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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 30, 2017 12:56:02 GMT
Whatever you think about the content, his responsiveness has been greatly appreciated in 2017 and is beyond exemplary. I don't reveal everything that has been said, but happy to share the headlines. Peter Parker will have a wry smile and justified. Can you say why you won’t reveal everything he said? If he was happy to Tell you (and I assume he doesn’t know you), why won’t you share it? Both DS and Rovers fans need a person that can rell each other everything is ok without having to share confidential information.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 30, 2017 13:04:24 GMT
Can you say why you won’t reveal everything he said? If he was happy to Tell you (and I assume he doesn’t know you), why won’t you share it? Both DS and Rovers fans need a person that can rell each other everything is ok without having to share confidential information. Not sure what DS stands for. So is Vaughan the “go to person” to say everything is ok?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 13:28:33 GMT
Both DS and Rovers fans need a person that can rell each other everything is ok without having to share confidential information. Not sure what DS stands for. So is Vaughan the “go to person” to say everything is ok? Dwayne Sports.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 30, 2017 13:30:11 GMT
Not sure what DS stands for. So is Vaughan the “go to person” to say everything is ok? Dwayne Sports. Thanks
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Post by vaughan on Dec 30, 2017 14:30:15 GMT
One F in Dunford
It's called respect, not secrecy. I have distilled the headlines that are pertinent.
As I said, if you have concerns, please e-mail the Chairman yourself, instead of sarcasm to the messenger. He will reply to you, but then you will probably argue, what's the point.
And therein lies....
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 30, 2017 14:39:17 GMT
Both DS and Rovers fans need a person that can rell each other everything is ok without having to share confidential information. Not sure what DS stands for. So is Vaughan the “go to person” to say everything is ok? I have no idea who Vaughan is. But if the ALQs have confidential information which can’t be released in the public domain yet they know they want to keep the supporters informed and assured along the way. There is a need for a go-between and spokesperson. Almost like a union rep on the board of a company.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 14:40:26 GMT
Again, with all due respect Vaughan, you are, in my opinion, missing the point.
You've come up with an idea that you say you are willing to put into action, but have backed down at the first obstacle. Indeed, one which may have been placed to see if you are serious or not.
If you actually did what you said and put this thing together there would be consequences. Either Hamer would get barged aside and you would suddenly have Hani's ear. The owners would be forced in to action and we may still get UWE or a new / redeveloped ground, or at the very least the owners would be rejecting a real offer of investment, that would leave them with some explaining to do to the supporters.
Come on, stiffen up that backbone, I'm in financially, let's do this.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 30, 2017 14:45:27 GMT
One F in Dunford It's called respect, not secrecy. I have distilled the headlines that are pertinent. As I said, if you have concerns, please e-mail the Chairman yourself, instead of sarcasm to the messenger. He will reply to you, but then you will probably argue, what's the point. And therein lies.... So are you advising that all Rovers supporters should email the chairman individually (or just me), if they need to know the exact details? I am just surprised to see how your view has changed after exchanging a few emails, as on 3rd December you wrote: The consensus of the "wake up and smell the coffee brigade" following Steve Hamer's radio session and Wael's pathetic interview yesterday is that we are being treated as mugs.
I agree. Sad but true.
What can we do?
We can use the free press to ensure that the message gets out that all is not rosey with Smiley Waely's pipedream and that the supporters and manager feel betrayed by the promises that have culminated in the spectacular investment of a new club shop. That press outlet has to be The Gulf News and the like which impacts on the reputation of ALQs.
The manager is now in open conflict and even the Chairman has been critical of the owners. Good material that will make the owner feel uncomfortable and will precipitate more investment or an acceleration of the end game. If the latter, let's get on with it.
Not prepared to put up with years of stagnation whilst Wael comes up with crap like that. Not when there is planning permission for a new stadium and the greatest opportunity for investment that we have ever had.
