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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 16:11:52 GMT
I haven't watched the video and have no intention of doing so but I do know that the kids on Twitter like Tom because he talks to them. However, I have heard some negative things about Tom from people who have dealt with him on what should be a professional basis but has turned out to be anything but. I have only had cause to contact him once regarding a commercial question and he passed the buck to one of his juniors without asking the full details of the enquiry. I think Tom likes to delegate and get others to do the graft hence the outsourcing which I think has made life more difficult for the customers that it should be helping. Why not Pop - I think you should For no other reason than I have more important things to do but I will try to catch up next week after enjoying a weekend away with all my family across three generations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 16:51:51 GMT
Why not Pop - I think you should For no other reason than I have more important things to do but I will try to catch up next week after enjoying a weekend away with all my family across three generations. Certainly helps keep Rovers woes fully in perspective
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Post by swissgas on Oct 14, 2021 17:16:51 GMT
I think that Swiss is pretty much on the money.It was interesting though that he mentioned issues with implementation of projects. I'll list some of those issues again if you want me to, but they weren't tiny glitches, they were big mistakes which he should have seen coming. But at least he's accepted responsibility for them. Would be nice if he looked like he cared though rather than smiling as he mentions those problems. The entire tone smacks of 'all is well here, heading in the right direction', when the losses, League position and the fact that we've scraped the absolute bottom of the barrel to find this unpleasant manager all suggest the polar opposite. Yet he sits there, smirking away, looking as if he hasn't a care in the world. He also said that he expects to be criticised and won't take any notice. In what way is that even close to a sensible attitude? People point out mistakes and ways that things could be done better, and if he feels threatened or if there's any implied criticism he's just going to ignore it. I'm glad you are happy with him. Now there is a surprise Still very little substance though. How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we need to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So it’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 14, 2021 17:18:57 GMT
Now there is a surprise Still very little substance though. How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we need to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So it’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Spot on answer IMO. Generalities as he can't say anything concrete (no pun). Standard
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Post by swissgas on Oct 14, 2021 17:25:14 GMT
How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we need to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So it’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Spot on answer IMO. Generalities as he can't say anything concrete (no pun). Standard You are tempting me Piratey
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Post by bondigas on Oct 14, 2021 17:53:06 GMT
No news on the year end 2020 AGM so I did have a look at the Nick Elston Interview. Chirpy interviewer doing his best with Mr Mogadon man who came across as about as inspiring as a bag of cement. As for the head and eyes moving left and right and constant looking up at the ceiling as if waiting for an ice bucket of water to fall on his head and not focusing on the camera one to one that was bizarre. As a marketing man I would have thought he would have worked that one out, it did him no favours at all. Tried to be smart with Nick also by saying he came to the home Bolton Wanderers game in August 2017 and remembers it because Jermaine Easter scored, that's the kind of minutia he recollects from games he's been to and he's a bit of a specialist at that sort of thing, don't ask him why he says, but that's his football pedigree coming through . Sorry to disappoint him but it was Ellis Harrison who scored the Rovers goal that evening in a 1-2 home defeat so he needs to find another memory reminder identity at games. What was interesting was he said he rang Wael about joining Rovers whilst working at a Premier League club, then he was asked at the end by Nick about his future ambition and he said he was comfortable with where he was at the moment. So we have this unique situation where we have a guy working for a club in the Premier League, wanting to join a club in then Div 1 still comfortable at work having seen the club relegated to Div 2 with a manager who thinks he's David Icke. It really doesn't stack up does it, I thought ambition was driven by the need to rise to the very top in what ever job you choose, not go into reverse and drop down into the corridor of uncertainty. Rather than worry about an extra 80p per pint coming through the bars by driving sales and improving the match day experience, outsourcing everything he can outsource and requisitioning the 50/50 club from the SC I'd be more impressed if he found both a stadium sponsor and training ground sponsor bringing proper sponsorship money into the club, not nickel and dime tit bits. He's no better than one of those Gloucestershire County Cricket Club benefit agents that used to run the cricketers benefits for the year. I'm afraid we have what we deserve, a lower league commercial manager whom I doubt will still be at the club this time next year. So complacent, comfortable and work shy springs seems fitting from the interview.
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Post by gastower on Oct 14, 2021 19:56:32 GMT
Talking of nickel and dime tit bits has anyone heard of the allegation that Tom G has negotiated a lucrative commission to sell the sole rights of B*****’s trial to Ticket Master ?
