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Post by crater on Jun 24, 2021 20:45:55 GMT
Definitely on the easier looking side of the draw...
Get past Germany and then It's football's coming Rome in the quarter finals!!
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 25, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
The Round of 16 Draw is:
Sat 26th June Wales v Denmark - 5pm - 0-4 Italy v Austria - 8pm - 2-1 (aet)
Sun 27th June Holland v Czech - 5pm - Budapest Belgium v Portugal - 8pm - Seville
Mon 28th June Croatia v Spain - 5pm - Copenhagen France v Switzerland - 8pm - Bucharest
Tues 29th June England v Germany - 5pm - Wembley Sweden v Ukraine - 8pm - Hampden
Quarter-Finals Are:
Fri 2nd July Quarter-final 1: France vs Switzerland vs Croatia or Spain - 5pm - St Petersburg Quarter-final 2: Belgium or Portugal v Italy - 8pm - Munich
Sat 3rd July Quarter-final 3: Holland or Czech Republic v Denmark - 5pm - Baku Quarter-final 4: Sweden or Ukraine vs England or Germany - 8pm - Rome
Semi-Finals Are:
Tues 6th July Semi-final 1: Belgium/Portugal/Italy v France/Switzerland/Croatia/Spain - 8pm - Wembley
Wed 7th July Semi-final 2: Sweden/Ukraine/England/Germany v Holland/Czech Republic/Denmark - 8pm - Wembley
The Euro Final is on Sunday the 11th July at 8pm - Wembley
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Post by The Concept on Jun 26, 2021 9:19:21 GMT
Thank you for all the links from the F A etc [ You're more than welcome, sir! ] didn't need to read [ Oh. ] because frankly they are a joke of a organisation on most matters [ Right, so first you try to link them to Marxists, and then when they're forced to make a statement (that they should never have to in the first place) you don't believe it - I see. ] The point I was making if you have read my previous thread [ Yes, I did thank you - load of tosh wasn't it ] was that no one with any sense should have aligned themselves that closely with BLM given its Marxist views [ But they haven't. You've made it up. It's a figment of your imagination. ] What the FA and far too many corporate bodies, central and local government should have done was to create a different title to BLM therefore ensuring the issue of racism was highlighted but under different 'name' or re branded kick it out? [ When the Black Lives Matter protests were going on last year it was a movement; the vast majority of people had no concern about any political organisation, what they cared about was equality and inclusion. Yes, there may have been some people on the marches who would call themselves Marxist, but a tiny percentage. When it comes to footballers taking the knee they are even further removed from this. ] I don't want to see any Rovers player taking the knee because of the far too direct connection to the political organisation of BLM [ Reprise: But there is no connection. You've made it up. It's a figment of your imagination. ] That doesn't make me a racist just a unwillingness to accept a poorly thought out process [ Super! I'll put you down in the still struggling to comprehend camp instead then. ] I am sorry that you felt my previous thread was a load of tosh but pleased that I can reply similarly! If you have taken the time to research then you will know that BLM in America was formed in 2013, a political organisation as alluded to you above [ You keep telling me to read what you've said (which I have) and do research, yet when I provide links you won't read them and don't believe them.
- BLM may have begun in 2013, but 'Bending the Knee' has been around for centuries as an act of submission, and 'Taking the Knee' goes back decades in the Civil Rights Movement.