Marathon versus Sprint, it takes a long time etc. Who do they think we are? It's now or never.
What did the chairman say to make you change your thoughts?
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 30, 2017 14:50:19 GMT
Not sure what DS stands for. So is Vaughan the “go to person” to say everything is ok? I have no idea who Vaughan is. But if the ALQs have confidential information which can’t be released in the public domain yet they know they want to keep the supporters informed and assured along the way. There is a need for a go-between and spokesperson. Almost like a union rep on the board of a company. I do not know who Vaughan is either. I agree with what you say in principle, but why would the chairman/owners share confidential information with an “unknown” individual?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 15:13:08 GMT
I have no idea who Vaughan is. But if the ALQs have confidential information which can’t be released in the public domain yet they know they want to keep the supporters informed and assured along the way. There is a need for a go-between and spokesperson. Almost like a union rep on the board of a company. I do not know who Vaughan is either. I agree with what you say in principle, but why would the chairman/owners share confidential information with an “unknown” individual? That started early. Fans bitching amongst themselves from the outset. Jesus Christ
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 30, 2017 15:21:25 GMT
I do not know who Vaughan is either. I agree with what you say in principle, but why would the chairman/owners share confidential information with an “unknown” individual? That started early. Fans bitching amongst themselves from the outset. Jesus Christ Oldie, I don’t think it’s bitching but I am the sort of person who asks questions. Would you advise just to accept everything that has been said, and not to ask questions?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 15:22:22 GMT
I do not know who Vaughan is either. I agree with what you say in principle, but why would the chairman/owners share confidential information with an “unknown” individual? That started early. Fans bitching amongst themselves from the outset. Jesus Christ Exactly. Let's get behind Vaughan, he needs to not be discouraged by Hamer trying to pretend that the owners have everything under control and wouldn't like some free money. Name me one business who wouldn't accept this amount of investment with virtually no strings attached?
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Post by gasheadpirate on Dec 30, 2017 15:24:54 GMT
That started early. Fans bitching amongst themselves from the outset. Jesus Christ Exactly. Let's get behind Vaughan, he needs to not be discouraged by Hamer trying to pretend that the owners have everything under control and wouldn't like some free money. Name me one business who wouldn't accept this amount of investment with virtually no strings attached? I have previously stated I would put money in if a group was set up.
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 30, 2017 16:00:43 GMT
Whatever you think about the content, his responsiveness has been greatly appreciated in 2017 and is beyond exemplary. I don't reveal everything that has been said, but happy to share the headlines. Peter Parker will have a wry smile and justified. no wry smiles from me Vaughn. The only thing that bothers me is the constant whispers, some obvious BS and the difficulty in squaring the circle that Dwane/BRFC wont/cant pay people whilst simultaneously spending money I dont sit here pretending they are perfect. They certainly could communicate better to ease some fears for sure and the quiet approach only fuels rumours There has clearly been a business re-evaluation, but we are yet to see that play out over a period of time yet. Questions should always be asked, we should always debate the running of the club But for all the rumours and the like, there is no tangible evidence of Dwane running BRFC into the ground to the ordinary fan on the terrace, unless we count a below average season on the pitch as evidence There is nothing in anything said on here that justifies wry smiles or vindicates anyone, unless I am missing something obvious? We appear to be in exactly the same position we were before, Hamer and Wael have always been categorical that the family are in it for the long haul. We have the same vague assurances about the need for better facilities and that something will be built on the training ground- not until 2019 though. Weird.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 16:08:48 GMT
