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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 21:47:25 GMT
I saw similar rallying call from another club recently, I wonder if any fans at that club got upset. Cant say its that different?
"..the connection between our players and fans is the most important thing in any football club, and, at our club, we are so lucky to have supporters with us always in full voice, both home and away. Like you, our players and staff care deeply about the club. That is our bond. Its a special place, a special club, and a special stadium. The players often talk about how it feels when the roof comes off in front of the fans. There is nothing better. We are all craving success that you supporters want and I can't put into words how much we need you all with us and how grateful we are for the unconditional support through good and bad that you supporters give us. After lots of change it has taken us a while to get going and we are now seeing an improved level of performance and a level of consistency from which we can continue to build. We are working tirelessly to improve. Slowly at times, more quickly at others but the key is that we are improving and we will continue to give the supporters everything we have to keep getting better. I believe we are on the right track now. You are our 12th man, we need you to play your part and get right behind the players. our collective desire to win - and drive the club fowards - will be the difference. Everyone matters".
Is there any difference, really? Are we sure its not just because some people dont like JB due to his history?
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Post by baselswh on Feb 13, 2022 22:03:50 GMT
I doubt anyone would have even mentioned the message from JB until Swiss tried to create some deeper meaning behind it that gives a negative spin on all things BRFC, as he likes to do. It should be filed in Spam alongside his 'Rovers will be renting a home in 12 months time" and "Rovers will be owned by JB's cohorts this time next year" threads. People jump on it as it gives them an opportunity to say how terrible everything is, but in reality JB's message is just like what is echoed at every club from Man U to Scunthorpe. There is No deeper meaning to it. Things are getting better. 4 defeats in 18, new training ground, commercial transformed (Has anyone been to the on line shop?..probably not), Ticketing sorted, great comms starting to happen. Some people really dont seem to like it when things start getting better do they. Bitterness I assume. You are right to bring up the question of whether JB's message yesterday was a standard rallying call or whether there is a deeper meaning to it. That's why I posted Kevin Maher's message to Southend fans to show what I consider a normal rallying call to be. Kevin Maher has not called his predecessors negligent or described directors of the club as clowns but has gone about his role as manager of a football club in a respectful and professional way. Yesterday I think JB conveyed a tacit message that Rovers won't get promoted and the deeper meaning within it was revealed with his phrase "we need you with us". Most fans think "us" means Rovers but I think "us" means JB and he is saying he wants Gasheads to stick with him even if we can now see the emptiness of his promotion promise and claim that any manager who can't get Rovers out of League 2 at the first attempt isn't a credible manager. He talks about not losing sight of where we have come from because he knows that nobody is going to say "but Joey we've come from League 1". And he talks about "excellence" and "building a football club to make you all proud" because he knows he won't be challenged about this or asked for evidence. He has realised that Rovers fans believe what they are told so if he can get loyalty to him to be perceived as loyalty to Rovers then he will be able to carry on with his experiment using Wael's money in the hope it eventually pays off for him. When you say things are getting better I don't doubt that the atmosphere at the Mem is good and the team are giving their best which are both welcome. But the list of positives you keep repeating is never scrutinised so we can'tbe sure whether they are real or imaginary. We take it at face value when we are told by Tom that the training ground is approaching Premier League Standard but fail to wonder why videos or photo's of it are so hard to find and forget about JB's criticism of it early in the season ? When we are told the commercial operation is highly successful we never think to ask about the year on year revenue increases this should be providing to the club but just assume it must be happening. Surely if things are going so well we shouldn't need to be constantly told about it because it would be so plain to see from the results achieved ? And if we were really heading in a forward direction the communication from the club and manager wouldn't always be about what has supposedly happened already (although we can't actually see it) it would be about what is going to take place in the near future like the play off push, stage 2 of the training ground starting and plans for the new stadium being revealed. Personally I think it not so bad if we don't make the play offs this time Swiss.It may take next season. JB won't be the first manager to need some time.Rovers were a mess on his arrival.I think he has enough experience in the game to say his 'vision' for Rovers is more than an "experiment".For "experiment" see Ben Garners time,a failed "experiment",although I applaud El Prssidente' ' throw of the dice'. I see your thinking now,how closer scrutiny of