- Taking the BLM as the organisation (which the players 'Taking the Knee' have nothing to do with) it has been around 8 years now, but I can't see it's done anything Marxist. It seems to all revolve around comments one of the co-founders made in 2015 describing herself and colleagues as 'trained Marxists'. ] Where matters have gone wrong as I have tried to explain (but obviously failed!) is that far too many people have given credence to an organisation which the over whelming majority of people do NOT support with regard to its values [ Yes, you've tried to explain that players taking the knee is linked to a Marxist organisation, and I've tried to explain it isn't - we've reached stalemate ]. So for example having BLM on the back of shirts and taking the knee reinforces that credibility [ ' Black Lives Matter' are words, these words aren't owned by anyone, they aren't even trade-marked. To say that anyone who uses the words 'Black Lives Matter' is linked with a Marxist organisation is quite frankly ridiculous. The best way to stop it being 'owned' by any extremists is for normal people to continue to use it. It's similar in a way to a few years back people feeling uncomfortable about the Union Jack, as it appeared hijacked by the far right. The best way to counter that was for normal people to keep using the Union Jack. ] Fortunately a number of players, including Saha clearly see that such an alignment does not help matters [ For a 'number of players' read 'a small proportion' - but no surprise really, not everyone agrees with everyone on everything ]. Unless someone is of very far right political leaning improving matters regarding injustices is of course correct - however how you present the message of support is just a important as the message that is said [ Agreed that the way you present a message is important, and the way that in which the players have presented their message of support has been exemplary ]
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Post by The Concept on Jun 26, 2021 9:34:46 GMT
Interesting reads above. I don’t involve myself in political threads, nothing to be gained and no one cares a jot about what I think. But, George Floyd did have a criminal record and BLM might be a political organisation that we don’t care for but the main point as far as I’m concerned is: George Floyd was murdered by a policemen because he was black. Had he been white he probably wouldn’t have died. It was the colour of his skin that caused his death and that is wrong. If the England players wish to show their support for black people the world over I’m relaxed about it. UTG! You've fallen in to a bit of a trap here wareham. A lot of what you write is correct, but Floyd wasn't treated any differently because of his skin colour. Without using Google can you, or a single person on this forum tell me if they are familiar with the name Tony Timpa? Nobody will be. He was a white American who died in very similar circumstances to Floyd, the main difference being that before contact with Police he contacted 911 and told them that he had stopped taking his medication and had taken other drugs. He was still knelt on until he stopped breathing and died whilst 3 officers laughed and joked between themselves. He was shouting that he couldn't breath and that they were killing him. The footage is on line and easy to find if you want to see it. American Police brutality appears to be colour blind, they'll attack, assault, shoot and kill anybody. Just ask the family of Justine Damond, a white Australian Lady who phoned 911 to report a disturbance in the rear ally behind her Minneapolis home, officers arrived, she went out to see them, wearing her pyjamas, and was fatally shot, by a black officer. Neither of those were even mentioned on the news here. I'm not even suggesting that they are any more of less tragic than each and every black life lost to Police brutality, but America has a serious problem with members of the public, of all colours, interacting with law enforcement and not surviving the experience. Anyway, back on topic. Well done Scotland, I see Southgate just stood there with his mouth gaping wide open and no idea what to do when he came up against a team who were less talented but fully committed. I don't think anyone disputes that the US Police have carried out brutality across all creeds and colours. The issue is that a black American is more than twice as likely to be shot to death by the Police than a white American. And another statistic from the UK to bear in mind is that 9 times as many black people are stopped and searched than white people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 11:00:23 GMT
