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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:46:56 GMT
The thought of Ollie has me grimacing. Yes and no. The time certainly wasn’t right before but I don’t know now. I’m far more open to it. When it comes to passion and contacts I don’t see anyone else on the horizon that would match him. Tactically, had a fair amount of championship experience so could gain an advantage there. There’s a large section of our ranks who are saying never ever again though and I do understand the hero to zero worry., I suppose it did work with Francis and Ward.
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Post by eppinggas on May 3, 2019 13:06:52 GMT
Coughlan deserves a chance to re-build the squad (should he stay). He was asked to keep us up, and he did. I don't know anyone who thinks the 2 1/2 year contract given to him was sane. It smacks of very poor negotiation from our senior management team. I'll back him. But I am concerned that we are really going to struggle to attract the 'right' people - although J CH and Ogogo were definitely good signings. We just need another 4-5 of that calibre and that isn't going to be easy. Failing a decent summer window - it kind of points to an entire season of ugly, defensive, bottom third football. To be fair, as Coughlan said repeatedly, we have to "cut our cloth accordingly". This is pretty obviously a reference to the playing budget. On balance, if he goes to Plymouth... I don't think anyone is going to be distraught. Whether he goes or stays, the fundamental problems the Club has on and off the pitch will remain. UTG. again the 2 1/2 year contract. Does anyone actually know the details other than the immediate people involved?
How do we know there are/were no break clauses/conditions in there in respect of staying up?
We don't "know" the details of his contract of employment, but we can make a fairly educated guess. Coughlan wouldn't have signed a "6 month and we'll review it" contract. And to be fair - why should he? At the time he was on a good run, had the fans backing and was the relatively 'cheap' option. He was in a very strong bargaining position at the time and chanced his arm asking for 2 1/2 years. Our senior management team acquiesced, as they didn't have another option. If GC stays and is an utter disaster - he'll get fired and walk off with 1 years pay. Remember DC's 5 yr contract?!? Lasted around 6 months.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 13:14:00 GMT
Coughlan deserves a chance to re-build the squad (should he stay). He was asked to keep us up, and he did. I don't know anyone who thinks the 2 1/2 year contract given to him was sane. It smacks of very poor negotiation from our senior management team. I'll back him. But I am concerned that we are really going to struggle to attract the 'right' people - although J CH and Ogogo were definitely good signings. We just need another 4-5 of that calibre and that isn't going to be easy. Failing a decent summer window - it kind of points to an entire season of ugly, defensive, bottom third football. To be fair, as Coughlan said repeatedly, we have to "cut our cloth accordingly". This is pretty obviously a reference to the playing budget. On balance, if he goes to Plymouth... I don't think anyone is going to be distraught. Whether he goes or stays, the fundamental problems the Club has on and off the pitch will remain. UTG. again the 2 1/2 year contract. Does anyone actually know the details other than the immediate people involved?
How do we know there are/were no break clauses/conditions in there in respect of staying up?
The length of the contract has been widely reported, including in today's Bristol Post.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 3, 2019 13:45:23 GMT
again the 2 1/2 year contract. Does anyone actually know the details other than the immediate people involved?
How do we know there are/were no break clauses/conditions in there in respect of staying up?
The length of the contract has been widely reported, including in today's Bristol Post. not debating the length of the contract, just the details
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Post by Peter Parker on May 3, 2019 13:53:56 GMT
again the 2 1/2 year contract. Does anyone actually know the details other than the immediate people involved?
How do we know there are/were no break clauses/conditions in there in respect of staying up?
