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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 10:44:39 GMT
I think we can assume that they need to look again at their constitution Harry, check 2.8, in fact, I'll save you the trouble, How long ago did they sell that, well over 2 years now isn't it? Those funds are in their reserves for use by BRSC members use at the new Stadium so I was told recently by Jim. Are you attending their AGM to discuss changes to the constitution ? The fact that the constitution hasn't been updated speaks to their incompetence. I suspect that nobody has even thought to check. I want no part of it. You are a special case Harry, you seriously think that a SC capable of selling 199 without consulting its membership would care what members thought about how the proceeds were used?
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2018 10:57:31 GMT
I think we can assume that they need to look again at their constitution Harry, check 2.8, in fact, I'll save you the trouble, How long ago did they sell that, well over 2 years now isn't it? Those funds are in their reserves for use by BRSC members use at the new Stadium so I was told recently by Jim. Are you attending their AGM to discuss changes to the constitution ? Genuine question in sort of relation.
Never really thought about it before but how does the SC (Which is completely separate from the FC) how have/has a bar at Them Mem for which they presumably pay nothing towards and take nothing from?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 14:15:41 GMT
surely the bar is run by volunteers and any profits from said bar go to the football club so theoretically the sc is paying for its use. what does amuse me is that most if not all of the criticism of the sc comes from those who are not members so in all honesty if we members vote to maintain the status quo that is our decision and the only way non members can change it is to join
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 14:58:57 GMT
surely the bar is run by volunteers and any profits from said bar go to the football club so theoretically the sc is paying for its use. what does amuse me is that most if not all of the criticism of the sc comes from those who are not members so in all honesty if we members vote to maintain the status quo that is our decision and the only way non members can change it is to join What about us members who still haven't received this year's membership card and never get any communication?
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 21, 2018 15:20:39 GMT
surely the bar is run by volunteers and any profits from said bar go to the football club so theoretically the sc is paying for its use. what does amuse me is that most if not all of the criticism of the sc comes from those who are not members so in all honesty if we members vote to maintain the status quo that is our decision and the only way non members can change it is to join What about us members who still haven't received this year's membership card and never get any communication? Had my membership card in early August before season started have you told them of your change of address to Southmead Hospital ?
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 21, 2018 15:24:13 GMT
Those funds are in their reserves for use by BRSC members use at the new Stadium so I was told recently by Jim. Are you attending their AGM to discuss changes to the constitution ? The fact that the constitution hasn't been updated speaks to their incompetence. I suspect that nobody has even thought to check. I want no part of it. You are a special case Harry, you seriously think that a SC capable of selling 199 without consulting its membership would care what members thought about how the proceeds were used? if I remember rightly the proceeds of the sale of 199 was discussed at the AGM so members were consulted. Some said give funds to DC for players which personally I was opposed to as I feel some facility for BRSC members should be at our new stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 15:28:45 GMT
What about us members who still haven't received this year's membership card and never get any communication? Had my membership card in early August before season started have you told them of your change of address to Southmead Hospital ? Ah, no. That'll be it then.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2018 15:31:27 GMT
The fact that the constitution hasn't been updated speaks to their incompetence. I suspect that nobody has even thought to check. I want no part of it. You are a special case Harry, you seriously think that a SC capable of selling 199 without consulting its membership would care what members thought about how the proceeds were used? if I remember rightly the proceeds of the sale of 199 was discussed at the AGM so members were consulted. Some said give funds to DC for players which personally I was opposed to as I feel some facility for BRSC members should be at our new stadium. That raises a couple of points. what is the total of the membership and how many attended the AGM?
secondly (and in reference to my question above) If the new stadium is paid for my new owners or financed, who is to say they would want a BRSC facility in the new stadium?
as I say genuine question, but what about the BRSC bar at The Mem is anything to do with BRSC. How, what, where did it come about from?
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 21, 2018 15:40:30 GMT
if I remember rightly the proceeds of the sale of 199 was discussed at the AGM so members were consulted. Some said give funds to DC for players which personally I was opposed to as I feel some facility for BRSC members should be at our new stadium. That raises a couple of points. what is the total of the membership and how many attended the AGM?
secondly (and in reference to my question above) If the new stadium is paid for my new owners or financed, who is to say they would want a BRSC facility in the new stadium?
as I say genuine question, but what about the BRSC bar at The Mem is anything to do with BRSC. How, what, where did it come about from?
Membership is 1500ish about 100 ish attended the AGM. We were even treated to tea/coffee and chocolate biscuits.