You've fallen in to a bit of a trap here wareham. A lot of what you write is correct, but Floyd wasn't treated any differently because of his skin colour. Without using Google can you, or a single person on this forum tell me if they are familiar with the name Tony Timpa? Nobody will be. He was a white American who died in very similar circumstances to Floyd, the main difference being that before contact with Police he contacted 911 and told them that he had stopped taking his medication and had taken other drugs. He was still knelt on until he stopped breathing and died whilst 3 officers laughed and joked between themselves. He was shouting that he couldn't breath and that they were killing him. The footage is on line and easy to find if you want to see it. American Police brutality appears to be colour blind, they'll attack, assault, shoot and kill anybody. Just ask the family of Justine Damond, a white Australian Lady who phoned 911 to report a disturbance in the rear ally behind her Minneapolis home, officers arrived, she went out to see them, wearing her pyjamas, and was fatally shot, by a black officer. Neither of those were even mentioned on the news here. I'm not even suggesting that they are any more of less tragic than each and every black life lost to Police brutality, but America has a serious problem with members of the public, of all colours, interacting with law enforcement and not surviving the experience. Anyway, back on topic. Well done Scotland, I see Southgate just stood there with his mouth gaping wide open and no idea what to do when he came up against a team who were less talented but fully committed. I don't think anyone disputes that the US Police have carried out brutality across all creeds and colours. The issue is that a black American is more than twice as likely to be shot to death by the Police than a white American. And another statistic from the UK to bear in mind is that 9 times as many black people are stopped and searched than white people. This has strayed too far from football and ought to be in the General Chat section, but I'll respond anyway. Who commits the crime in America? If over 50% of the crime is being committed by a small social group (13% of the population) it's not too difficult to work out how you end up with wildly swayed figures of people from that group interacting with Police. If you are a black American who are you most at risk of being killed by? It's not a white person, and it's not a law enforcement officer. No doubt there are deep routed reasons for all of this, but just holding up out of context figures about how many people from what social group US Police kill is, in my opinion, starting at the wrong end of the problem. These are all serious issues, and a blight on American society, but the answers will never be found without honesty in understanding what the questions actually are. My point stands, literally nobody on this forum had ever heard of Tony Timpa or Justine Damond. Ref Stop and Search. You are aware that the people arrested in the Sasha Johnson incident were apprehended following a Stop and Search interaction? Also, talk to the parents of any dead youngster who has been stabbed in London, most of them are young black males, those grieving parents will almost all call for more Stop and Search.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 26, 2021 13:55:11 GMT
I don't think anyone disputes that the US Police have carried out brutality across all creeds and colours. The issue is that a black American is more than twice as likely to be shot to death by the Police than a white American. And another statistic from the UK to bear in mind is that 9 times as many black people are stopped and searched than white people. This has strayed too far from football and ought to be in the General Chat section, but I'll respond anyway. Who commits the crime in America? If over 50% of the crime is being committed by a small social group (13% of the population) it's not too difficult to work out how you end up with wildly swayed figures of people from that group interacting with Police. If you are a black American who are you most at risk of being killed by? It's not a white person, and it's not a law enforcement officer. No doubt there are deep routed reasons for all of this, but just holding up out of context figures about how many people from what social group US Police kill is, in my opinion, starting at the wrong end of the problem. These are all serious issues, and a blight on American society, but the answers will never be found without honesty in understanding what the questions actually are. My point stands, literally nobody on this forum had ever heard of Tony Timpa or Justine Damond. Ref Stop and Search. You are aware that the people arrested in the Sasha Johnson incident were apprehended following a Stop and Search interaction? Also, talk to the parents of any dead youngster who has been stabbed in London, most of them are young black males, those grieving parents will almost all call for more Stop and Search. Like it or not this is absolutely the truth and the black on black murders, mostly Gand/drug related, are horrendous and a very real tragedy. I have never forgotten how shocked I was when I used to go to the stated every other year. I went there with great excitement but was stunned at the amount of times I heard gunshots and saw racism that I thought was history. It was a real culture shock to me, the worst of it being that there was so much Black upon black violence. I did not see things improve over the 35 years that I used to visit my now estranged and only remaining sibling.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 26, 2021 18:19:14 GMT
Wales well beaten,shame.
I listened on the radio , anyone fancy Denmark might reach the final?
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Post by crater on Jun 26, 2021 18:21:59 GMT
Denmark now go to Baku Wales now go Baku home
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 26, 2021 22:38:34 GMT
watched from half time as the Danes' scored their second, from then on you knew the game was up and that Wales would have a man sent off, laughed my socks off.. as long as England only lose by less than 3 i will accept that, knowing we were better than them!!!
