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Post by GasMacc1 on Jan 16, 2019 10:17:06 GMT
Good one epping. Surprised that Accrington are higher than a couple. Before they went out of the league in 60s perhaps they had 3000-4000 at their old Peel Park. Certainly since they came back in haven’t had much more than 3000. UTG! Yes, that must be it. According to footballgroundguide.com, Stanley's average attendances for the last three seasons (all League two, including their promotion season) have been 1979, 1699, 1834.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 16, 2019 11:19:13 GMT
Good one epping. Surprised that Accrington are higher than a couple. Before they went out of the league in 60s perhaps they had 3000-4000 at their old Peel Park. Certainly since they came back in haven’t had much more than 3000. UTG! Yes, that must be it. According to footballgroundguide.com, Stanley's average attendances for the last three seasons (all League two, including their promotion season) have been 1979, 1699, 1834. Checked again and actually came up with a slightly higher figure for Accrington. I thought there was bound to be a few holes in the data / methodology with Clubs in and out of the league and up and down the football pyramid. I deleted 3 years of tier 6 data to obtain an average gate 4,150. 1922-1939 averaged 4,344. 1947-1961 averaged 6,295. 2004-2018 averaged 1,772. I have an excel spreadsheet and I'm not afraid to use it. UTG.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 16, 2019 11:50:50 GMT
A lot of the 'newer' Clubs miss out as they don't get the benefit of the inter-war and (more importantly) immediately post WWII attendance boom. eg. Bristol Rovers 1921-1939 average: 9,063 1947-1967 average: 17,501 1968-2018 average: 7,055
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 17, 2019 12:05:39 GMT
Yes, that must be it. According to footballgroundguide.com, Stanley's average attendances for the last three seasons (all League two, including their promotion season) have been 1979, 1699, 1834. Checked again and actually came up with a slightly higher figure for Accrington. I thought there was bound to be a few holes in the data / methodology with Clubs in and out of the league and up and down the football pyramid. I deleted 3 years of tier 6 data to obtain an average gate 4,150. 1922-1939 averaged 4,344. 1947-1961 averaged 6,295. 2004-2018 averaged 1,772. I have an excel spreadsheet and I'm not afraid to use it. UTG. That Accrington 1947-61 average of 6295 is a gate they would give a lot for now. Although it’s probably impossible because I think their ground has a capacity of around 5000 but I may be wrong. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 17, 2019 12:08:42 GMT
In discussions arising after the match at Accrington, Laughinggas asked for the “twenty clubs we have played the most in league football”. Link to Accrington discussion
Of course, from 1920 to 1959, the third tier was split into North and South divisions, so it’s no surprise that the majority of the opponents are from Rovers’ side of that divide. Walsall, Notts County, Shrewsbury and Port Vale are the only clubs in the top 24 based north of Birmingham. Here’s the list of the top 24. (Source: soccerbase.com). Table: Most frequent league opponents, showing matches played against them.
1 | Southend | 105 | 2 | Brighton | 102 | 3 | Bournemouth | 100 | 4 | Leyton Orient | 100 | 5 | Walsall | 94 | 6 | Gillingham | 93 | 7 | Northampton | 92 | 8 | Swindon | 90 | 9 | Plymouth | 89 | 10 | Watford | 84 | 11 | Notts County | 84 | 12 | Luton | 81 | 13 | Reading | 80 | 14 | Millwall | 80 | 15 | Exeter | 78 | 16 | Brentford | 74 | 17 | Swansea | 72 | 18 | Torquay United | 68 | 19 | Newport | 60 | 20 | Charlton | 59 | 21 | Bristol City (pre-82) | 59 | 22 | QPR | 58 | 23 | Port Vale | 58 | 24 | Shrewsbury | 57 |
Note 1: Naturally, I have kept Rovers record against Bristol City separate from that against BCFC (1982). We have played Bristol City 59 times in the League - the last match being our 1:0 home win on 29th December 1981 - and B*FC (1982) 29 times, the first match being our 2:1 away win on 12 April 1982. Note 2: The records for Newport are the old Newport County. We’ve only played the current outfit four times. Note 3: The table includes Football League matches and the one season in the Conference (i.e. from 1920). It omits games in the Southern League, and any wartime matches. Of those top teams who we’ve played against I suspect it will be a long time until we play against the number 2 or 3 again. Sadly. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:32:17 GMT
In discussions arising after the match at Accrington, Laughinggas asked for the “twenty clubs we have played the most in league football”. Link to Accrington discussion
Of course, from 1920 to 1959, the third tier was split into North and South divisions, so it’s no surprise that the majority of the opponents are from Rovers’ side of that divide. Walsall, Notts County, Shrewsbury and Port Vale are the only clubs in the top 24 based north of Birmingham. Here’s the list of the top 24. (Source: soccerbase.com). Table: Most frequent league opponents, showing matches played against them.