what Tom,Wael or Joe might say,might bring up a few questions. At the Mem ,we do have booze,a decent choice of food and I think the bands are still playing.So this is something Gasheads can see.This is good imo. The Quarters seems to work out nicely for the squad,does'nt it?Usually this season we appear fitter than other seasons.The second phase build will be good to see go up and news on it would be welcome. As for a new stadium,I don't know.I can't say I have faith in this happening. Yes,maybe communication from WAQ to supporters could be better. I trust Joe because yes he makes mistakes,but I think he gets enough right to succeed at Rovers. I think WAQ did very well hiring him. Yes I can see the good relationship between El Presidente and Manager could be tested if we're challenging near the top of the 3rd tier and WAQ won't give the cash for a new player.Let's wait and see. |
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Post by swissgas on Feb 13, 2022 23:00:50 GMT
I saw similar rallying call from another club recently, I wonder if any fans at that club got upset. Cant say its that different? "..the connection between our players and fans is the most important thing in any football club, and, at our club, we are so lucky to have supporters with us always in full voice, both home and away. Like you, our players and staff care deeply about the club. That is our bond. Its a special place, a special club, and a special stadium. The players often talk about how it feels when the roof comes off in front of the fans. There is nothing better. We are all craving success that you supporters want and I can't put into words how much we need you all with us and how grateful we are for the unconditional support through good and bad that you supporters give us. After lots of change it has taken us a while to get going and we are now seeing an improved level of performance and a level of consistency from which we can continue to build. We are working tirelessly to improve. Slowly at times, more quickly at others but the key is that we are improving and we will continue to give the supporters everything we have to keep getting better. I believe we are on the right track now. You are our 12th man, we need you to play your part and get right behind the players. our collective desire to win - and drive the club fowards - will be the difference. Everyone matters". Is there any difference, really? Are we sure its not just because some people dont like JB due to his history? To me the two main differences are : 1) Not a single mention of the word negative let alone an assertion that anyone who expresses a different (negative) opinion in not wanted. In fact the piece ends with the statement "everyone matters". 2) No unsubstantiated claim that " We have turned a corner as a team and we have turned a corner as a football club" |
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 13, 2022 23:59:51 GMT
I doubt anyone would have even mentioned the message from JB until Swiss tried to create some deeper meaning behind it that gives a negative spin on all things BRFC, as he likes to do. It should be filed in Spam alongside his 'Rovers will be renting a home in 12 months time" and "Rovers will be owned by JB's cohorts this time next year" threads. People jump on it as it gives them an opportunity to say how terrible everything is, but in reality JB's message is just like what is echoed at every club from Man U to Scunthorpe. There is No deeper meaning to it. Things are getting better. 4 defeats in 18, new training ground, commercial transformed (Has anyone been to the on line shop?..probably not), Ticketing sorted, great comms starting to happen. Some people really dont seem to like it when things start getting better do they. Bitterness I assume. You are right to bring up the question of whether JB's message yesterday was a standard rallying call or whether there is a deeper meaning to it. That's why I posted Kevin Maher's message to Southend fans to show what I consider a normal rallying call to be. Kevin Maher has not called his predecessors negligent or described directors of the club as clowns but has gone about his role as manager of a football club in a respectful and professional way. Yesterday I think JB conveyed a tacit message that Rovers won't get promoted and the deeper meaning within it was revealed with his phrase "we need you with us". Most fans think "us" means Rovers but I think "us" means JB and he is saying he wants Gasheads to stick with him even if we can now see the emptiness of his promotion promise and claim that any manager who can't get Rovers out of League 2 at the first attempt isn't a credible manager. He talks about not losing sight of where we have come from because he knows that nobody is going to say "but Joey we've come from League 1". And he talks about "excellence" and "building a football club to make you all proud" because he knows he won't be challenged about this or asked for evidence. He has realised that Rovers fans believe what they are told so if he can get loyalty to him to be perceived as loyalty to Rovers then he will be able to carry on with his experiment using Wael's money in the hope it eventually pays off for him. When you say things are getting better I don't doubt that the atmosphere at the Mem is good and the team are giving their best which are both welcome. But the list of positives you keep repeating is never scrutinised so we can'tbe sure whether they are real or imaginary. We take it at face value when we are told by Tom that the training ground is approaching Premier League Standard but fail to wonder why videos or photo's of it are so hard to find and forget about JB's