We don't "know" the details of his contract of employment, but we can make a fairly educated guess. Coughlan wouldn't have signed a "6 month and we'll review it" contract. And to be fair - why should he? At the time he was on a good run, had the fans backing and was the relatively 'cheap' option. He was in a very strong bargaining position at the time and chanced his arm asking for 2 1/2 years. Our senior management team acquiesced, as they didn't have another option. If GC stays and is an utter disaster - he'll get fired and walk off with 1 years pay. Remember DC's 5 yr contract?!? Lasted around 6 months. lot's of assumptions or 'educated guesses' there then
If we only gave him 6 months and he walked into the Plymouth job, no doubt people would be slagging the club off for not signing up longer
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Post by eppinggas on May 3, 2019 14:14:29 GMT
I think a 1 yr contract would have suited both parties perfectly adequately. Coughlan keeps us up and next season starts well - then give him a contract extension because he would have earned it. If he had relegated us - then it only costs us 6 months of his contract to get rid and replace him. Coughlan knew the danger of the latter scenario and gets his way with a longer contract - and I don't blame him. It just indicates to me poor negotiation or poor decision making from senior management. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks a 2 1/2 year contract was the 'right' length.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 3, 2019 14:56:27 GMT
I think a 1 yr contract would have suited both parties perfectly adequately. Coughlan keeps us up and next season starts well - then give him a contract extension because he would have earned it. If he had relegated us - then it only costs us 6 months of his contract to get rid and replace him. Coughlan knew the danger of the latter scenario and gets his way with a longer contract - and I don't blame him. It just indicates to me poor negotiation or poor decision making from senior management. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks a 2 1/2 year contract was the 'right' length. I Don't think i have suggested it was the right length or not, only that knowing the length in it's self does not necessarily tell the whole story
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 9:20:18 GMT
GC presented a wholly different prospect to those players that considered their agents to be their employers and set about instilling discipline within the ranks of those that rather than respond to management demands preferred to gather in groups referring to their mobile phones. Earn the shirt and you keep it, basic football understanding trying to build a team not a squad that never knew what was coming next, dumping malcontents, expecting effort and rewarding those that responded. He took on a sewer and hasn’t flinched. He had one job, keep us up at all costs, he made it clear from the start we were unlikely to see pretty football, results were all that mattered. that's a completely different take on the divided squad/manager as bully perception. And not one that is necessarily wrong interesting also that both DC and GC have made a point in the press (at least until very very recently) about talking about how hard the squad was working and how committed they were It seems to me that players decide for themselves in concert with their agents whether or not they will follow anything the manager tells them. GC made comments early on about their “gathering in little groups”. These managers are walking on eggs dealing with them.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 10:34:31 GMT
With regard to GC’s future here I fear we are going to drive him away before he has had a chance to put his own team together. Make no mistake about it if we do JCH will follow him out there’s a chemistry between them that works.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on May 4, 2019 11:10:36 GMT
With regard to GC’s future here I fear we are going to drive him away before he has had a chance to put his own team together. Make no mistake about it if we do JCH will follow him out there’s a chemistry between them that works. Even so, if cocko likes the muff job, and the fans there like him, for the particular situation we find ourselves, kept up, a l1 club to rebuild ourselves in this division after a near kiss of death with relegation, I quite like Olly’s years of experience and contact book to oversea it, particularly if he can bring other gas favourites in to groom keen young coaches, a couple of names not for the actual name but the idea: tilson, Campbell, bignot. Grooming used to to be an innocent word once in football. 😕
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 11:39:05 GMT
Stuart Campbell?? Would he teach the other coaches and players how to undermine the manager?
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Post by eastlondongas on May 4, 2019 16:49:49 GMT
Yes and no. The time certainly wasn’t right before but I don’t know now. I’m far more open to it. When it comes to passion and contacts I don’t see anyone else on the horizon that would match him. Tactically, had a fair amount of championship experience so could gain an advantage there. There’s a large section of our ranks who are saying never ever again though and I do understand the hero to zero worry., I suppose it did work with Francis and Ward. Haha. Completely aware of that. Agree that nostalgia doesn’t equal success. Both of those weren’t Bristol Rovers fans though. I think Ollie would bring so much buzz to the club and genuinely care about everyone involved with BRFC. Inevitably, like 90% of football managers it would ofcourse end badly. Personally I’d be very proud to see Ollie as our manager again.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 19:20:55 GMT
I Don't think I have suggested it was the right length or not, only that knowing the length in itself does not necessarily tell the whole story. So I keep telling the missus.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 19:31:32 GMT
I think a 1 yr contract would have suited both parties perfectly adequately. Coughlan keeps us up and next season starts well - then give him a contract extension because he would have earned it. If he had relegated us - then it only costs us 6 months of his contract to get rid and replace him. Coughlan knew the danger of the latter scenario and gets his way with a longer contract - and I don't blame him. It just indicates to me poor negotiation or poor decision making from senior management. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks a 2 1/2 year contract was the 'right' length. I'm comfortable with it being that long. We needed the man to be fully focused on the job he was doing, not thinking about the possibility of being unemployed in the middle of the coming season, or having the remaining few months of his contract paid up during the summer. 2 1/2 years, if that's what it was, was a good decision.
