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Post by a more piratey game on May 2, 2019 22:09:06 GMT
No, that’s why it’s a load of waffle whilst making veiled negative comments against a contracted player. Yep. Dismissive of Chris Lines in a few comments. He does realise that Chris, a) Is still a class footballer, b) played higher level and well, yet dropped several divisions to.play for the club he loves, c) doesn't need loyalty lessons from anyone, be that the current manager or a Portsmouth player. Hmmmm....
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Post by a more piratey game on May 2, 2019 22:10:04 GMT
Coughlan hated in the dressing room, a bully, Tony Craig senior pro kept the side up. Apart from those who joined the club in the window every player wants away in the summer. If you know a player check it out one to one, More hmm...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 22:52:35 GMT
Coughlan hated in the dressing room, a bully, Tony Craig senior pro kept the side up. Apart from those who joined the club in the window every player wants away in the summer. If you know a player check it out one to one, I just want you to know that i think your post is utter tripe. The worst kind of hearsay and laughable in its utter silliness. I mean read it back to yourself,gross generalisation like "every player wants away" But it must be all true because "bondigas" says so. What a total joke!!
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Post by laughinggas on May 3, 2019 6:19:42 GMT
And it's all not true because you say so?
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 3, 2019 7:26:25 GMT
I don't think the board will give him anymore money to get better players in ... fair enough. Maybe you're more itk than most, as I don't know that is a fact. Do you think it would be like that for whomever was manager? Yes sadly I know a member of staff that helps with the young players/development Staff and they have been told that money will be tight next season and some of the equipment will have to be paid for by parents. Also they will be sharing training facilities together as well
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Post by bloogas on May 3, 2019 8:27:50 GMT
How often did Chris Lines play in a higher league than League One, then, Dr F? I have the impression, rightly or wrongly, that Sheffield Wednesday didn't rate him & he was going nowhere at Port Vale. Coming back to Rovers seemed a lifeline to move back to Bristol. In all probability he'd have just as easily gone to FGR, Cheltenham, Newport, Swindon.... even dare I say City.
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Post by bloogas on May 3, 2019 8:34:43 GMT
Coughlan hated in the dressing room, a bully, Tony Craig senior pro kept the side up. Apart from those who joined the club in the window every player wants away in the summer. If you know a player check it out one to one, Then that should please an awful lot of fans who, if you read the forums, rate the current squad as very poor. No width, no pace, Conference or L2 at best, etc etc etc.
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Post by eppinggas on May 3, 2019 9:12:49 GMT
Coughlan deserves a chance to re-build the squad (should he stay). He was asked to keep us up, and he did. I don't know anyone who thinks the 2 1/2 year contract given to him was sane. It smacks of very poor negotiation from our senior management team. I'll back him. But I am concerned that we are really going to struggle to attract the 'right' people - although J CH and Ogogo were definitely good signings. We just need another 4-5 of that calibre and that isn't going to be easy. Failing a decent summer window - it kind of points to an entire season of ugly, defensive, bottom third football. To be fair, as Coughlan said repeatedly, we have to "cut our cloth accordingly". This is pretty obviously a reference to the playing budget. On balance, if he goes to Plymouth... I don't think anyone is going to be distraught. Whether he goes or stays, the fundamental problems the Club has on and off the pitch will remain. UTG.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 3, 2019 9:25:11 GMT
Coughlan hated in the dressing room, a bully, Tony Craig senior pro kept the side up. Apart from those who joined the club in the window every player wants away in the summer. If you know a player check it out one to one, Then that should please an awful lot of fans who, if you read the forums, rate the current squad as very poor. No width, no pace, Conference or L2 at best, etc etc etc. I have no idea if GC is a 'bully' (Are there any real accusations)
If he has ruffled a few feathers, then perhaps that was what was needed. It's not like DC never publicly voiced his concerns on the players at times to get a reaction
If they all want away they have done a reasonable job of going about ther business as we have seen plenty of other sides down tools including previous Rovers ones not too long ago
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Post by Peter Parker on May 3, 2019 9:26:43 GMT
Coughlan deserves a chance to re-build the squad (should he stay). He was asked to keep us up, and he did. I don't know anyone who thinks the 2 1/2 year contract given to him was sane. It smacks of very poor negotiation from our senior management team. I'll back him. But I am concerned that we are really going to struggle to attract the 'right' people - although J CH and Ogogo were definitely good signings. We just need another 4-5 of that calibre and that isn't going to be easy. Failing a decent summer window - it kind of points to an entire season of ugly, defensive, bottom third football. To be fair, as Coughlan said repeatedly, we have to "cut our cloth accordingly". This is pretty obviously a reference to the playing budget. On balance, if he goes to Plymouth... I don't think anyone is going to be distraught. Whether he goes or stays, the fundamental problems the Club has on and off the pitch will remain. UTG. again the 2 1/2 year contract. Does anyone actually know the details other than the immediate people involved?
