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Post by baldrick on Jul 31, 2024 16:58:53 GMT
Reports indicate that Ukraine have received the first batch of F-16's. Good news if true, seems they have the promise of the jets, important thing is to protect the airfields and also pilots and ground crew. They'll be a scarce resource for some time.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 31, 2024 21:28:17 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 5, 2024 12:26:34 GMT
The initial batch is apparently 10 F-16s. Presumably Russia will claim to have destroyed 50 of them by the end of the week. There are more than 70 more F-16 waiting for delivery. The initial warload was AIM-9 and AMRAAM which suggests they will initially be used for air defence. When more arrive I presume that they will be used for HARM, SDB, JDAM-ER and other stand off attack weapons. Nominally these are Block 20 MLU aircraft. But they have received a pile of upgrades before being delivered.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 14:23:32 GMT
What is going on in the Kursk region of Russia? We've seen Ukraine making small incursions into Russia before, but they tended to be small and short-lived. This one seems to be a bit different. Some reports suggest the Ukrainians have committed five Brigades to this. The question of course is why? Obviously the Ukes had identified this area as being weakly defended by the Russians, who will now have to draw forces away from other sectors to deal with it. In addition Ukraine can perform manoeuvre warfare now. This is what they need as the Russians are better equipped for the slow long-slog stuff. Online sources indicate that the Russians are really panicking over this.
An interesting move by the Ukrainians.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 9, 2024 8:39:02 GMT
This is developing into THE foreign news story at the moment, but it doesn't get a mention in the UK MSM.
Ukraine are still making huge territorial gains. The Russians don't appear to have very much in the area to stop them. As predicted, when the Ukes do find a strong Russian unit, then just by-pass them and leave them surrounded. Nobody is sure what the strategic aim is of the Ukes at the moment but they must have something in mind.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 9, 2024 9:18:39 GMT
The Russians will probably have to transfer troops from the areas they have been making ground in, unless the stories of them struggling to keep pace with losses are untrue. Opening another front will certainly present the Russians with difficult choices.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 9, 2024 11:34:17 GMT
Russia struggles to repel deep incursion by Ukraine on fourth day of cross-border attack..by Emily Atkinsonichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/2d4d/live/88a94450-5633-11ef-8f0f-0577398c3339.jpgRussia is moving troops into its western Kursk region, state media reports, as Ukraine's cross-border surprise attack continues for a fourth day Reports suggest that Ukrainian troops are operating more than 10km inside Russian territory - the deepest cross-border advance by Kyiv since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022 Russia has declared a state of emergency in the region Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials say 10 people have been killed and 35 injured in a strike on a supermarket in the front-line Donetsk region Late on Thursday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Moscow must "feel" the consequences for its invasion of Ukraine - but didn't directly mention the situation in Kursk
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Post by baldrick on Aug 9, 2024 12:39:03 GMT
Operation Interflex has trained over 43,000 in two years, be nice to think the UK has had helped in some way.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 9, 2024 12:44:42 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 9, 2024 13:10:12 GMT
Two Russian troop columns have been totally wiped out. Both were Battalion sized units moving in convoy in the back of soft top lorries. From the videos it looks as though the were both hit with HIMARS. The giveaway is the amount of holes in the soft tops of the vehicles. Don't go looking for the videos as there are a lot of dead bodies on display.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 9, 2024 17:12:45 GMT
Two Russian troop columns have been totally wiped out. Both were Battalion sized units moving in convoy in the back of soft top lorries. From the videos it looks as though the were both hit with HIMARS. The giveaway is the amount of holes in the soft tops of the vehicles. Don't go looking for the videos as there are a lot of dead bodies on display. Whatever your thoughts on the Russian leader and hierarchy, it is bloody sad that 000's of young men and women with their lives ahead of them are being wiped out to satisfy the vanity and lust for power and land of a nasty bitter old man. Sadly that's mostly what war is about!
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 9, 2024 17:21:24 GMT
Two Russian troop columns have been totally wiped out. Both were Battalion sized units moving in convoy in the back of soft top lorries. From the videos it looks as though the were both hit with HIMARS. The giveaway is the amount of holes in the soft tops of the vehicles. Don't go looking for the videos as there are a lot of dead bodies on display. Whatever your thoughts on the Russian leader and hierarchy, it is bloody sad that 000's of young men and women with their lives ahead of them are being wiped out to satisfy the vanity and lust for power and land of a nasty bitter old man. Sadly that's mostly what war is about! Totally agree, but you have to hope that by fighting the war you will be stopping further misery being inflicted on greater numbers of people in years to come, just as our youth did in WW2.