criticism of it early in the season ? When we are told the commercial operation is highly successful we never think to ask about the year on year revenue increases this should be providing to the club but just assume it must be happening. Surely if things are going so well we shouldn't need to be constantly told about it because it would be so plain to see from the results achieved ? And if we were really heading in a forward direction the communication from the club and manager wouldn't always be about what has supposedly happened already (although we can't actually see it) it would be about what is going to take place in the near future like the play off push, stage 2 of the training ground starting and plans for the new stadium being revealed. With regard to the training ground, there were some adjustments made after JB's criticism, which have brought it up to a higher standard than previously. If the rumours about the siting of the new stadium are true, then other parties are involved, so it wouldn't be down to Rovers to reveal plans until the time is right for all concerned. Maybe they don't have a date for stage 2 of the training ground to commence, so there is nothing to tell us. Why is there an assumption that fans should know every little bit of information with regards to what will be happening in the future, before the ink is even dry? |
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Post by swissgas on Feb 14, 2022 0:03:34 GMT
You are right to bring up the question of whether JB's message yesterday was a standard rallying call or whether there is a deeper meaning to it. That's why I posted Kevin Maher's message to Southend fans to show what I consider a normal rallying call to be. Kevin Maher has not called his predecessors negligent or described directors of the club as clowns but has gone about his role as manager of a football club in a respectful and professional way. Yesterday I think JB conveyed a tacit message that Rovers won't get promoted and the deeper meaning within it was revealed with his phrase "we need you with us". Most fans think "us" means Rovers but I think "us" means JB and he is saying he wants Gasheads to stick with him even if we can now see the emptiness of his promotion promise and claim that any manager who can't get Rovers out of League 2 at the first attempt isn't a credible manager. He talks about not losing sight of where we have come from because he knows that nobody is going to say "but Joey we've come from League 1". And he talks about "excellence" and "building a football club to make you all proud" because he knows he won't be challenged about this or asked for evidence. He has realised that Rovers fans believe what they are told so if he can get loyalty to him to be perceived as loyalty to Rovers then he will be able to carry on with his experiment using Wael's money in the hope it eventually pays off for him. When you say things are getting better I don't doubt that the atmosphere at the Mem is good and the team are giving their best which are both welcome. But the list of positives you keep repeating is never scrutinised so we can'tbe sure whether they are real or imaginary. We take it at face value when we are told by Tom that the training ground is approaching Premier League Standard but fail to wonder why videos or photo's of it are so hard to find and forget about JB's criticism of it early in the season ? When we are told the commercial operation is highly successful we never think to ask about the year on year revenue increases this should be providing to the club but just assume it must be happening. Surely if things are going so well we shouldn't need to be constantly told about it because it would be so plain to see from the results achieved ? And if we were really heading in a forward direction the communication from the club and manager wouldn't always be about what has supposedly happened already (although we can't actually see it) it would be about what is going to take place in the near future like the play off push, stage 2 of the training ground starting and plans for the new stadium being revealed. Personally I think it not so bad if we don't make the play offs this time Swiss.It may take next season. JB won't be the first manager to need some time.Rovers were a mess on his arrival.I think he has enough experience in the game to say his 'vision' for Rovers is more than an "experiment".For "experiment" see Ben Garners time,a failed "experiment",although I applaud El Prssidente' ' throw of the dice'. I see your thinking now,how closer scrutiny of what Tom,Wael or Joe might say,might bring up a few questions. At the Mem ,we do have booze,a decent choice of food and I think the bands are still playing.So this is something Gasheads can see.This is good imo. The Quarters seems to work out nicely for the squad,does'nt it?Usually this season we appear fitter than other seasons.The second phase build will be good to see go up and news on it would be welcome. As for a new stadium,I don't know.I can't say I have faith in this happening. Yes,maybe communication from WAQ to supporters could be better. I trust Joe because yes he makes mistakes,but I think he gets enough right to succeed at Rovers. I think WAQ did very well hiring him. Yes I can see the good relationship between El Presidente and Manager could be tested if we're challenging near the top of the 3rd tier and WAQ won't give the cash for a new player.Let's wait and see. Yes there are some good things going on and I've praised the decision to outsource which should improve efficiency and give Gasheads better quality and greater choice when it comes to catering and merchandise. I also think the improved