1 | Southend | 105 | 2 | Brighton | 102 | 3 | Bournemouth | 100 | 4 | Leyton Orient | 100 | 5 | Walsall | 94 | 6 | Gillingham | 93 | 7 | Northampton | 92 | 8 | Swindon | 90 | 9 | Plymouth | 89 | 10 | Watford | 84 | 11 | Notts County | 84 | 12 | Luton | 81 | 13 | Reading | 80 | 14 | Millwall | 80 | 15 | Exeter | 78 | 16 | Brentford | 74 | 17 | Swansea | 72 | 18 | Torquay United | 68 | 19 | Newport | 60 | 20 | Charlton | 59 | 21 | Bristol City (pre-82) | 59 | 22 | QPR | 58 | 23 | Port Vale | 58 | 24 | Shrewsbury | 57 |
Note 1: Naturally, I have kept Rovers record against Bristol City separate from that against BCFC (1982). We have played Bristol City 59 times in the League - the last match being our 1:0 home win on 29th December 1981 - and B*FC (1982) 29 times, the first match being our 2:1 away win on 12 April 1982. Note 2: The records for Newport are the old Newport County. We’ve only played the current outfit four times. Note 3: The table includes Football League matches and the one season in the Conference (i.e. from 1920). It omits games in the Southern League, and any wartime matches. Of those top teams who we’ve played against I suspect it will be a long time until we play against the number 2 or 3 again. Sadly. UTG! It could be worse, we could be No 18 on the list. But at least Torquay seem to have stopped the rot, they are having a right scrap with Woking at the top of the National League South.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 17, 2019 14:44:06 GMT
I know that for a number of years it was Leyton Orient who we had played the most but in the last 15-20 years we haven't been in the same league as them very much.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised by the type of teams we've played. I think this would be a nice way to wind City fans up about their big club delusions though. I'm sure there are plenty that would happily 'give it the big one' about all those smaller clubs on our list but I reckon their list would look quite similar to ours.
Accrington have this reputation as a tiny club which is obviously understandable. However, they have a much longer and deeper history than most other clubs of similar stature and they are absolutely part of the football establishment in that bit of Lancashire which was after all the birthplace of professional league football. They do have a pretty loyal and committed, if small and limited, fanbase. Despite the small attendances (it's a very small place!) I would say that Stanley are far more embedded into the culture of the town and have much more of a noticeable support than say Morecambe, Barnet, Fleetwood, Crawley etc. Last time I went to watch Rovers at Morecambe I had a drink beforehand in their social club while an early Man City kick off was showing. All very nice (they have a decent ground set-up) but whereas I went to take my place on the terraces with 10 minutes to go before we kicked off there was a noticeable surge in Morecambe fans entering the ground at 3.15 after the Premier game had finished. That sort of thing doesn't seem to happen at Accy.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 17, 2019 15:00:01 GMT
We last won there about 10 years ago. Saying that, we don't lose often at Roots Hall these days, we just draw. Hi Dr F, yes it was about 10 / 11 years ago, in fact the last time Rovers won away to Southend was 0-1 on new years day 2008 in league 1.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 17, 2019 18:34:22 GMT
OK - Trivia question... which five Clubs have the biggest average home league attendances but have NEVER played in the top flight? Those giants of Accrington, Grimsby, Northampton and Carlisle have all made it to the promised land. But who hasn't? Attendances: 1. 12,249 2. 9,686 3. 8,218 4. 7,700 5. 7,385
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 18:59:06 GMT
Plymouth Gas Franchise Port Vale Bury.
At a guess...
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 17, 2019 20:34:51 GMT
Plymouth Gas Franchise Port Vale Bury. At a guess... Spot on Doctor!
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 17, 2019 20:41:46 GMT
** Stop Press** 2nd on the list should be the sh*t with 11,579. Their average gate since they were established in 1982.
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Post by jets4 on Jan 17, 2019 21:52:18 GMT
Bury have been in the top flight, they were relegated in 1928/29.
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Post by Rex on Jan 18, 2019 8:40:59 GMT
Cup? Edit: or maybe the Rain Game.
Abandoned games not included in any records Who remembers that monsoon game against Oxford at Eastville when were winning 1-0 and pitch was unplayable and that Hartlepool match started and ice skating commenced and ref puled the players off in the last Century I will try and refrain from making the obvious smutty remark Yes I remember that Oxford game, I can't remember the replayed game though, did we win? I am going to the Wales v England 6 nations game with one of the linesman from the Hartlepool match, I will pass on any comments
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 18, 2019 9:22:48 GMT
Abandoned games not included in any records Who remembers that monsoon game against Oxford at Eastville when were winning 1-0 and pitch was unplayable and that Hartlepool match started and ice skating commenced and ref puled the players off in the last Century I will try and refrain from making the obvious smutty remark Yes I remember that Oxford game, I can't remember the replayed game though, did we win? I am going to the Wales v England 6 nations game with one of the linesman from the Hartlepool match, I will pass on any comments MATCHES ABANDONED
26.11.21 Reading 1 Rovers 3 abandoned, 52 mins, fog 07.12.29 Rovers 0 Bournemouth 1 abandoned, 45 mins, waterlogged 17.02.51 Rovers 2 Norwich C 1 abandoned, 60 mins, waterlogged 26.12.62 Reading 1 Rovers 0 abandoned, 60 mins, frost 09.03.82 Rovers 1 Oxford U 1 abandoned, 64 mins, waterlogged 30.11.85 Chesterfield 1 Rovers 1 abandoned, 45 mins, fog 15.12.01 Rovers 0 Hartlepool U 0 abandoned, 12 mins, frost
15 May 1982 beat Oxford 1 0 Penny
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 18, 2019 9:32:01 GMT
Bury have been in the top flight, they were relegated in 1928/29. Damn! Good spot. So... the 'biggest' Clubs (by average league gate since 1921) never to have played in the top flight are (ignoring the sh*t, est. 1982): 1. Plymouth 12,249 2. Gas 9,686 3. Franchise 8,218 4. Port Vale 7,700 5. Rotherham 7,373
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 9:34:55 GMT
What's the smallest town to play top flight football in England?
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 18, 2019 9:40:45 GMT
What's the smallest town to play top flight football in England? Given current population... I would guess Darwen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 9:42:34 GMT
What's the smallest town to play top flight football in England? Given current population... I would guess Darwen. Alas no, right idea though.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 18, 2019 12:31:19 GMT
Given current population... I would guess Darwen. Alas no, right idea though. It must be Glossop.
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