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Post by swissgas on Oct 15, 2021 18:17:33 GMT
Yes it was a bit patronising but that's because I'm puzzled as to how someone who wants Rovers to be successful could enjoy watching and listening to such a lacklustre performance. Can you explain what the management team are actually doing to achieve the stated aims of a new stadium, financial stability and Championship football ? In fairness Swiss nobody can say either way what is going on as the club isn't informing the fans and there is nobody on the inside 'in the know' telling outsiders. Both you, those who have a similar view and those who have a contrary view can only speculate, sadly. Well I blame you for starting it Cheshire because you brought up the subject of complacency When a main board director is interviewed for 35 minutes, with the most part of it being about Rovers, then I think it is only right that he should be prepared to talk in a businesslike way about Rovers. If the interview was meant to be about him and his career then much more time should have been spent discussing what he did at other clubs but it wasn't. Gasheads probably know more about NDA's, boardroom secrecy and the mysteries of "behind the scenes" than fans of any other club and I'm sure our lack of thirst for knowledge has contributed to the club's decline. Knowing the interview was coming up and knowing he would be asked questions he would find difficult to answer why didn't Tom prepare a strategy which would have showed fans he was on top of his game and not prone to making silly mistakes* and which would have given us some confidence that there was hope for the future ? Because he knows we don't demand it.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 15, 2021 19:22:10 GMT
I see the views of the TG interview have gone up from 170 to 239 since Swiss posted the link. That's far and way much higher than other interviews Nick Elston has posted. Go to his youtube channel, click on Videos, and all the others average around 30 views. Some videos posted over a year with fewer than 30 views. www.youtube.com/c/NickElston/videos
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 15, 2021 21:10:48 GMT
we can’t even be sure very much will happen. There’s massive backlogs in the CJS. Both appearances in court may be delayed, prosecution or defence may ask for more time, Mr “I went over and am trying to suggest Joey gave me a nudge” may not be able to make it. It could be half a year a year or more before B***** is next in court. A pretty decent bet is no court appearance this year for some delay, not odds on but worth a flutter. Pretty much immaterial to us at Bristol Rovers though, if Joey is as out of his depth at football management as we suspect he is, he won’t survive this coming sequence of matches. Not according to the man himself, who has received the vote of confidence from the President, FWIW.
Those wanting him out were hoping the outcome of the court case(s) would seal his fate.
I'm more worried about the impact that the two impending cases have on his ability to manage the team. I know I'd worry if I had a library book overdue, so coping with 2 upcoming court cases must put massive additional strain.
it’s probably only one case because even domestic abuse cases where the victim is happy to be witness for prosecution don’t always happen, so many timed out under the 6 month rule. the other case, it was clear from first hearing there wasn’t any actual witnesses or evidence, so is just a he said she said thing. So neither case has any certainty of producing the sort of result that forces Wael’s hand and sacking B*****. B***** the football manager is in a weak place right now, he offered to walk and lowered supporter expectations saying he would take 3 wins from next 10 - unless he gets better than expected results in coming games, there will be little argument he is a proven failure here.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 16, 2021 7:43:30 GMT
Not according to the man himself, who has received the vote of confidence from the President, FWIW.
Those wanting him out were hoping the outcome of the court case(s) would seal his fate.
I'm more worried about the impact that the two impending cases have on his ability to manage the team. I know I'd worry if I had a library book overdue, so coping with 2 upcoming court cases must put massive additional strain.