social media presence is to be commended. But we mustn't lose track of the three primary goals of financial competence and sustainability, on-field success and a new or redeveloped stadium. Refusing to talk about these issues is not a good sign IMO. The reason I say experiment is because I think throughout his career he has been experimenting to prove that he is right and others (even those with proven track records) are wrong. You read time and time again that he has left a club after a confrontation and then gone to the media to put his side of the story which is invariably "I was right and they were wrong". The latest example was at Fleetwood where, after being confronted with a transfer embargo and falling out with the owner, he said "we were eight points off the play off's so get a couple of bodies in and we'll be there or thereabouts". He was effectively saying to a man who had built a multi million pound empire that when it came to business he knew best. This refusal to accept discipline and work as part of a team has always been his problem and the signs are that it will be no different at Rovers. If JB was like Brian Clough and could back up his big mouth and controversial behaviour with actual football success then it would be a lot different. That's why my comment about not hearing from Wael was meant to be serious because JB now seems to dictate everything that comes out of Rovers with TG playing a very subservient role. I can't believe Gasheads haven't noticed this and I'm sure more than a few are concerned about it. And Bas, just one more thing ... |
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Post by swissgas on Feb 14, 2022 1:31:58 GMT
You are right to bring up the question of whether JB's message yesterday was a standard rallying call or whether there is a deeper meaning to it. That's why I posted Kevin Maher's message to Southend fans to show what I consider a normal rallying call to be. Kevin Maher has not called his predecessors negligent or described directors of the club as clowns but has gone about his role as manager of a football club in a respectful and professional way. Yesterday I think JB conveyed a tacit message that Rovers won't get promoted and the deeper meaning within it was revealed with his phrase "we need you with us". Most fans think "us" means Rovers but I think "us" means JB and he is saying he wants Gasheads to stick with him even if we can now see the emptiness of his promotion promise and claim that any manager who can't get Rovers out of League 2 at the first attempt isn't a credible manager. He talks about not losing sight of where we have come from because he knows that nobody is going to say "but Joey we've come from League 1". And he talks about "excellence" and "building a football club to make you all proud" because he knows he won't be challenged about this or asked for evidence. He has realised that Rovers fans believe what they are told so if he can get loyalty to him to be perceived as loyalty to Rovers then he will be able to carry on with his experiment using Wael's money in the hope it eventually pays off for him. When you say things are getting better I don't doubt that the atmosphere at the Mem is good and the team are giving their best which are both welcome. But the list of positives you keep repeating is never scrutinised so we can'tbe sure whether they are real or imaginary. We take it at face value when we are told by Tom that the training ground is approaching Premier League Standard but fail to wonder why videos or photo's of it are so hard to find and forget about JB's criticism of it early in the season ? When we are told the commercial operation is highly successful we never think to ask about the year on year revenue increases this should be providing to the club but just assume it must be happening. Surely if things are going so well we shouldn't need to be constantly told about it because it would be so plain to see from the results achieved ? And if we were really heading in a forward direction the communication from the club and manager wouldn't always be about what has supposedly happened already (although we can't actually see it) it would be about what is going to take place in the near future like the play off push, stage 2 of the training ground starting and plans for the new stadium being revealed. With regard to the training ground, there were some adjustments made after JB's criticism, which have brought it up to a higher standard than previously. If the rumours about the siting of the new stadium are true, then other parties are involved, so it wouldn't be down to Rovers to reveal plans until the time is right for all concerned. Maybe they don't have a date for stage 2 of the training ground to commence, so there is nothing to tell us. Why is there an assumption that fans should know every little bit of information with regards to what will be happening in the future, before the ink is even dry? It depends on whether Gasheads are customers or stakeholders. If we are stakeholders there is a very strong case for transparency and inclusiveness. This is something I've been banging on about for years because Rovers have always used confidentiality agreements as a shield and by the time it's discovered there was actually nothing going on behind the scenes we have moved onto something else and forgotten about it. When Nick Higgs was trying to get the Mem redevelopment off the ground I spoke to him at some length and was impressed when he told me how Rovers consultants, Pan Leisure, had produced detailed plans which illustrated exactly where revenue could be generated within the stadium. I actually posted on the forum about how our