There has always been a BRSC bar at the Mem for decades. A facility for its members and a place to keep the riff raff out. The BRSC has been around since 1947 and believe you me the BRFC needs its financial support despite the old/current or potential new owners.
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Post by Angas on Sept 21, 2018 15:49:54 GMT
surely the bar is run by volunteers and any profits from said bar go to the football club so theoretically the sc is paying for its use. what does amuse me is that most if not all of the criticism of the sc comes from those who are not members so in all honesty if we members vote to maintain the status quo that is our decision and the only way non members can change it is to joinThis has been done so many times. I don't know why I bother repeating myself, but hey ho ... most if not all of those who criticise have been there, tried that and realised they were banging their heads against a brick wall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 16:07:48 GMT
That raises a couple of points. what is the total of the membership and how many attended the AGM?
secondly (and in reference to my question above) If the new stadium is paid for my new owners or financed, who is to say they would want a BRSC facility in the new stadium?
as I say genuine question, but what about the BRSC bar at The Mem is anything to do with BRSC. How, what, where did it come about from?
Membership is 1500ish about 100 ish attended the AGM. We were even treated to tea/coffee and chocolate biscuits.
There has always been a BRSC bar at the Mem for decades. A facility for its members and a place to keep the riff raff out. The BRSC has been around since 1947 and believe you me the BRFC needs its financial support despite the old/current or potential new owners.
The main point is that 199 should not have been sold without balloting every single member, past and present, that contact details were held for. It's to Jim's eternal shame that he oversaw that happening. If the SC ceased all of its activities today, the FC would get someone to sell programmes, organise away travel and sell half time draw tickets. I'm being totally serious when I say that I'm not sure what the function of the SC is any more. How would you define 'riff raff' exactly?
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2018 16:50:54 GMT
That raises a couple of points. what is the total of the membership and how many attended the AGM?
secondly (and in reference to my question above) If the new stadium is paid for my new owners or financed, who is to say they would want a BRSC facility in the new stadium?
as I say genuine question, but what about the BRSC bar at The Mem is anything to do with BRSC. How, what, where did it come about from?
Membership is 1500ish about 100 ish attended the AGM. We were even treated to tea/coffee and chocolate biscuits.
There has always been a BRSC bar at the Mem for decades. A facility for its members and a place to keep the riff raff out. The BRSC has been around since 1947 and believe you me the BRFC needs its financial support despite the old/current or potential new owners.
Yes its always been there, but that was kind of my question, how and why did it come about? Was it some sort of 'thank you'? Again whether BRSC is needed or not, doesnt mean whomever builds or owns the stadium woulD want BRSC to have a BRSC facilit be it a bar, shop or whatever in the stadium
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 16:52:31 GMT
surely the bar is run by volunteers and any profits from said bar go to the football club so theoretically the sc is paying for its use. what does amuse me is that most if not all of the criticism of the sc comes from those who are not members so in all honesty if we members vote to maintain the status quo that is our decision and the only way non members can change it is to joinThis has been done so many times. I don't know why I bother repeating myself, but hey ho ... most if not all of those who criticise have been there, tried that and realised they were banging their heads against a brick wall. Fair comment but maybe the membership didn't agree with what you wanted. I presume you put your ideas forward to the AGM and they were voted upon
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Post by Angas on Sept 21, 2018 17:12:49 GMT
This has been done so many times. I don't know why I bother repeating myself, but hey ho ... most if not all of those who criticise have been there, tried that and realised they were banging their heads against a brick wall. Fair comment but maybe the membership didn't agree with what you wanted. I presume you put your ideas forward to the AGM and they were voted upon Not me personally, I merely supported others who did. Back then the vast majority of the membership didn't attend AGMs, therefore were unable to take part in the voting procedure. (The introduction of postal voting may have increased the vote count these days, though I somehow doubt it has had a great impact.) If members don't vote then there's no way of knowing whether they agree or disagree with proposals put forward. My suspicion is that the majority have no interest in constitutional matters which leaves the small minority to agree or disagree with the executive committee. And we all know how that generally goes ...
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 21, 2018 17:57:15 GMT
Membership is 1500ish about 100 ish attended the AGM. We were even treated to tea/coffee and chocolate biscuits.
There has always been a BRSC bar at the Mem for decades. A facility for its members and a place to keep the riff raff out. The BRSC has been around since 1947 and believe you me the BRFC needs its financial support despite the old/current or potential new owners.