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Post by gasprom on Oct 14, 2021 22:07:59 GMT
Now there is a surprise Still very little substance though. How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we need to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So it’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Number one priority for coming up to 6 years, and we were closer to a stadium then than we appear to be now. I guess Tom wasn’t expecting that question.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 14, 2021 23:49:12 GMT
Talking of nickel and dime tit bits has anyone heard of the allegation that Tom G has negotiated a lucrative commission to sell the sole rights of B*****’s trial to Ticket Master ? Will it be available on ifollow?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 15, 2021 2:01:13 GMT
Talking of nickel and dime tit bits has anyone heard of the allegation that Tom G has negotiated a lucrative commission to sell the sole rights of B*****’s trial to Ticket Master ? Will it be available on ifollow? we can’t even be sure very much will happen. There’s massive backlogs in the CJS. Both appearances in court may be delayed, prosecution or defence may ask for more time, Mr “I went over and am trying to suggest Joey gave me a nudge” may not be able to make it. It could be half a year a year or more before B***** is next in court. A pretty decent bet is no court appearance this year for some delay, not odds on but worth a flutter. Pretty much immaterial to us at Bristol Rovers though, if Joey is as out of his depth at football management as we suspect he is, he won’t survive this coming sequence of matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 9:48:40 GMT
Now there is a surprise Still very little substance though. How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we n eed to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So i t’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Can only assume that from a couple of responses, that some people entirely disagree with the contents I've highlighted above. So that means some people disagree we should improve infrastructure, disagree the stadium should be no 1 priority, disagree that we should be bringing through younger players, disagree that we should be working towards sustainability, disagree that we need a new stadium. etc etc. If that is true I'm not surprised they didn't like the interview or thought it was a car crash, because quite frankly they are on a different planet and a million miles away from reality.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 15, 2021 11:22:01 GMT
I saw a great deal of realism in the interview, trying to make the best of a bad job (ie the Mem)and understanding the challenges that the decades of lack of investment has brought us. And that sustainability is desired, but realistically not achievable whilst at the Mem, and that shortfall needs owner investment from WAQ. There is an acknowledgement that biggest priority is new stadium, but in the meantime we try and maximise what we can at the Mem. I see no complacency. I suspect Swiss doesnt like reference to continued owner investment to fund shortfall,even though its an inevitable requirement but I'm rather surprised he didnt say so. A positive reaction to interview. People will continue to carp, but he was thoughtful and definitely not smug or complacent. I love reading the reaction to such interviews as it reveals the level of closed minds in our fan base. He is disliked because he is an outsider, a moderniser, 30 years too young, nothing to do with the SC or old regime. He is working under massive constraints and we need to provide him with some better tools to generate revenue. Good interview.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 15, 2021 11:24:41 GMT
Will it be available on ifollow? we can’t even be sure very much will happen. There’s massive backlogs in the CJS. Both appearances in court may be delayed, prosecution or defence may ask for more time, Mr “I went over and am trying to suggest Joey gave me a nudge” may not be able to make it. It could be half a year a year or more before B***** is next in court. A pretty decent bet is no court appearance this year for some delay, not odds on but worth a flutter. Pretty much immaterial to us at Bristol Rovers though, if Joey is as out of his depth at football management as we suspect he is, he won’t survive this coming sequence of matches. Not according to the man himself, who has received the vote of confidence from the President, FWIW.
Those wanting him out were hoping the outcome of the court case(s) would seal his fate.
I'm more worried about the impact that the two impending cases have on his ability to manage the team. I know I'd worry if I had a library book overdue, so coping with 2 upcoming court cases must put massive additional strain.
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Post by gasprom on Oct 15, 2021 11:32:50 GMT
How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we n eed to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So i t’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Can only assume that from a couple of responses, that some people entirely disagree with the contents I've highlighted above. So that means some people disagree we should improve infrastructure, disagree the stadium should be no 1 priority, disagree that we should be bringing through younger players, disagree that we should be working towards sustainability, disagree that we need a new stadium. etc etc. If that is true I'm not surprised they didn't like the interview or thought it was a car crash, because quite frankly they are on a different planet and a million miles away from reality. I certainly don’t disagree with those words and I’d be surprised if anyone did. It’s more about actions. All I’ll say is if I bought a market stall and said I had plans to turn it into one of the biggest chains in the area id expect people to be enthused. If 6 years later I was still saying exactly the same thing and all I’d done is put a canvas roof on the market stall in that time, I’d expect people to be a little less enthused
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 15, 2021 11:33:06 GMT
Talking of nickel and dime tit bits has anyone heard of the allegation that Tom G has negotiated a lucrative commission to sell the sole rights of B*****’s trial to Ticket Master ? Which, given their track record, pretty much means that no one could get one to be there……..😜
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 14:06:16 GMT