enjoyment could be enhanced by discussing what the stadium could include and sharing our thoughts with the club. One of the things which came up was "Bradford's" bar with displays of memorabilia from our golden era. Of course things have moved on and today we'd probably be talking about virtual reality and digital gizmo's which I wouldn't have the faintest idea about but the principle is still the same. If you consider yourself a part of something then being made to feel genuinely included and valued is much preferable than just hearing the words "thank you for your support". We all know the excitement possible from planning a holiday or moving to a new home and being part of the process through which Rovers are working to get a new stadium should be no different if Gasheads are truly stakeholders. Other clubs do it so why not us ? I'll leave it there BG but hope you'll take my point in the right way. The burden for Wael and for TG would be made a lot easier to carry if they had the courage to share it. |
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Post by baselswh on Feb 14, 2022 6:30:41 GMT
Personally I think it not so bad if we don't make the play offs this time Swiss.It may take next season. JB won't be the first manager to need some time.Rovers were a mess on his arrival.I think he has enough experience in the game to say his 'vision' for Rovers is more than an "experiment".For "experiment" see Ben Garners time,a failed "experiment",although I applaud El Prssidente' ' throw of the dice'. I see your thinking now,how closer scrutiny of what Tom,Wael or Joe might say,might bring up a few questions. At the Mem ,we do have booze,a decent choice of food and I think the bands are still playing.So this is something Gasheads can see.This is good imo. The Quarters seems to work out nicely for the squad,does'nt it?Usually this season we appear fitter than other seasons.The second phase build will be good to see go up and news on it would be welcome. As for a new stadium,I don't know.I can't say I have faith in this happening. Yes,maybe communication from WAQ to supporters could be better. I trust Joe because yes he makes mistakes,but I think he gets enough right to succeed at Rovers. I think WAQ did very well hiring him. Yes I can see the good relationship between El Presidente and Manager could be tested if we're challenging near the top of the 3rd tier and WAQ won't give the cash for a new player.Let's wait and see. Yes there are some good things going on and I've praised the decision to outsource which should improve efficiency and give Gasheads better quality and greater choice when it comes to catering and merchandise. I also think the improved social media presence is to be commended. But we mustn't lose track of the three primary goals of financial competence and sustainability, on-field success and a new or redeveloped stadium. Refusing to talk about these issues is not a good sign IMO. The reason I say experiment is because I think throughout his career he has been experimenting to prove that he is right and others (even those with proven track records) are wrong. You read time and time again that he has left a club after a confrontation and then gone to the media to put his side of the story which is invariably "I was right and they were wrong". The latest example was at Fleetwood where, after being confronted with a transfer embargo and falling out with the owner, he said "we were eight points off the play off's so get a couple of bodies in and we'll be there or thereabouts". He was effectively saying to a man who had built a multi million pound empire that when it came to business he knew best. This refusal to accept discipline and work as part of a team has always been his problem and the signs are that it will be no different at Rovers. If JB was like Brian Clough and could back up his big mouth and controversial behaviour with actual football success then it would be a lot different. That's why my comment about not hearing from Wael was meant to be serious because JB now seems to dictate everything that comes out of Rovers with TG playing a very subservient role. I can't believe Gasheads haven't noticed this and I'm sure more than a few are concerned about it. And Bas, just one more thing ... Gasheads attending games can see how this JB team has improved and with abit of luck with Lofty or Leon upfront there will be more improvement. Joe ,like everyone else,is no Brian Clough,except perhaps Mansfields manager.He could claim to be 'a Clough'. Our Manager may talk too much,have a short fuse etc,but,he has enough experience and gets enough things right to succeed at Rovers. In the scenario JB told us we were in the Champions League next season,I would just think ,'there goes Joe,being Joe'.It's part of the mans character and football has room for all characters and their ways. As long as I can see a team developing - I can - then I think Joe will succeed.Waels support of Joe is vital. Our current manager is football fanatic.I think he is trying to improve himself.His use of English is to be admired imo.He's a bloke trying to improve his vocabulary for starters.He obviously reads.This is a good thing and like me,if he gets it wrong now and again,so what!We don't need a Professor of English Language,we need a football manager.I realise you hav'nt knocked the way he actually talks,that particular form of character assassination has been owned by someone else. So again,my point is JB makes mistakes but gets enough right to succeed at Rovers. "And Bas,just one more thing".🙂👍 |
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Post by alftupper on Feb 14, 2022 7:52:29 GMT
Happy to be corrected, Angas thanks.