it’s probably only one case because even domestic abuse cases where the victim is happy to be witness for prosecution don’t always happen, so many timed out under the 6 month rule. the other case, it was clear from first hearing there wasn’t any actual witnesses or evidence, so is just a he said she said thing. So neither case has any certainty of producing the sort of result that forces Wael’s hand and sacking B*****. B***** the football manager is in a weak place right now, he offered to walk and lowered supporter expectations saying he would take 3 wins from next 10 - unless he gets better than expected results in coming games, there will be little argument he is a proven failure here. All said, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs at the moment.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Oct 16, 2021 10:16:27 GMT
In fairness Swiss nobody can say either way what is going on as the club isn't informing the fans and there is nobody on the inside 'in the know' telling outsiders. Both you, those who have a similar view and those who have a contrary view can only speculate, sadly. Well I blame you for starting it Cheshire because you brought up the subject of complacency When a main board director is interviewed for 35 minutes, with the most part of it being about Rovers, then I think it is only right that he should be prepared to talk in a businesslike way about Rovers. If the interview was meant to be about him and his career then much more time should have been spent discussing what he did at other clubs but it wasn't. Gasheads probably know more about NDA's, boardroom secrecy and the mysteries of "behind the scenes" than fans of any other club and I'm sure our lack of thirst for knowledge has contributed to the club's decline. Knowing the interview was coming up and knowing he would be asked questions he would find difficult to answer why didn't Tom prepare a strategy which would have showed fans he was on top of his game and not prone to making silly mistakes* and which would have given us some confidence that there was hope for the future ? Because he knows we don't demand it. When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 16, 2021 11:15:41 GMT
Well I blame you for starting it Cheshire because you brought up the subject of complacency When a main board director is interviewed for 35 minutes, with the most part of it being about Rovers, then I think it is only right that he should be prepared to talk in a businesslike way about Rovers. If the interview was meant to be about him and his career then much more time should have been spent discussing what he did at other clubs but it wasn't. Gasheads probably know more about NDA's, boardroom secrecy and the mysteries of "behind the scenes" than fans of any other club and I'm sure our lack of thirst for knowledge has contributed to the club's decline. Knowing the interview was coming up and knowing he would be asked questions he would find difficult to answer why didn't Tom prepare a strategy which would have showed fans he was on top of his game and not prone to making silly mistakes* and which would have given us some confidence that there was hope for the future ? Because he knows we don't demand it. When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational. you mean you didn't expect a full investor deck, for subordinated loan finance and convertible preference equity separately, including multi-national regulatory sign-offs and detailed 10-year financial projections? you set your sights very low
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Post by irenestoyboy on Oct 16, 2021 13:16:16 GMT
When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational. you mean you didn't expect a full investor deck, for subordinated loan finance and convertible preference equity separately, including multi-national regulatory sign-offs and detailed 10-year financial projections? you set your sights very low If you mean that I didn’t want to listen to a load of corporate twat speak then you’re absolutely right.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 16, 2021 18:09:22 GMT
Well I blame you for starting it Cheshire because you brought up the subject of complacency When a main board director is interviewed for 35 minutes, with the most part of it being about Rovers, then I think it is only right that he should be prepared to talk in a businesslike way about Rovers. If the interview was meant to be about him and his career then much more time should have been spent discussing what he did at other clubs but it wasn't. Gasheads probably know more about NDA's, boardroom secrecy and the mysteries of "behind the scenes" than fans of any other club and I'm sure our lack of thirst for knowledge has contributed to the club's decline. Knowing the interview was coming up and knowing he would be asked questions he would find difficult to answer why didn't Tom prepare a strategy which would have showed fans he was on top of his game and not prone to making silly mistakes* and which would have given us some confidence that there was hope for the future ? Because he knows we don't demand it. When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational. Extremely patronising , especially given this is not gaschat
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 16, 2021 19:31:46 GMT
I'm not sure what the point of the interview was, I thought that the theme of the channel was mental health and personal development. It just seemed to be a run through of Tom's CV, including changes at Rovers since he came in, and then a brief chat about how he spends his spare time. Maybe I'm missing the bigger picture somewhere?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Oct 16, 2021 20:16:04 GMT
When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational. Extremely patronising , especially given this is not gaschat No it wasn’t. I listened to the interview and everything Swiss accused TG of doing or not doing was actually because he was being led by the interviewer. It’s a podcast not an official media duty and it should be treated as such.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 10:21:13 GMT
Extremely patronising , especially given this is not gaschat No it wasn’t. I listened to the interview and everything Swiss accused TG of doing or not doing was actually because he was being led by the interviewer. It’s a podcast not an official media duty and it should be treated as such. All media work that Gorringe is involved in is 'official', he has an overarching responsibility to the company and shareholders. He knows that. I had no idea that views on the YouTube channel involved were often counted in the tens, maybe the content is posted elsewhere? If not that raises a question, if a Director is going to get involved in this type of thing, shouldn't they do a bit of diligence around the outlet beforehand? PPPPPP. Just looked at that YouTube channel, there's not a huge amount of content posted on it, he seems to get around 20 ~ 30 views for most of his videos, I suspect that a lot of the 200+ views for the Gorringe video have come via this forum. What a waste of time and effort.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 17, 2021 13:30:03 GMT
No it wasn’t. I listened to the interview and everything Swiss accused TG of doing or not doing was actually because he was being led by the interviewer. It’s a podcast not an official media duty and it should be treated as such. All media work that Gorringe is involved in is 'official', he has an overarching responsibility to the company and shareholders. He knows that. I had no idea that views on the YouTube channel involved were often counted in the tens, maybe the content is posted elsewhere? If not that raises a question, if a Director is going to get involved in this type of thing, shouldn't they do a bit of diligence around the outlet beforehand? PPPPPP. Just looked at that YouTube channel, there's not a huge amount of content posted on it, he seems to get around 20 ~ 30 views for most of his videos, I suspect that a lot of the 200+ views for the Gorringe video have come via this forum. What a waste of time and effort. Looks like it was recorded in a bedroom, so I would guess it was in his own time "Official" as in he is seen as a representative of the football club, and should not bring the club into disrupute when appearing on a social media channel, regardless of the number of subscribers. As Nick is a Rovers supporter, I imagine TG did it as a favour, as I couldn't really see a connection with mental health or personal development, and it has obviously garnered an increase in the viewing numbers for the channel. I did have a look at some of the other content whilst I was there, so if that was part of the objective, it worked!
