harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 16, 2019 20:43:46 GMT
No idea what Ray is up to, but Buckle has a decent job doesn't he? He is a technical advisor at Hartford Athletic I see his wife every Saturday morning sounds dodgy ?you see Ray's wife while he is out coaching Hartford ?
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Post by swissgas on Dec 16, 2019 20:50:42 GMT
He is a technical advisor at Hartford Athletic I see his wife every Saturday morning Ah, right. I didn't realise that he'd moved from Southampton. Is that a good job to have? I know nothing of USA 'soccer'. Here is a link to their website showing the ownership group www.hartfordathletic.com/ownership
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Post by swissgas on Dec 16, 2019 20:52:20 GMT
He is a technical advisor at Hartford Athletic I see his wife every Saturday morning sounds dodgy ?you see Ray's wife while he is out coaching Hartford ? No, it’s Paul Buckle’s wife Becky I wake up with every Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:55:26 GMT
Ah, right. I didn't realise that he'd moved from Southampton. Is that a good job to have? I know nothing of USA 'soccer'. Here is a link to their website showing the ownership group www.hartfordathletic.com/ownershipFinished 17 out of 18 in their League. Good to see Paul hasn't lost his touch.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 16, 2019 22:01:52 GMT
I’m pleased to see Holloway appointed as the director of football, and seat on the board. Holloways as DOF to lay down some continuity even if managers go, Tisdale to coach and manage games now gives us some proper football. Holloway = transfer wheeling dealing, Tisdale = proper 2 1 4 1 2 football. Their appointments show some smart thinking behind the scenes after all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 23:06:31 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 17, 2019 8:09:07 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. Interesting. When did you go from "believer" to "cynic"? Serious question... I think most of us have had some kind of "tipping point" with Dwane Sports. Mine was about 3 months after the initial UWE collapse and the total absence of a "Plan B". Apparently there are some people at the other place who are still banging a drum for the Al-Qadi's. Unbelievable Jeff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 8:14:07 GMT
Who's Unbelievable Jeff? Is it Unbelievable JeffNZ?
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 17, 2019 8:15:40 GMT
Who's Unbelievable Jeff? Is it Unbelievable JeffNZ ? Damn. Was meant to be a PM...
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Post by JeffNZ on Dec 17, 2019 8:17:30 GMT
Who's Unbelievable Jeff? Is it Unbelievable JeffNZ? A not unfamiliar response I've had over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 8:32:10 GMT
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Massive injury list,subs bench full of kids and owners trying to sell clarke-harris and the club. Just to top it off there will be f**k all to spend in january and a lower budget next season. Interesting. When did you go from "believer" to "cynic"? Serious question... I think most of us have had some kind of "tipping point" with Dwane Sports. Mine was about 3 months after the initial UWE collapse and the total absence of a "Plan B". Apparently there are some people at the other place who are still banging a drum for the Al-Qadi's. Unbelievable Jeff. To be honest i think you missed the point of my previous posts about the owners. What is totally useless is posters saying this or that might possibly happen to the club etc etc. We really do need some facts,rather than guesswork based around losses. The frustrating thing is that wael did talk all about a new ground,training ground and cat 2 academy when he arrived and his credibility is shot to pieces. Most EFL clubs have high losses and many including our club are being kept afloat by their respective owners. What i am saying is they have not delivered on their promises but nobody has produced a shred of evidence to prove that they are leading us to ruin.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 17, 2019 8:55:04 GMT
"What is totally useless is posters saying this or that might possibly happen to the club etc etc". My understanding is that is pretty much the raision d'etre of a football forum. And with so little communication from the Club (eg updates on the Fruit Market) - the void gets filled with speculation. Some of this speculation is interesting and insightful. Some of it comes from previous Directors who actually know the ins and outs of running a football club. Some of it comes from people connected with the current setup and they are genuinely worried about the future of the football club. "We really do need some facts". No sh*t Sherlock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 10:23:37 GMT
Interesting. When did you go from "believer" to "cynic"? Serious question... I think most of us have had some kind of "tipping point" with Dwane Sports. Mine was about 3 months after the initial UWE collapse and the total absence of a "Plan B". Apparently there are some people at the other place who are still banging a drum for the Al-Qadi's. Unbelievable Jeff. To be honest i think you missed the point of my previous posts about the owners. What is totally useless is posters saying this or that might possibly happen to the club etc etc. We really do need some facts,rather than guesswork based around losses. The frustrating thing is that wael did talk all about a new ground,training ground and cat 2 academy when he arrived and his credibility is shot to pieces. Most EFL clubs have high losses and many including our club are being kept afloat by their respective owners. What i am saying is they have not delivered on their promises but nobody has produced a shred of evidence to prove that they are leading us to ruin. The debt alone is all the evidence you need that they are leading us to ruin. We are in danger of being the next Bury.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 17, 2019 11:37:54 GMT
That's one rumour scotched. He's got another job.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 17, 2019 11:38:14 GMT
To be honest i think you missed the point of my previous posts about the owners. What is totally useless is posters saying this or that might possibly happen to the club etc etc. We really do need some facts,rather than guesswork based around losses. The frustrating thing is that wael did talk all about a new ground,training ground and cat 2 academy when he arrived and his credibility is shot to pieces. Most EFL clubs have high losses and many including our club are being kept afloat by their respective owners. What i am saying is they have not delivered on their promises but nobody has produced a shred of evidence to prove that they are leading us to ruin. The debt alone is all the evidence you need that they are leading us to ruin. We are in danger of being the next Bury. and so are how many clubs? That is not to defend the Al-Qadi's necessarily over their running of the club, but I think Vertigo is trying to say it isn't exclusive to us.