The message went out on Social media too, of which on Twitter Rovers have 95k followers.
So happy to be corrected that its actually two people rather than one whose initial reaction to the message was negative.  Two that you are aware of. There are quite possibly more who, like me, have kept their thoughts to themselves. You really would not want to know my reaction to seeing a message from Barton in my inbox. " There are quite possibly more who, like me, have kept their thoughts to themselves." ?? You can`t be serious. Even the astronauts on the International Space Station, know how you feel about Barton. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 14, 2022 8:25:32 GMT
You are right to bring up the question of whether JB's message yesterday was a standard rallying call or whether there is a deeper meaning to it. That's why I posted Kevin Maher's message to Southend fans to show what I consider a normal rallying call to be. Kevin Maher has not called his predecessors negligent or described directors of the club as clowns but has gone about his role as manager of a football club in a respectful and professional way. Personally I think it not so bad if we don't make the play offs this time Swiss. It may take next season. And there it is Bas. You have sadly gone from 'We are going up' to '... not so bad if we don't make the play offs...' Just as I suspect many other supporters have. Perhaps next year will be the year..... As Gasheads it appears we lap up everything we are told 'good and bad' for the promise that 'One day..... stadium....Championship....etc etc' Works with Gasheads every time. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 14, 2022 8:29:40 GMT
You forget there is another a bigger option to positivity and negativity, it is goes by the name of reality. It’s obvious JB can do no wrong as you see it but you are also easily pleased with having the highest budget but being relegated to the basement and in 14th. Maybe take a step back and instead of looking at the painting, see the picture JB makes mistakes, but gets enough right for Rovers to progress. 18 years playing local football.I know how players react with encouragement from people. Statistically, since the "dead wood" have gone and the injury list improved,Rovers results have improved."Reality". If a manager can’t get a team promoted from this league, they have no place in football- reality and empty words, which JB is superb at |
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Post by baselswh on Feb 14, 2022 9:05:59 GMT
Personally I think it not so bad if we don't make the play offs this time Swiss. It may take next season. And there it is Bas. You have sadly gone from 'We are going up' to '... not so bad if we don't make the play offs...' Just as I suspect many other supporters have. Perhaps next year will be the year..... As Gasheads it appears we lap up everything we are told 'good and bad' for the promise that 'One day..... stadium....Championship....etc etc' Works with Gasheads every time. As I posted Chesh,JB won't be the first manager that needs more time than predicted.I've not given up on this season yet and I think we now have our best team since GC. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 14, 2022 9:18:24 GMT
And there it is Bas. You have sadly gone from 'We are going up' to '... not so bad if we don't make the play offs...' Just as I suspect many other supporters have. Perhaps next year will be the year..... As Gasheads it appears we lap up everything we are told 'good and bad' for the promise that 'One day..... stadium....Championship....etc etc' Works with Gasheads every time. As I posted Chesh,JB won't be the first manager that needs more time than predicted.I've not given up on this season yet and I think we now have our best team since GC. Guaranteed to keep us in League 1. Guaranteed promotion from League 2, after getting us relegated last season. Peurile non sensical interviews. Recruiting crocked way past their prime footballers. Promotion in.....who knows Good here innit |
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 14, 2022 9:23:02 GMT
As I posted Chesh,JB won't be the first manager that needs more time than predicted.I've not given up on this season yet and I think we now have our best team since GC. Guaranteed to keep us in League 1. Guaranteed promotion from League 2, after getting us relegated last season. Peurile non sensical interviews. Recruiting crocked way past their prime footballers. Promotion in.....who knows Good here innit Talking of next season, think there is about a dozen out of contract at the end of season plus 5 loans. Another reset in the summer? |
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Post by alftupper on Feb 14, 2022 10:00:13 GMT
As I posted Chesh,JB won't be the first manager that needs more time than predicted.I've not given up on this season yet and I think we now have our best team since GC. Guaranteed to keep us in League 1. Guaranteed promotion from League 2, after getting us relegated last season. Peurile non sensical interviews. Recruiting crocked way past their prime footballers. Promotion in.....who knows Good here innit Things don`t look great, no doubting that. But that`s when true fans support their club. Am sure you`ll be back, when matters improve. |
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Post by Angas on Feb 14, 2022 10:00:24 GMT
Two that you are aware of. There are quite possibly more who, like me, have kept their thoughts to themselves. You really would not want to know my reaction to seeing a message from Barton in my inbox. " There are quite possibly more who, like me, have kept their thoughts to themselves." ?? You can`t be serious. Even the astronauts on the International Space Station, know how you feel about Barton. Re the email. |
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Post by vaughan on Feb 14, 2022 10:00:48 GMT
One thing I like about Joey is that he talks up "the blue half of Bristol". He has some ambition and needs to fulfil it, if his career is going to prosper.