no wry smiles from me Vaughn. The only thing that bothers me is the constant whispers, some obvious BS and the difficulty in squaring the circle that Dwane/BRFC wont/cant pay people whilst simultaneously spending money I dont sit here pretending they are perfect. They certainly could communicate better to ease some fears for sure and the quiet approach only fuels rumours There has clearly been a business re-evaluation, but we are yet to see that play out over a period of time yet. Questions should always be asked, we should always debate the running of the club But for all the rumours and the like, there is no tangible evidence of Dwane running BRFC into the ground to the ordinary fan on the terrace, unless we count a below average season on the pitch as evidence There is nothing in anything said on here that justifies wry smiles or vindicates anyone, unless I am missing something obvious? We appear to be in exactly the same position we were before, Hamer and Wael have always been categorical that the family are in it for the long haul. We have the same vague assurances about the need for better facilities and that something will be built on the training ground- not until 2019 though. Weird. But at the same time the debt is increasing at an unsustainable rate and the team are going backwards. When things hit crisis point the Chairman and the President make statements that a 6th former would be embarrassed to come out with, indeed, Wael doesn't even seem to understand the financial structure of the League we play in. An ambitious manager will walk away from this before much longer. My view is that it's a bit silly to pretend that everything is OK.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 30, 2017 17:18:42 GMT
How many new ground failures have there been and why? Somewhere near Emersons Green. Stoke Gifford Avonmouth Memorial UWE Eastville ever mentioned? Any where else? So is UWE greatest let down? Carson's Street, Mangotsfield - plans drawn up for that one, think it was initially 15K capacity.St. Phillip's - on the fruit market site. Hengrove Park - a joint proposal with another local team. Severnside - ICI land, that might be Avonmouth site you refer to. Hambrook - at the old training ground. turned down as green belt, I believe, which I think was the same problem at Mangotsfield (and I think that is now a housing estate).
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 30, 2017 18:04:27 GMT
Again, with all due respect Vaughan, you are, in my opinion, missing the point. You've come up with an idea that you say you are willing to put into action, but have backed down at the first obstacle. Indeed, one which may have been placed to see if you are serious or not. If you actually did what you said and put this thing together there would be consequences. Either Hamer would get barged aside and you would suddenly have Hani's ear. The owners would be forced in to action and we may still get UWE or a new / redeveloped ground, or at the very least the owners would be rejecting a real offer of investment, that would leave them with some explaining to do to the supporters. Come on, stiffen up that backbone, I'm in financially, let's do this. This is where the irony lies. Vaughn gets all get up & go and wants some answers but then gets agitated when he is questioned. It really is quite bizarre
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 30, 2017 18:11:04 GMT
There is nothing in anything said on here that justifies wry smiles or vindicates anyone, unless I am missing something obvious? We appear to be in exactly the same position we were before, Hamer and Wael have always been categorical that the family are in it for the long haul. We have the same vague assurances about the need for better facilities and that something will be built on the training ground- not until 2019 though. Weird. But at the same time the debt is increasing at an unsustainable rate and the team are going backwards. When things hit crisis point the Chairman and the President make statements that a 6th former would be embarrassed to come out with, indeed, Wael doesn't even seem to understand the financial structure of the League we play in. An ambitious manager will walk away from this before much longer. My view is that it's a bit silly to pretend that everything is OK. Well said. That last sentence is perfect.
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Post by vaughan on Jan 2, 2018 11:54:48 GMT
I have shared all the answers to questions that I have raised. I don't have a monopoly on asking questions.
I will ask again about external investment, but I would prefer to do this directly to Wael, as Steve Hamer has already indicated that the answer has been and will be negative via DS.
I have no problem with putting a team in place, but this outside investment needs to be understood and given the green light by those running the Club. This is not a protest, but an attempt to address any funding issues that MAY or MAY not exist ref Stadium development. It is a monumental commitment to raise these sums over years and it needs everyone pulling in right direction. It has to be something that ignites and sustains enthusiasm, hence the focus on a new Stadium.
What I have learned from the start of the thread is that there is no point in being confrontational about this, as I believe that there is enough pressure already building within the fan-base and press to ensure proper levels of scrutiny. The cultural differences need to be respected in how you achieve this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 11:59:15 GMT
The King is dead, long live The King.
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