Ipswich £96m owed to their owner for instance. Is he leading them to ruin? or is he just a nice guy with more money than sense
Footballs business model as a whole is broken and doesn't exist in any real world scenario until it becomes too late and often some other nutter comes along at takes a club on whilst debts get easily written off and real business' feel the effects when a club goes into admin
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Dec 17, 2019 12:32:53 GMT
Does Big Tone have the necessary coaching qualifications??? He's been immense for us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 13:17:37 GMT
The debt alone is all the evidence you need that they are leading us to ruin. We are in danger of being the next Bury. and so are how many clubs? That is not to defend the Al-Qadi's necessarily over their running of the club, but I think Vertigo is trying to say it isn't exclusive to us.
Ipswich £96m owed to their owner for instance. Is he leading them to ruin? or is he just a nice guy with more money than sense
Footballs business model as a whole is broken and doesn't exist in any real world scenario until it becomes too late and often some other nutter comes along at takes a club on whilst debts get easily written off and real business' feel the effects when a club goes into admin
It isn’t exclusive to us but look at it this way: Bristol City are in debt. Does that make our debt okay if Bristol City are in no danger of going bust? No, because all debt is different and that’s the issue: how much loss can our owners under write? We don’t know the answer to that but if I were to estimate it would be in the low tens of millions. They aren’t a significant entity in the footballing pantheon of financial heavyweights.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 13:27:37 GMT
Just to add that if these guys had significant money to finance Rovers wouldn’t our training ground have actually been in operation right now rather than mothballed amid rumours that their plans were underfunded by some 6 million? That indicates to me that they don’t have a lot of wealth to throw at Rovers and increasing debt is a very real and serious threat to the existence of this club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:14:10 GMT
To be honest i think you missed the point of my previous posts about the owners. What is totally useless is posters saying this or that might possibly happen to the club etc etc. We really do need some facts,rather than guesswork based around losses. The frustrating thing is that wael did talk all about a new ground,training ground and cat 2 academy when he arrived and his credibility is shot to pieces. Most EFL clubs have high losses and many including our club are being kept afloat by their respective owners. What i am saying is they have not delivered on their promises but nobody has produced a shred of evidence to prove that they are leading us to ruin. The debt alone is all the evidence you need that they are leading us to ruin. We are in danger of being the next Bury. If the debt alone is the only evidence i need then at least 50 clubs will be the next bury anytime soon. Maybe ipswich with £96m of debt? but the list is endless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:16:54 GMT
and so are how many clubs? That is not to defend the Al-Qadi's necessarily over their running of the club, but I think Vertigo is trying to say it isn't exclusive to us.
Ipswich £96m owed to their owner for instance. Is he leading them to ruin? or is he just a nice guy with more money than sense
Footballs business model as a whole is broken and doesn't exist in any real world scenario until it becomes too late and often some other nutter comes along at takes a club on whilst debts get easily written off and real business' feel the effects when a club goes into admin
It isn’t exclusive to us but look at it this way: Bristol City are in debt. Does that make our debt okay if Bristol City are in no danger of going bust? No, because all debt is different and that’s the issue: how much loss can our owners under write? We don’t know the answer to that but if I were to estimate it would be in the low tens of millions. They aren’t a significant entity in the footballing pantheon of financial heavyweights. Here we go again. "if i were to estimate blah blah" Its just hopeless guesswork by some poster on a forum.
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