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Post by eppinggas on Dec 17, 2019 14:28:26 GMT
The debt alone is all the evidence you need that they are leading us to ruin. We are in danger of being the next Bury. If the debt alone is the only evidence i need then at least 50 clubs will be the next bury anytime soon. Maybe ipswich with £96m of debt? but the list is endless. I wouldn't say 50 Clubs will be the next Bury in the foreseeable future. Maybe 10-15 Clubs in the next 5 years? Macclesfield, Southend, Oldham, Crawley, Morecambe for starters. Let's try and not be one of them. I am in a minority, but believe we should be aiming for sustainability, not the Championship. There are 72 Clubs in the EFL, so the potential list is actually finite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:29:50 GMT
It isn’t exclusive to us but look at it this way: Bristol City are in debt. Does that make our debt okay if Bristol City are in no danger of going bust? No, because all debt is different and that’s the issue: how much loss can our owners under write? We don’t know the answer to that but if I were to estimate it would be in the low tens of millions. They aren’t a significant entity in the footballing pantheon of financial heavyweights. Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum. Sounds reasonable. But to give us some context to understand your point of view, can you investigate the financial structure on all of those other clubs and let us know at how many the owners have all of the debt secured against the stadium please? Without that information it sounds as if you are just sticking a finger in the air and hoping for a favourable wind.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 17, 2019 14:32:24 GMT
It isn’t exclusive to us but look at it this way: Bristol City are in debt. Does that make our debt okay if Bristol City are in no danger of going bust? No, because all debt is different and that’s the issue: how much loss can our owners under write? We don’t know the answer to that but if I were to estimate it would be in the low tens of millions. They aren’t a significant entity in the footballing pantheon of financial heavyweights. Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum. Crikey, I agree with you. The estimate that our owners are willing to write off is likely to be a lot lower than that. I'll ask Hani.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:44:25 GMT
Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum. Sounds reasonable. But to give us some context to understand your point of view, can you investigate the financial structure on all of those other clubs and let us know at how many the owners have all of the debt secured against the stadium please? Without that information it sounds as if you are just sticking a finger in the air and hoping for a favourable wind. What method you use to service/manage your debt is not relevant in my view because if you become insolvent you will lose your assets/stadium anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:45:57 GMT
Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum. Crikey, I agree with you. The estimate that our owners are willing to write off is likely to be a lot lower than that. I'll ask Hani. Its "likely to be"? So your guess is at odds with WSM's guess.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 17, 2019 14:54:52 GMT
Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum. Sounds reasonable. But to give us some context to understand your point of view, can you investigate the financial structure on all of those other clubs and let us know at how many the owners have all of the debt secured against the stadium please? Without that information it sounds as if you are just sticking a finger in the air and hoping for a favourable wind. The financial structure is much the same isn't it. The whim of the owners
The more pertinent question is what are they prepared to write off I guess
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 15:03:56 GMT
Sounds reasonable. But to give us some context to understand your point of view, can you investigate the financial structure on all of those other clubs and let us know at how many the owners have all of the debt secured against the stadium please? Without that information it sounds as if you are just sticking a finger in the air and hoping for a favourable wind. What method you use to service/manage your debt is not relevant in my view because if you become insolvent you will lose your assets/stadium anyway. And further into the corner you back yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 15:20:00 GMT
What method you use to service/manage your debt is not relevant in my view because if you become insolvent you will lose your assets/stadium anyway. And further into the corner you back yourself. And you simply resort to your smug/superior put down attitude. So just leave it there.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 17, 2019 15:21:01 GMT
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Post by alloutofgas on Dec 17, 2019 18:08:26 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. This is the crux of the issue. Who on earth would want to manage at this club? There is no firm commitment beyond the end of this season from the owners. No plan, no ambition, no communication.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 17, 2019 18:15:12 GMT
first interview of any prospective coach/manager should it be him/her,,,,,,, consultation with DC & GC ,, find out what they are letting themselves in for and what PROMISES they are about to receive
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 17, 2019 19:15:52 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. This is the crux of the issue. Who on earth would want to manage at this club? There is no firm commitment beyond the end of this season from the owners. No plan, no ambition, no communication. More out of work managers than positions available. So expect applications on way!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 19:35:21 GMT
And further into the corner you back yourself. And you simply resort to your smug/superior put down attitude. So just leave it there. Do you need a detailed explanation of why you are wrong, or would that be 'smug'? I can't help the fact that you are wrong so often, that's on you, not me.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 17, 2019 20:56:16 GMT
Back to the OP...….
Paul Hurst, but likely under contract at Scunthorpe so can't see that happening
Plus he's at a club with likely more ambition and better facilities than us so why would he come here.
Ideally I'd like someone in the mould of the Cowley brothers - setting non league alight and progressive in their approach. Can't see and candidates in that mould either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 21:54:43 GMT
And you simply resort to your smug/superior put down attitude. So just leave it there. Do you need a detailed explanation of why you are wrong, or would that be 'smug'? I can't help the fact that you are wrong so often, that's on you, not me. Your just plain rude but gutless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 21:56:51 GMT
Do you need a detailed explanation of why you are wrong, or would that be 'smug'? I can't help the fact that you are wrong so often, that's on you, not me. Your just plain rude but gutless. That doesn't even make sense
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 17, 2019 23:23:02 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. You mean much like it’s been for the past 50 years! 😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 23:55:39 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. You mean much like it’s been for the past 50 years! 😉 UTG! Except this time we are 4th in the league. Mostly we are struggling when a new manager arrives.
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 18, 2019 2:29:43 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. You mean much like it’s been for the past 50 years! 😉 UTG! Both of you have got it spot on, for many years we seem to panic at board level when we get a sniff of promotion and if we actually do go up there is no money for new players. We are bleeding money every week and we have always sold star players to keep our heads above water, it's a catch 22 situation whether to stick or twist at board level.
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Post by JeffNZ on Dec 18, 2019 8:19:37 GMT
Keith Curle? Seems to be doing a good job at Northampton.
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