The main point is that 199 should not have been sold without balloting every single member, past and present, that contact details were held for. It's to Jim's eternal shame that he oversaw that happening. If the SC ceased all of its activities today, the FC would get someone to sell programmes, organise away travel and sell half time draw tickets. I'm being totally serious when I say that I'm not sure what the function of the SC is any more. How would you define 'riff raff' exactly? The selling of 199 which had major maintenance issues was becoming a drain on BRSC funds so a good commercial decision to sell it and then rent back part of the building to the BRSC. Then market forces and lack of customers meant the decision had to be made to close the shop as sales and ticket sales had dwindled due to fans using the internet to buy tickets and away travel. The committee made a decision which was in the interest of the club. The riff raff comment was a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 18:50:13 GMT
Fair comment but maybe the membership didn't agree with what you wanted. I presume you put your ideas forward to the AGM and they were voted upon Not me personally, I merely supported others who did. Back then the vast majority of the membership didn't attend AGMs, therefore were unable to take part in the voting procedure. (The introduction of postal voting may have increased the vote count these days, though I somehow doubt it has had a great impact.) If members don't vote then there's no way of knowing whether they agree or disagree with proposals put forward. My suspicion is that the majority have no interest in constitutional matters which leaves the small minority to agree or disagree with the executive committee. And we all know how that generally goes ... There is your problem if you cannot get the rank and file to support your ideas and turn up and vote you cannot effect change.maybe your problem was lack of exposure of yours and Simon Phillips et. al. Plans to change things to the members rather than apathy on their behalf therefor you had little or no chance of success. Sitting in a pub or a room of like minded people putting ideas forwand are all very well but unless you get those ideas out in the wide world you will never get them adopted. People need a reason to turn up on a cold wet windy night to vote against the sitting committee so perhaps it wasn't banging your head against a brick wall but more you and your like minded people's failure to get their plans over to the rank and file membership so perhaps you were just as guilty as those you tried to oust. Back then I was far too busy to get involved in the sc activities so was not aware of what was going on nor did I have a clue as to your ideas and thereby issue what probably happened with others
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Post by Angas on Sept 21, 2018 20:48:05 GMT
The rank and file simply aren't interested though, are they. The majority probably join the SC for the benefits it might offer - coach travel to away games and/or priority for match tickets on the rare occasion it comes in useful. The SC and its workings really isn't at the forefront of anyone's mind. It's just there, in the background, doing something or the other. What and why aren't of any real interest.
If you asked, I believe most would assume it was a club for supporters. Would they be concerned to find out it isn't? Probably not.
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Post by MisterSitter on Sept 22, 2018 0:52:40 GMT
The SC used to be a club for supporters but since the share scheme fraud, Dunford and the shenanigans of 2006, the Cheltenham debacle, the relegations, Higgs and the ongoing stadium fiasco(s) it has become clear that the Supporters Club isn't a club that looks out for the interests of supporters, it's simply a club of support that funnels its members' money unconditionally into the bottomless pit that is the mis-managed BRFC of today.
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Post by Angas on Sept 22, 2018 9:54:12 GMT
Looking at it from another angle, I actually think it's quite sad that the SC isn't greatly embraced by the support base. It must be hard running a society which people aren't particularly interested in. I'd find that quite soul destroying and I think I'd be putting in some effort to change the perception and appeal of said society. Maybe the committee feel they've tried that and failed, so given it up as a bad job and decided to concentrate on what they can achieve as they are. Or maybe they need to have a re-think. After all, more funds and more involvement from the fan base would surely benefit the FC in the long run. Plus, the existing committee members won't be around forever yet when I look back at AGM minutes no-one else seems to be putting themselves forward these days. That has to be a concern in terms of the future.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 22, 2018 9:57:07 GMT
Looking at it from another angle, I actually think it's quite sad that the SC isn't greatly embraced by the support base. It must be hard running a society which people aren't particularly interested in. I'd find that quite soul destroying and I think I'd be putting in some effort to change the perception and appeal of said society. Maybe the committee feel they've tried that and failed, so given it up as a bad job and decided to concentrate on what they can achieve as they are. Or maybe they need to have a re-think. After all, more funds and more involvement from the fan base would surely benefit the FC in the long run. Plus, the existing committee members won't be around forever yet when I look back at AGM minutes no-one else seems to be putting themselves forward these days. That has to be a concern in terms of the future. Indeed we are talking the same faces. I am sure Jim would probably happily stand down if he could pass it on to someone else. It can go on as is for ever, so surely, ultimately its down to the SC to engage the fan base
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