The downside is that has narcissistic tendencies, which means that anything that comes out of his mouth has to be treated with caution.
If he is found guilty next month, his career at Rovers and in football management is over.
So for the B & T Crew out there, March is still your best hope for deliverance from your suffering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 10:36:37 GMT
I saw similar rallying call from another club recently, I wonder if any fans at that club got upset. Cant say its that different? "..the connection between our players and fans is the most important thing in any football club, and, at our club, we are so lucky to have supporters with us always in full voice, both home and away. Like you, our players and staff care deeply about the club. That is our bond. Its a special place, a special club, and a special stadium. The players often talk about how it feels when the roof comes off in front of the fans. There is nothing better. We are all craving success that you supporters want and I can't put into words how much we need you all with us and how grateful we are for the unconditional support through good and bad that you supporters give us. After lots of change it has taken us a while to get going and we are now seeing an improved level of performance and a level of consistency from which we can continue to build. We are working tirelessly to improve. Slowly at times, more quickly at others but the key is that we are improving and we will continue to give the supporters everything we have to keep getting better. I believe we are on the right track now. You are our 12th man, we need you to play your part and get right behind the players. our collective desire to win - and drive the club fowards - will be the difference. Everyone matters". Is there any difference, really? Are we sure its not just because some people dont like JB due to his history? To me the two main differences are : 1) Not a single mention of the word negative let alone an assertion that anyone who expresses a different (negative) opinion in not wanted. In fact the piece ends with the statement "everyone matters". 2) No unsubstantiated claim that " We have turned a corner as a team and we have turned a corner as a football club" You sure Swiss. I've highlighted a few bits. Different words, same meaning? 'Unconditional support'. Thought that was an issue? Still waiting for others to take it apart, and especially Oldie to analyse the Queens English. I expect the usual suspects will view this as absolutely fine, simply as JB's name is not against it. This is the real issue I believe. |
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Post by vaughan on Feb 14, 2022 11:50:33 GMT
To me the two main differences are : 1) Not a single mention of the word negative let alone an assertion that anyone who expresses a different (negative) opinion in not wanted. In fact the piece ends with the statement "everyone matters". 2) No unsubstantiated claim that " We have turned a corner as a team and we have turned a corner as a football club" You sure Swiss. I've highlighted a few bits. Different words, same meaning? 'Unconditional support'. Thought that was an issue? Still waiting for others to take it apart, and especially Oldie to analyse the Queens English. I expect the usual suspects will view this as absolutely fine, simply as JB's name is not against it. This is the real issue I believe. Maybe we can all agree that Joey can get carried away at times when he opens his mouth. It keeps Frost, Hoskin etc. in jobs. It's football. Some people treat it as a science, which is laughable in itself. For example, he gobbed off prematurely that he was going to get us promotion and we might have to settle for a top half position. Never happened before in football? Lickle Lee and Europe? He is talking up Rovers and through that himself. For the B & T Crew, stop taking it so seriously. Relax for the next month, until our Forum court correspondents spring into life. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 12:01:37 GMT
The court correspondents must be salivating, ever more daily.
They'll be looking forward to deliberately writing with no capitals at the beginning of sentences (when they remember), or reregistering on here so they can "like" any post that remotely seems like a dig at the manager.
If the manager is found guilty, then some of them will be back at games after pretending he was the reason they missed them.
Pah.
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Post by alftupper on Feb 14, 2022 12:36:51 GMT
" There are quite possibly more who, like me, have kept their thoughts to themselves." ?? You can`t be serious. Even the astronauts on the International Space Station, know how you feel about Barton. Re the email. Ok. Apologies. |
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