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Post by trymer on Aug 9, 2024 17:26:59 GMT
I think as has been suggested this attack by the Ukes is an attempt to draw Russian troops away from areas where they were pressuring the Ukes. I think that this could cause a big upsurge in the war. Someone suggested to me that maybe there are peace talks either happening or going to happen soon and that the Ukes want to look like they're in a strong position.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 9, 2024 20:30:33 GMT
I think as has been suggested this attack by the Ukes is an attempt to draw Russian troops away from areas where they were pressuring the Ukes. I think that this could cause a big upsurge in the war. Someone suggested to me that maybe there are peace talks either happening or going to happen soon and that the Ukes want to look like they're in a strong position. Or how about it's a distraction for something else......an assault on the Crimea? In recent weeks the Ukes have been hammering Air Defence throughout the Crimea. Or were the attacks on AD in the Crimea a distraction for the Kursk assault? Sometimes it's like a game of chess with deadly consequences.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 9, 2024 21:12:28 GMT
I think as has been suggested this attack by the Ukes is an attempt to draw Russian troops away from areas where they were pressuring the Ukes. I think that this could cause a big upsurge in the war. Someone suggested to me that maybe there are peace talks either happening or going to happen soon and that the Ukes want to look like they're in a strong position. Or how about it's a distraction for something else......an assault on the Crimea? In recent weeks the Ukes have been hammering Air Defence throughout the Crimea. Or were the attacks on AD in the Crimea a distraction for the Kursk assault? Sometimes it's like a game of chess with deadly consequences. Be interesting to see whether the additional aircraft make a difference. And also what effect the other European 'advisors' will help the cause.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 9, 2024 21:24:10 GMT
Also is it a case where Ukrainian military,after their " western style training" is now bearing fruit in places,now begining to outhink the aggressor,and causing panic reactions on their side...
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 9, 2024 22:34:51 GMT
Also is it a case where Ukrainian military,after their " western style training" is now bearing fruit in places,now begining to outhink the aggressor,and causing panic reactions on their side... The NATO doctrine says that ground assaults cannot win unless we have air superiority. The Ukes have never had this, which is one of the main reasons their offences have had limited results. We do not know how many F-16's have been delivered, but maybe the Ukes are now in a position where they could have air superiority in a limited area. Where they choose that area to be will be crucial. One of the main reasons the Kursk offensive is successful is that the Ukes have broken through the two main defensive lines of the Russians. Now they are in a mobile situation, which is something the Russians cannot handle due to the structure of their Command & Control. Russian commanders on the ground have to constantly refer decisions upstairs. This delays any action or reaction. Junior commanders in Russia are not trusted, and this goes back to the times of the Revolution. I do not believe the Kursk offensive will run for much longer, nor penetrate much deeper into Russia for one simple reason. Logistics! Amateurs like to talk about strategy, but military experts will talk about logistics (by the way, I am no expert!). The flow of weapons, ammunition, food, water and men are vital. The deeper they go into Russia, the more difficult this becomes. If you check my posts right at the beginning of this thread you will read that I said the Ukes need mobile warfare. The slow, steady, bogged down warfare only suits the Russians with their superior number of weapon systems ie. Artillery and men. I do not know what the strategic objectives of the Kursk attack is meant to achieve, but the Ukes have got to the situation where the Russians are scrambling and are having to make quick decisions on the ground, which is something they are incapable of. The Russians are reacting whereas the Ukes are being Proactive. Interesting times.
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Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2024 6:01:38 GMT
Good insights and context
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Post by trymer on Aug 10, 2024 8:30:16 GMT
I think as has been suggested this attack by the Ukes is an attempt to draw Russian troops away from areas where they were pressuring the Ukes. I think that this could cause a big upsurge in the war. Someone suggested to me that maybe there are peace talks either happening or going to happen soon and that the Ukes want to look like they're in a strong position. Or how about it's a distraction for something else......an assault on the Crimea? In recent weeks the Ukes have been hammering Air Defence throughout the Crimea. Or were the attacks on AD in the Crimea a distraction for the Kursk assault? Sometimes it's like a game of chess with deadly consequences. One certainty is that Russia will have to bolster defence in areas that up until now have been lightly defended.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 11, 2024 10:10:36 GMT
Ukraine's offensive inside Russia pushes war into 'aggressor's territory', Zelensky says..by Johanna Chisholmichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/7d90/live/00c52c70-57af-11ef-b2d2-cdb23d5d7c5b.jpgPresident Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed for the first time that the Ukrainian military is conducting a cross-border offensive inside Russia's western Kursk region Late Saturday night, Zelensky said Ukraine was pushing the war onto "the aggressor's territory" Kyiv launched the surprise attack on Tuesday and has advanced more than 10km (six miles) inside Russia Russia says 76,000 people have been evacuated from border areas in the Kursk region This is the deepest raid into the country since Moscow began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 Overnight, Kyiv and several other regions came under a Russian drone and missile attack, local officials said A 35-year-old man and his four-year-old son were killed in the Kyiv region after a rocket fragment fell on residential houses
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