was ripping us with his income from the Crown Estate, nothing happens. If I was in Dubai and said His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum was taking the piss and filtering billions into his personal accounts there would be a knock on the door. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 25, 2024 19:10:26 GMT
Agreed Trymer,I pointed out his colour just to back up a discussion I was having with Baldrick earlier. How I could usually guess the rough ID of the perpetrator to certain crimes. Seems like there might be trouble on the streets of Rochdale,Greater Pakistan & Bangladesh tonight. One of these nights riots,English people from across the country will join in and the rioters will wish they had shown their hosts more respect. A public hanging, filmed and edited would be subhuman, but,it would act as a deterrent. There is no evidence that capital punishment deters anyone from any particular crime. Just look at the USA. It hasn't deterred gun crime in any of the states where it still operates. But you would take us back to the 1860s and make it a public spectacle. What else would you like to bring back? Public floggings, hands chopped off for theft, witches burned at the stake, etc Ironically the Times Newspaper celebrated the fact that the last hanging in 1868 would be the last such vulgar public display (their editorial opinion). You want to take us back to that vulgar state. You don't like living in a civilised country then? You criticise Islam which in places like Saudi and Afghan use public executions freely yet it seems you would like the worst of Shariah law introduced here. Very strange... Also a final few words from Albert Pierrepoint, the UK last Official Executioner - “All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that . . . I have not prevented a single murder,”
“The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertaste: that I do not now believe that any of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge.”Chesh,the 5 years after hanging was stopped,the officialdom kept records of crimes that would of recieved capital punishment. These crimes went up in number. That's my evidence. It's out there somewhere,the official records,I did manage to find it once. I've seen what's her name talk about it too,former woman Tory MP,now in Reform,went on that Dance programme. |
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