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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:10:38 GMT
Let's have a look at some of the marquee sales and their replacements: Paul Randall. Replaced internally by Steve White. With hindsight you might say Steve White was the better player Gary Mabbutt. Replaced by the magic wildcard signing of Timmy Parkin, who I would say is one of our best servants at centre back *ever* Gary Penrice. Another wildcard signing, Carl (Billy Ocean Saunders), took us up! Marcus Stewart, Gareth Taylor. Stewart and Taylor werer replaced by some astute non-league sugnings by Ollie and Penny. They signed Barry Hayles and Steve Foster and brought in Peter Beadle and Jamie Cureton Barry Hayles. You have to say that Barry was effectively replaced by the Cureton/Roberts partnership. Jamie Cureton, Jason Roberts. replaced by Mickey Evans, a wheezing shell of the player he once was. Nathan Ellington. Last of the great striker line, never replaced... Rickie Lambert replaced Richard Walker who replaced Junior Agogo who belatedly replaced Ellington. All great, in their way. lambert and walker had a good and long partnership, jesus how good were those 2 !
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 5, 2018 6:52:56 GMT
The pittance is what we acquired them for. And both could have gone for nothing a few months later. So, good business all round. I disagree. We received pathetic fees for both players relative to their ability and performances for us. Our management of their contracts has been poor, in my opinion. The management of contracts is off topic to the o p. Whilst the general consensus is probably leaning towards we should have got more, the inflated value of bodin appears to be somewhere in region of +500,000%. That is greatly inflated, but I accept it might not be as great as you would like it. I'm not saying anything we don't know already, but by dishing out short term contracts, it is good for offloading and geared to clubs' interest. The downside is, it gives players more freedom for their lack of security. No party can have everything their own way. Dc has made money from a sows ear to speak. He's an alchemist. Without him and management team, coaching staff and everyone in background, we would have much less than whatever % we've received already, and that deserves credit imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 8:15:57 GMT
I disagree. We received pathetic fees for both players relative to their ability and performances for us. Our management of their contracts has been poor, in my opinion. The management of contracts is off topic to the o p. Whilst the general consensus is probably leaning towards we should have got more, the inflated value of bodin appears to be somewhere in region of +500,000%. That is greatly inflated, but I accept it might not be as great as you would like it. I'm not saying anything we don't know already, but by dishing out short term contracts, it is good for offloading and geared to clubs' interest. The downside is, it gives players more freedom for their lack of security. No party can have everything their own way. Dc has made money from a sows ear to speak. He's an alchemist. Without him and management team, coaching staff and everyone in background, we would have much less than whatever % we've received already, and that deserves credit imo. In terms of what he's got them doing on the pitch, he has excelled and deserves credit. In terms of fees received, he and the club should have done better.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 5, 2018 9:04:47 GMT
Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay. If there is a bidding war then you can let it take it's course. If not you have to have a value in mind. If it's not reached you walk away or not. Maybe a game of chicken is involved. Was obvious BB wanted away, do you keep him not knowing how he may perform last couple of months or say thats good value.
As we don't know what the fee is how can we say the club should have done better?
If the best offer last summer was 500,000 then if we got that now sounds good deal?