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Post by swissgas on Oct 18, 2021 19:14:45 GMT
Well I blame you for starting it Cheshire because you brought up the subject of complacency When a main board director is interviewed for 35 minutes, with the most part of it being about Rovers, then I think it is only right that he should be prepared to talk in a businesslike way about Rovers. If the interview was meant to be about him and his career then much more time should have been spent discussing what he did at other clubs but it wasn't. Gasheads probably know more about NDA's, boardroom secrecy and the mysteries of "behind the scenes" than fans of any other club and I'm sure our lack of thirst for knowledge has contributed to the club's decline. Knowing the interview was coming up and knowing he would be asked questions he would find difficult to answer why didn't Tom prepare a strategy which would have showed fans he was on top of his game and not prone to making silly mistakes* and which would have given us some confidence that there was hope for the future ? Because he knows we don't demand it. When someone is interviewed there is usually 2 lines of questioning used at anyone time. About the person involved or their thoughts or opinions or about a particular subject to which he may know the facts. Also the setting for the interview will be dictated by the interviewer himself. This is clearly a personal podcast and not an official media duty or authorised club interview so there is no need for a formal setting. Tom is clearly at home so is likely using some of his own time to do this. Onto the questions themselves, if you actually listened to what Nick Elston asked Tom, it was mainly personal questions about Tom himself. In fact there were only about 25-30% of questions directly about Rovers and they were ones which were woven into the conversation, and Tom answered them all based on his position at the club. The only question he circumnavigated was about the stadium, because likely there is nothing to say, it’s not down to him to announce it and if there was, that would be an official announcement which wouldn’t be done in this setting. It’s down to the interviewer to dictate the conversation and ask the questions, Tom can only answer what he has been asked. At no point did Nick ask any pressing questions or attempt to interrogate him on certain issues. In fact, for someone with experience in public speaking and media, I expected more from Nick to ask more opening or leading questions. Having said that, it wasn’t a media type interview so it wasn’t really open to that kind of conversation. If you aren’t a regular listener to podcasts, then perhaps you misunderstand that type of interview they are designed to be. It’s not a radio show or some kind of Fox News dramatisation of something trivial, but mainly always a cordial discussion or chat which is very conversational. If you are appointed as the SC Director then we'll all wish you the best of luck and as one of the "youngish" generation be looking to you to add some drive and enthusiasm to the board room. We'll want you to be striving for excellence rather than defending mediocrity but I am afraid this is what you are doing here. Blaming somebody else for failings is what we have become used to at Rovers and by saying Nick Elston didn't ask the right questions you are doing exactly that. For the first five minutes Tom talked about his time in football before Rovers and the last five minutes was spent discussing his interests outside the game so over 70% of the interview was about his role at Rovers. It was a chance for Tom to show what he is made of and give Gasheads some hope that our leaders do have the ability to move the club forward. Instead we saw the same lack of preparation and sense of complacency we get every time Wael goes in front of the cameras. I've heard it said by Gasheads with whom you've had run in's and who haven't been your biggest fans that "at least he'll stand up for what he believes in" and you've already shown that by making it clear you don't approve of B***** being our manager. So I hope that if you are appointed you'll be bold enough to take action when you identify weaknesses and encourage your colleagues to implement the policy of continuous improvement which we hear spoken about but of which we don't see much actual evidence.
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Post by bondigas on Oct 19, 2021 9:19:55 GMT
The club needs a zealot on the board, we might see some corporate governance introduced and an AGM held for the year end 2020, Col Mustard certainly doesn't appear up for the job that we were told he was appointed for. Mind you having read this mornings Bristol Post Sam Frost interview with B*****, it looks as if the owner has sanctioned the departure of Widdrington and Starnes. With two trials coming up before the end of this year supporting Rovers is better than having a season ticket at the colosseum in Rome 50 AD years ago, blood letting everywhere.
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