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 26, 2021 23:51:41 GMT
The Round of 16 Draw is: Sat 26th June Wales v Denmark - 5pm - 0-4 Italy v Austria - 8pm - 2-1 (aet) Sun 27th June Holland v Czech - 5pm - Budapest - 0-2 Belgium v Portugal - 8pm - Seville - 1-0 Mon 28th June Croatia v Spain - 5pm - Copenhagen France v Switzerland - 8pm - Bucharest Tues 29th June England v Germany - 5pm - Wembley Sweden v Ukraine - 8pm - Hampden Quarter-Finals Are: Fri 2nd July Quarter-final 1: France vs Switzerland vs Croatia or Spain - 5pm - St Petersburg Quarter-final 2: Belgium v Italy - 8pm - Munich Sat 3rd July Quarter-final 3: Czech Republic v Denmark - 5pm - Baku Quarter-final 4: Sweden or Ukraine vs England or Germany - 8pm - Rome Semi-Finals Are: Tues 6th July Semi-final 1: Belgium/Italy v France/Switzerland/Croatia/Spain - 8pm - Wembley Wed 7th July Semi-final 2: Sweden/Ukraine/England/Germany v Czech Republic/Denmark - 8pm - Wembley The Euro Final is on Sunday the 11th July at 8pm - Wembley Updated
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Post by towngas on Jun 27, 2021 7:52:32 GMT
Wales’s were comprehensively outplayed by Denmark. Italy ground out a win against Austria. The inevitable defeat to Germany on Tuesday and it will be the usual teams contesting the quarter finals onwards.
Ho hum.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 27, 2021 12:32:24 GMT
Wales’s were comprehensively outplayed by Denmark. Italy ground out a win against Austria. The inevitable defeat to Germany on Tuesday and it will be the usual teams contesting the quarter finals onwards. Ho hum. It’s by no means inevitable and I have a feeling we will be triumphant in this. Germany are not what they were and we have a great chance of progression.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 27, 2021 21:25:57 GMT
The Round of 16 Draw is: Sat 26th June Wales v Denmark - 5pm - 0-4 Italy v Austria - 8pm - 2-1 (aet) Sun 27th June Holland v Czech - 5pm - Budapest - 0-2 Belgium v Portugal - 8pm - Seville - 1-0 Mon 28th June Croatia v Spain - 5pm - Copenhagen - 3-5 (aet) France v Switzerland - 8pm - Bucharest - 3-3 (aet) - 4-5 pens Tues 29th June England v Germany - 5pm - Wembley Sweden v Ukraine - 8pm - Hampden Quarter-Finals Are: Fri 2nd July Quarter-final 1: Switzerland vs Spain - 5pm - St Petersburg Quarter-final 2: Belgium v Italy - 8pm - Munich Sat 3rd July Quarter-final 3: Czech Republic v Denmark - 5pm - Baku Quarter-final 4: Sweden or Ukraine vs England or Germany - 8pm - Rome Semi-Finals Are: Tues 6th July Semi-final 1: Belgium/Italy v Switzerland/Spain - 8pm - Wembley Wed 7th July Semi-final 2: Sweden/Ukraine/England/Germany v Czech Republic/Denmark - 8pm - Wembley The Euro Final is on Sunday the 11th July at 8pm - Wembley Updated Updated
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 27, 2021 23:12:58 GMT
In the Belgium game, Portugal had 57% of the play, 23 shots and no goals, Belgium had 6 shots, 1 on target and won 1-0.
Who said football is "A Fully Old Game".
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Post by JeffNZ on Jun 28, 2021 1:19:39 GMT
I usually like Portugal but after watching that and the way they feign, dive and rant, I'm glad to see the back of them.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 28, 2021 6:35:53 GMT
I usually like Portugal but after watching that and the way they feign, dive and rant, I'm glad to see the back of them. The petulance and arrogance of a certain Portuguese player is one reason why I refrain from watching much of their games, unfortunately if seems as the whole team have to " big up " to this guy and the result is a whole show of diving and false injury crap, it's only a game of football ffs!!
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2021 19:26:24 GMT
Get in!
Come on Switzerland!
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 28, 2021 20:21:21 GMT
Get in! Come on Switzerland! Alas Le Blue are given a life line with a missed Swiss penalty and the make them pay, two goals in 4 minutes 😕
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2021 20:34:13 GMT
Get in! Come on Switzerland! Alas Le Blue are given a life line with a missed Swiss penalty and the make them pay, two goals in 4 minutes 😕 Yep,that's it now. Well very probably. Penalty save.Sigh.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 28, 2021 20:40:19 GMT
3 2.....
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