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Post by simon1883 on Jan 7, 2018 12:38:43 GMT
Ok, Bodin goes. So did 🐍. So might some more. But when was the last time we had manager whom brought players on, or through youth, or here for free and through development, gave them a much inflated value? Isn't it what Rovers historically have been good at? There has to be great credit given to management team and the coaching staff for their hard work so far.. Much inflated value? They've both gone for pittances! Granted the Snake went for pennies (his choice not ours) and do we really know what BBB went for?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:30:26 GMT
Much inflated value? They've both gone for pittances! Granted the Snake went for pennies (his choice not ours) and do we really know what BBB went for? We know it was less than he was worth.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 7, 2018 14:12:47 GMT
Granted the Snake went for pennies (his choice not ours) and do we really know what BBB went for? We know it was less than he was worth. it was more than it would have been in 5 months time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 14:24:44 GMT
We know it was less than he was worth. it was more than it would have been in 5 months time. Great.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Jan 7, 2018 14:40:49 GMT
Granted the Snake went for pennies (his choice not ours) and do we really know what BBB went for? We know it was less than he was worth. I would define worth as what someone is willing to pay for that commodity!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 15:15:39 GMT
We know it was less than he was worth. I would define worth as what someone is willing to pay for that commodity! Fair enough. I think we f**ked up on his contract situation and therefore left someone only willing to pay a third or so of what they should have had to pay for him.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Jan 7, 2018 15:25:24 GMT
I would define worth as what someone is willing to pay for that commodity! Fair enough. I think we fed up on his contract situation and therefore left someone only willing to pay a third or so of what they should have had to pay for him. I think Bosman messed it up, if a player has only 5 months left on his contract, the buying club are in a very strong position.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 16:27:19 GMT
Fair enough. I think we fed up on his contract situation and therefore left someone only willing to pay a third or so of what they should have had to pay for him. I think Bosman messed it up, if a player has only 5 months left on his contract, the buying club are in a very strong position. I don't disagree with that at all, and I think we got all we could in the circumstances. I just don't see it as the positive the OP does, we've sold probably £3m worth (based on goals and ability) of players for under £1m.
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Post by dido on Jan 8, 2018 14:08:56 GMT
As opposed to giving them away 5 months later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 14:17:53 GMT
As opposed to giving them away 5 months later. Yep.
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Post by trunky on Jan 8, 2018 14:23:09 GMT
I disagree. We received pathetic fees for both players relative to their ability and performances for us. Our management of their contracts has been poor, in my opinion. Since I started watching in 2000ish I think these are the players that have moved on for money: Roberts - 2m Cureton - 250k Tilson - 25k Ellington - 1.2m Agogo - 300k Lambert - 1m Hoskins - 500k Lines - 50k Carayol - 300k s***head Snake - 300k I'd say Roberts looks about par for the market at the time and Hoskins looks like an excellent deal in hindsight as he barely played a game afterwards. I know there were circumstances between every single one of those transfers but I'd say those two aside our player was massively undervalued.
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Post by trunky on Jan 8, 2018 14:26:56 GMT
Yes add on Hayles and Zamora for over £2 million and two very lucrative cup runs.Can anybody remind me what our record transfer fee is.
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Post by bs5 on Jan 8, 2018 15:46:27 GMT
Ye, it certainly done us well over the years. If you can think of a club with our supporter base that hasn't been in the top flight, let me know about it. Same old, same old. Plymouth Argyle, Peterborough United, Doncaster Rovers, Gillingham, Rotherham United, etc etc Other than perhaps Plymouth the rest don’t come anywhere near Rovers in regards to support base but Rovers have the potential to be larger than all of these n regards to potential support.
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Post by bs5 on Jan 8, 2018 15:49:20 GMT
Much inflated value? They've both gone for pittances! Granted the Snake went for pennies (his choice not ours) and do we really know what BBB went for? £400k according to Preston fans
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 8, 2018 16:44:44 GMT
You forgot Zamora at £150k (he fell out with Holloway, as did Cureton) and the other not on the list is Hayles who went to Fulham for 2 mill We got a lot more than that with add-ons
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 16:56:27 GMT
Plymouth Argyle, Peterborough United, Doncaster Rovers, Gillingham, Rotherham United, etc etc Other than perhaps Plymouth the rest don’t come anywhere near Rovers in regards to support base but Rovers have the potential to be larger than all of these n regards to potential support. Plymouth have the potential to be big, one team city and drawing support from Devon,bits of Somerset and Cornwall a big catchment area.
Rovers are second club in a two club city,apart from the early 70s league cup games at Eastville and the cup games against Southampton and Ipswich crowds have never been big since I started going (67) even the promotion season under Megson the average attendance was only 13,000 ? Rovers had the lowest home crowds in the 2nd division (Championship) in the mid/late 70s. OK Bristol has a bigger population now but a lot of the growth is students who have settled here after being at Uni here or foreign immigrants Somalis,Polish,Chinese etc etc who have either no interest in attending matches or no interest in football outside the Premiership.
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