OK, one thing he said that I agree with is that departments need to continually assess their efficiency, so whilst he's claiming an extra 80p per-person yield, I think that was from people using bars, what's the additional gross retained profit PA for areas he's responsible for since he arrived? One other thing I'm particularly interested in, but have never got an answer to. Those little plastic boxes on the turnstiles, are they just scanners are are they recording data so that the club can see who is attending, what time they arrive, how many games each season ticket holder attends etc etc etc. You know, basic CRM stuff from 20 years ago. My suspicion is that they are just 'dumb' scanners. For an interview that you claim was a 'car crash' these are very very weak points to substantiate such a comment. Its almost as if you cant find anything, so are trying to find something to deflect, like the turnstiles (a bit like Swiss did focussing on TG's demeanour in a minor Podcast interview) Must do better in order to get any credibility To be honest, I wouldn't expect you can give credit to anything that didn't align precisely with your opinion and presuppositions, so you'll just have to forgive me if pointing out failures on the part of Gorringe and asking specific questions relating to hardware and software he had installed and specifically referenced in that interview isn't good enough for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 14:13:22 GMT
Now there is a surprise Still very little substance though. How about this substantive information regarding the new stadium which Tom provided about 20 minutes into the interview ? Nick Elston. Our ultimate goal is the stadium and I guess you are sick of being asked but how is that situation and where are we on this ? Tom Gorringe. Um, yeah, I mean, obviously there’s not a lot that can be said apart from what Wael’s updated in his letters. The strategy of the club is improving the infrastructure and obviously part is the training ground but part is the stadium. And that's our number one priority above all else but beyond that , um, we obviously want to work towards bringing through younger players and, um, continue to improve across all departments and make the fanbase further integrated with the community. At the heart of everything we do we’re a family club and we need to be developing the fanbase and working within the community in unison with the Community Trust. And we need to work towards sustainability and ultimately it comes with the infrastructure being a new stadium which allows us to generate the income which allows us to support a football team at this level. So it’s of paramount importance to us but it’s also the most complicated piece of the jigsaw puzzle as the club has found over the past decades and decades so, uh, yeah, that’s kinda where we are with it at the moment. Um yeah obviously kind of like sort of thing what you need to understand is that kind of like um yea obviously sustainable stadium community obviously um yea. Grin. Next question please. Useless, utterly useless. This is the calibre of person that Wael promotes to being an Executive Director. No wonder we are a 4th tier club in a dump of a stadium, that UWE didn't happen and that the losses are bigger than any other owner could have have feared in their worst nightmares.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 15, 2021 14:44:13 GMT
I saw a great deal of realism in the interview, trying to make the best of a bad job (ie the Mem)and understanding the challenges that the decades of lack of investment has brought us. And that sustainability is desired, but realistically not achievable whilst at the Mem, and that shortfall needs owner investment from WAQ. There is an acknowledgement that biggest priority is new stadium, but in the meantime we try and maximise what we can at the Mem. I see no complacency. I suspect Swiss doesnt like reference to continued owner investment to fund shortfall,even though its an inevitable requirement but I'm rather surprised he didnt say so. A positive reaction to interview. People will continue to carp, but he was thoughtful and definitely not smug or complacent. I love reading the reaction to such interviews as it reveals the level of closed minds in our fan base. He is disliked because he is an outsider, a moderniser, 30 years too young, nothing to do with the SC or old regime. He is working under massive constraints and we need to provide him with some better tools to generate revenue. Good interview. If it is a good interview why do you think the club haven't publicised it and why has nobody posted it on Gaschat ?
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 15, 2021 14:54:48 GMT
A positive reaction to interview. People will continue to carp, but he was thoughtful and definitely not smug or complacent. I love reading the reaction to such interviews as it reveals the level of closed minds in our fan base. He is disliked because he is an outsider, a moderniser, 30 years too young, nothing to do with the SC or old regime. He is working under massive constraints and we need to provide him with some better tools to generate revenue. Good interview. If it is a good interview why do you think the club haven't publicised it and why has nobody posted it on Gaschat ? that's circumstantial I still think it's a good interview. You're still a bit tempted
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Post by swissgas on Oct 15, 2021 15:39:01 GMT
If it is a good interview why do you think the club haven't publicised it and why has nobody posted it on Gaschat ? that's circumstantial I still think it's a good interview. You're still a bit tempted Well you and Vaughan and contradiction think it's a good interview but that is probably because you like Tom and think he's a good bloke and you feel you are helping him by showing support. In the same way that most Gasheads like Wael and think they are helping by encouraging him to carry on the way he is whereas, as you know, I think the exact opposite is true. As bondigas posted above the interview indicates the limit of Tom's ambition is to be employed in the football business in a position which doesn't tax him and which fits with his personal preferences. Just like Wael wanted to own a football club, any club, because that was his ambition and whilst he pays lip service to aspiring to success his main priority is to be liked and for people to be grateful to him. But without a genuine desire to progress or the drive and energy to make things happen you very soon start slipping backwards which is what has happened at Rovers. We are doing a disservice to Tom by praising this uninspiring interview and I think he knows that, and many fans can also see it, which is why it hasn't received greater exposure. If he wants to progress his career whether at Rovers or anywhere else he has to do much better than this.
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