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Post by axegas on May 4, 2019 20:39:32 GMT
I think a 1 yr contract would have suited both parties perfectly adequately. Coughlan keeps us up and next season starts well - then give him a contract extension because he would have earned it. If he had relegated us - then it only costs us 6 months of his contract to get rid and replace him. Coughlan knew the danger of the latter scenario and gets his way with a longer contract - and I don't blame him. It just indicates to me poor negotiation or poor decision making from senior management. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks a 2 1/2 year contract was the 'right' length. I think that is the right length of contract too actually. Allowed him to focus on the job and it evidently worked considering he took over 4 points from safety and we finished 4 points above 21st place. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks offering him a 1 year contract was the right length as that would leave him out of contract midway through next season!
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Post by eppinggas on May 4, 2019 21:46:50 GMT
I think a 1 yr contract would have suited both parties perfectly adequately. Coughlan keeps us up and next season starts well - then give him a contract extension because he would have earned it. If he had relegated us - then it only costs us 6 months of his contract to get rid and replace him. Coughlan knew the danger of the latter scenario and gets his way with a longer contract - and I don't blame him. It just indicates to me poor negotiation or poor decision making from senior management. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks a 2 1/2 year contract was the 'right' length. I think that is the right length of contract too actually. Allowed him to focus on the job and it evidently worked considering he took over 4 points from safety and we finished 4 points above 21st place. As far as I'm aware you are the only person I know who thinks offering him a 1 year contract was the right length as that would leave him out of contract midway through next season! Whatever. Let's see what the summer transfer window brings. We all know that major work is required to make us remotely competitive. UTG.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 5, 2019 14:10:59 GMT
The thought of Ollie has me grimacing. Totally agree. If he did come then he’d be faced with the same budget and cuts and I think it would be an unwise move. Right now he has legend status and I wouldn’t like that to be tarred by him coming back & there is no way he could live up to the huge expectation that many would have. I think it’s just a bad idea and no good would come of it
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 14:37:57 GMT
Only just, 4 points and a decent goal difference. Which he built on by playing negative football. He falls out with players as most managers do. But you cannot leave players out to the detriment of the team just because you have had words. That's a recipe for a relagation battle and a short managerial career. Wouldn't you rather play players that have the ability to win a match regardless of sucking up to the manager or not. Really pissed off with this to me to you chuckle brothers style of football. I thought scoring goals for your team was the ultimate. No f**ker wants to score, Rodman scored 2 yesterday, he was at the end of a long line of players who couldn't be asked to shoot !
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 5, 2019 14:48:45 GMT
Only just, 4 points and a decent goal difference. Which he built on by playing negative football. He falls out with players as most managers do. But you cannot leave players out to the detriment of the team just because you have had words. That's a recipe for a relagation battle and a short managerial career. Wouldn't you rather play players that have the ability to win a match regardless of sucking up to the manager or not. Really pissed off with this to me to you chuckle brothers style of football. I thought scoring goals for your team was the ultimate. No fer wants to score, Rodman scored 2 yesterday, he was at the end of a long line of players who couldn't be asked to shoot ! A bit unfair as Sercombe had two clear chances but one went wide, with the keeper not close and the other went straight at their keeper. I will say that we looked like we were trying to walk the ball into the net but we played more attack minded football than I’ve seen this season, at home. We even got the ball out wide on a few occasions. I know it was V 10 men but I thought we played with more energy and pushed up further than usual. The atmosphere was so much better too and even the south west tent was singing.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 15:19:25 GMT
Only just, 4 points and a decent goal difference. Which he built on by playing negative football. He falls out with players as most managers do. But you cannot leave players out to the detriment of the team just because you have had words. That's a recipe for a relagation battle and a short managerial career. Wouldn't you rather play players that have the ability to win a match regardless of sucking up to the manager or not. Really pissed off with this to me to you chuckle brothers style of football. I thought scoring goals for your team was the ultimate. No fer wants to score, Rodman scored 2 yesterday, he was at the end of a long line of players who couldn't be asked to shoot ! Kegs, I don't care if we stayed up on goal difference because the ball hit a dog turd and deflected into the goal in the last second of the last game, we stayed up, that was this manager's brief, mission accomplished. Sorry you aren't happy about that. The ball's back in the owners' court now, are they going to invest or play Russian roulette with our future again? Sadly, I suspect that their priority will be the London office over the players that we need.
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