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Post by Dr John Dee on Jan 4, 2018 20:47:42 GMT
Let's have a look at some of the marquee sales and their replacements:
Paul Randall. Replaced internally by Steve White. With hindsight you might say Steve White was the better player Gary Mabbutt. Replaced by the magic wildcard signing of Timmy Parkin, who I would say is one of our best servants at centre back *ever* Gary Penrice. Another wildcard signing, Carl (Billy Ocean Saunders), took us up! Marcus Stewart, Gareth Taylor. Stewart and Taylor werer replaced by some astute non-league sugnings by Ollie and Penny. They signed Barry Hayles and Steve Foster and brought in Peter Beadle and Jamie Cureton Barry Hayles. You have to say that Barry was effectively replaced by the Cureton/Roberts partnership. Jamie Cureton, Jason Roberts. replaced by Mickey Evans, a wheezing shell of the player he once was. Nathan Ellington. Last of the great striker line, never replaced...
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 4, 2018 21:27:05 GMT
Ok, Bodin goes. So did 🐍. So might some more. But when was the last time we had manager whom brought players on, or through youth, or here for free and through development, gave them a much inflated value? Isn't it what Rovers historically have been good at? There has to be great credit given to management team and the coaching staff for their hard work so far.. Much inflated value? They've both gone for pittances! The pittance is what we acquired them for. And both could have gone for nothing a few months later. So, good business all round.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 21:42:47 GMT
Much inflated value? They've both gone for pittances! The pittance is what we acquired them for. And both could have gone for nothing a few months later. So, good business all round. I disagree. We received pathetic fees for both players relative to their ability and performances for us. Our management of their contracts has been poor, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 21:44:14 GMT
Let's have a look at some of the marquee sales and their replacements: Paul Randall. Replaced internally by Steve White. With hindsight you might say Steve White was the better player Gary Mabbutt. Replaced by the magic wildcard signing of Timmy Parkin, who I would say is one of our best servants at centre back *ever* Gary Penrice. Another wildcard signing, Carl (Billy Ocean Saunders), took us up! Marcus Stewart, Gareth Taylor. Stewart and Taylor werer replaced by some astute non-league sugnings by Ollie and Penny. They signed Barry Hayles and Steve Foster and brought in Peter Beadle and Jamie Cureton Barry Hayles. You have to say that Barry was effectively replaced by the Cureton/Roberts partnership. Jamie Cureton, Jason Roberts. replaced by Mickey Evans, a wheezing shell of the player he once was. Nathan Ellington. Last of the great striker line, never replaced... Rickie Lambert replaced Richard Walker who replaced Junior Agogo who belatedly replaced Ellington. All great, in their way.
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Post by LPGas on Jan 4, 2018 22:04:12 GMT
Yes we have always sold our best players, and that is why we have remained a small provincial club that has little history and little success. If you are happy with that then keep on clapping
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 4, 2018 22:12:59 GMT
Yes we have always sold our best players, and that is why we have remained a small provincial club that has little history and little success. If you are happy with that then keep on clapping Name a club that has not sold best player at some point?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 4, 2018 22:14:07 GMT
Yes we have always sold our best players, and that is why we have remained a small provincial club that has little history and little success. If you are happy with that then keep on clapping When the alternative is probable bankruptcy then I’ll accept that scenario.
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Post by LPGas on Jan 4, 2018 22:18:41 GMT
Yes we have always sold our best players, and that is why we have remained a small provincial club that has little history and little success. If you are happy with that then keep on clapping Name a club that has not sold best player at some point? I'm not interested in other clubs or their historys. Saying this is the way Rovers have always done it is the same mentality that keeps us in the lower leagues, and given that we now have wealthy owners one of them writes in a magazine that we could be a Premier Club, then why does it have to be so. Wael came and we though we would change. Reality is we wont until we have a new ground, and an owner who has short pockets. Then we can get rid of ALWAYS selling our best players. If you want to scratch around in the lower leagues forever good for you
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Post by kwoodgas on Jan 4, 2018 22:21:21 GMT
The pittance is what we acquired them for. And both could have gone for nothing a few months later. So, good business all round. I disagree. We received pathetic fees for both players relative to their ability and performances for us. Our management of their contracts has been poor, in my opinion. Since I started watching in 2000ish I think these are the players that have moved on for money: Roberts - 2m Cureton - 250k Tilson - 25k Ellington - 1.2m Agogo - 300k Lambert - 1m Hoskins - 500k Lines - 50k Carayol - 300k s**thead Snake - 300k I'd say Roberts looks about par for the market at the time and Hoskins looks like an excellent deal in hindsight as he barely played a game afterwards. I know there were circumstances between every single one of those transfers but I'd say those two aside our player was massively undervalued.