How do we know there are/were no break clauses/conditions in there in respect of staying up?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:13:51 GMT
Let’s go back to the last knockings of DC’s reign, after all to see how big an achievement Graham has pulled off we need to remember where we were. Shambles doesn’t get close, apart from a manager slagging off the ownership, with some justification, we had a team that didn’t give a s**t that had just rescued what could have been 10 nil home defeat to Doncaster to just 4. We were in free fall 4 points adrift and frankly crap like Payne, Rodman and others shipped in late in the transfer window were taking the piss. Clarke’s philosophy of you respect the shirt and accept whatever we agree to pay you had gone to be replaced by the same mercenary end of career behaviour that has put us on the brink many times in the past. The mentality was stinking the place out. Clarke was responsible for this the buck stopped with him. His problem was always his weakness in dealing with players, his snivelling via various media outlets was pathetic. GC presented a wholly different prospect to those players that considered their agents to be their employers and set about instilling discipline within the ranks of those that rather than respond to management demands preferred to gather in groups referring to their mobile phones. Earn the shirt and you keep it, basic football understanding trying to build a team not a squad that never knew what was coming next, dumping malcontents, expecting effort and rewarding those that responded. He took on a sewer and hasn’t flinched. He had one job, keep us up at all costs, he made it clear from the start we were unlikely to see pretty football, results were all that mattered. I looked at the games we had following the draw at Portsmouth and couldn’t see us getting the required points, everyone else had matched us, half the division was threatened with relegation, there wasn’t a single game that could be considered a guaranteed point let alone three. What this man has done is quite remarkable but it won’t be recognised fully until the dust has settled on this season.
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Post by laughinggas on May 3, 2019 10:18:16 GMT
What do you think he meant by comments on his interview about rewarding the players who protected his back in Jan?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:42:30 GMT
Those that stood with him when others were more interested in what they were being instructed via their mobile phones.
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Post by eastlondongas on May 3, 2019 10:43:57 GMT
I completely agree that GC deserves the chance to rebuild the squad - however I personally think him moving to Plymouth would offer us a better chance at rebuilding under a better L1 tactician.
His style of football (do the basics right) worked great for 10-15 games. It kept us in this division but was certainly worked out come the last 5 games. He’ll go down as a great gas manager for what he has achieved and for the passion he has shown.
I’m not anti-GC by any stretch, but I am concerned about next season. If his style of football doesn’t change I think we’ll be treading water all season and if it goes wrong we’re down. Feels like keeping him onboard is a higher risk than most realise top of mind.
I don’t have an answer for who would be better to take the helm but I certainly am concerned for next season if things don’t change.
Still, all that said, huge thanks to GC - he’s allowed us to even have this conversation.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 3, 2019 10:52:29 GMT
GC presented a wholly different prospect to those players that considered their agents to be their employers and set about instilling discipline within the ranks of those that rather than respond to management demands preferred to gather in groups referring to their mobile phones. Earn the shirt and you keep it, basic football understanding trying to build a team not a squad that never knew what was coming next, dumping malcontents, expecting effort and rewarding those that responded. He took on a sewer and hasn’t flinched. He had one job, keep us up at all costs, he made it clear from the start we were unlikely to see pretty football, results were all that mattered. that's a completely different take on the divided squad/manager as bully perception. And not one that is necessarily wrong interesting also that both DC and GC have made a point in the press (at least until very very recently) about talking about how hard the squad was working and how committed they were
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 11:04:46 GMT
How often did Chris Lines play in a higher league than League One, then, Dr F? Not many, he was injured. He featured well for the Owls when they got promoted though. Anyway, apologies. I have a lot of time for Chris Lines and you don't. That's fair enough. UTG.
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Post by vaughan on May 3, 2019 11:36:11 GMT
I admire the job that GC did, but he was a pragmatist. He won't change next season as the way he plays is a means to an end and he is a winner.
So thanks GC, but for the future, it's probably green and white.
I would bring in Holloway for 1 year to baby-sit a young progressive coach. He is based in Bath and has a wealth of experience.
My preference is Liam Rosenior. He has a bright future, has links locally and is a modern coach. I want to see a much faster form of football and we know that this is what appeals to our crowd. More up and at em.
It does not have to be Holloway and Rosenior. My 2 suggestions only.
As we are never going anywhere higher than L1, we need to think about the product on offer.
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Post by eastlondongas on May 3, 2019 11:49:34 GMT
We’re nowhere ready for the championship. We’d need five years of investment off the pitch minimum to get anywhere near the ‘challenger’ level. We want excitement as you say, I’d be happy with those two at the helm. A return for Ollie will be exciting enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:29:32 GMT
The thought of Ollie has me grimacing.
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Post by eastlondongas on May 3, 2019 12:38:30 GMT
The thought of Ollie has me grimacing. Yes and no. The time certainly wasn’t right before but I don’t know now. I’m far more open to it. When it comes to passion and contacts I don’t see anyone else on the horizon that would match him. Tactically, had a fair amount of championship experience so could gain an advantage there. There’s a large section of our ranks who are saying never ever again though and I do understand the hero to zero worry.,
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