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Post by LPGas on Jan 4, 2018 22:45:29 GMT
You forgot Zamora at £150k (he fell out with Holloway, as did Cureton) and the other not on the list is Hayles who went to Fulham for 2 mill
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 22:52:19 GMT
Let's have a look at some of the marquee sales and their replacements: Paul Randall. Replaced internally by Steve White. With hindsight you might say Steve White was the better player Gary Mabbutt. Replaced by the magic wildcard signing of Timmy Parkin, who I would say is one of our best servants at centre back *ever* Gary Penrice. Another wildcard signing, Carl (Billy Ocean Saunders), took us up! Marcus Stewart, Gareth Taylor. Stewart and Taylor werer replaced by some astute non-league sugnings by Ollie and Penny. They signed Barry Hayles and Steve Foster and brought in Peter Beadle and Jamie Cureton Barry Hayles. You have to say that Barry was effectively replaced by the Cureton/Roberts partnership. Jamie Cureton, Jason Roberts. replaced by Mickey Evans, a wheezing shell of the player he once was. Nathan Ellington. Last of the great striker line, never replaced... Rickie Lambert replaced Richard Walker who replaced Junior Agogo who belatedly replaced Ellington. All great, in their way. Walker and Agogo were in Atkins squad. Lambert was brought in after Agogo went to Forest.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 4, 2018 22:56:20 GMT
Who else in those early years (Before Graydon to Villa) Was Larry Lloyd before Graydon ? Lloyd went in Summer 1969 and then Fred Ford went and Bill Dodgin took over I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 22:57:57 GMT
Rickie Lambert replaced Richard Walker who replaced Junior Agogo who belatedly replaced Ellington. All great, in their way. Walker and Agogo were in Atkins squad. Lambert was brought in after Agogo went to Forest. Not read the whole thread, so may be missing something, but Lambert was here at the same time as Walker, they played together in the play off final against Shrews at Wemberley.
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Post by kwoodgas on Jan 4, 2018 22:58:09 GMT
You forgot Zamora at £150k (he fell out with Holloway, as did Cureton) and the other not on the list is Hayles who went to Fulham for 2 mill Knew I'd forget one and in hindsight Zamora was probably the worst deal of the lot! Hayles was a tad before my time, but the price for him seems about right for the market at the time.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 4, 2018 23:00:41 GMT
Let's have a look at some of the marquee sales and their replacements: Paul Randall. Replaced internally by Steve White. With hindsight you might say Steve White was the better player Gary Mabbutt. Replaced by the magic wildcard signing of Timmy Parkin, who I would say is one of our best servants at centre back *ever* Gary Penrice. Another wildcard signing, Carl (Billy Ocean Saunders), took us up! Marcus Stewart, Gareth Taylor. Stewart and Taylor werer replaced by some astute non-league sugnings by Ollie and Penny. They signed Barry Hayles and Steve Foster and brought in Peter Beadle and Jamie Cureton Barry Hayles. You have to say that Barry was effectively replaced by the Cureton/Roberts partnership. Jamie Cureton, Jason Roberts. replaced by Mickey Evans, a wheezing shell of the player he once was. Nathan Ellington. Last of the great striker line, never replaced... We had some great strikers didn’t we? Blimey, if I knew then what I know now after Ellington was never replaced I might have gone to sleep for 13/14 years and woken up in 2015. Just shows how awful that period was. I suppose only Ricky L who was great was the exception and Hoskins going to Brighton might have been half decent but as you say nothing else. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:05:10 GMT
You forgot Zamora at £150k (he fell out with Holloway, as did Cureton) and the other not on the list is Hayles who went to Fulham for 2 mill Knew I'd forget one and in hindsight Zamora was probably the worst deal of the lot! Hayles was a tad before my time, but the price for him seems about right for the market at the time. What many don’t realise that despite the apparent low early fee for Zamora he brought in closer to £1m with the add ons triggered with subsequent moves. At the time those add ons bailed the club out during dire finacial times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:19:17 GMT
Rickie Lambert replaced Richard Walker who replaced Junior Agogo who belatedly replaced Ellington. All great, in their way. Walker and Agogo were in Atkins squad. Lambert was brought in after Agogo went to Forest. I know. Dramatic licence, I was extending the line of great strikers rather than direct squad replacements (as was John Dee, given the chronology of the 90s strikers above...)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:20:43 GMT
Walker and Agogo were in Atkins squad. Lambert was brought in after Agogo went to Forest. Not read the whole thread, so may be missing something, but Lambert was here at the same time as Walker, they played together in the play off final against Shrews at Wemberley. I'm appalled you think I didn't know that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:30:05 GMT
Every clubs a selling club except real madrid imo. The sad thing for me is modest clubs like preston,barnsley and bristol city can buy our best players. Lots of clubs of no great stature have left us behind since 1999-2000 season both on and off the field and even our amazing return to league 1 cant hide that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:50:17 GMT
Not read the whole thread, so may be missing something, but Lambert was here at the same time as Walker, they played together in the play off final against Shrews at Wemberley. I'm appalled you think I didn't know that. one; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54329538"></iframe> <iframe width="19.100000000000023" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 19.1px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 895px; top: -218px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_20788231"></iframe> <iframe width="19.100000000000023" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 19.1px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -16px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_76806069"></iframe> <iframe width="19.100000000000023" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 19.1px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 895px; top: -16px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35047278"></iframe> Have been writing a thesis on the Dunning-Kruger effect, no longer totally confident as to whether I should comment on anything.
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