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Post by outsidehitter30 on Aug 20, 2017 9:09:46 GMT
No idea what the Rugby were thinking of with the West Stand, as stands go it's pretty dreadful. they had to build it to the same profile as the old wooden stand it replaced (I think). At the time the training pitch was not built on. The idea was to turn the stadium around and the west stand would have been behind the goal. When Rovers moved in as tennants the rugby club could not afford the cost to complete the West stand and it was Rovers rent that paid for the completion of the stand. What the club paid for directly at that time (even though we were tennants) was the segregation to create an away enclosure suitable for football. Capacity when we moved in was less than twerton park. Just 7700
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 9:18:38 GMT
they had to build it to the same profile as the old wooden stand it replaced (I think). At the time the training pitch was not built on. The idea was to turn the stadium around and the west stand would have been behind the goal. When Rovers moved in as tennants the rugby club could not afford the cost to complete the West stand and it was Rovers rent that paid for the completion of the stand. What the club paid for directly at that time (even though we were tennants) was the segregation to create an away enclosure suitable for football. Capacity when we moved in was less than twerton park. Just 7700 6800, I think. And it seemed enough at the time! I'm not sure the pitch-turning thing is true, the Centenary Stand was still relatively new and I can't imagine the rugby club intended to demolish it so soon? The idea to turn the pitch surely came later after we moved in?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 20, 2017 9:27:42 GMT
It's a bit ridiculous to change the pitch around.
Anyone in East terrace/stand will testify.....on a bright, sunny day the sun is right in your face. It would be a goalkeeping nightmare!
..but ok for night matches!
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Post by Alveston Gas on Aug 20, 2017 14:56:34 GMT
Those are good choices of clubs, if you are suggesting that we build a ground with a capacity smaller than the Mem!
Walsall - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity only 11,000 Shrewsbury - Capacity only just over 10,000 Chesterfield - 8,500 Colchester - Capacity 10,000 and owned by the Council, not the club Scunny - Nope, 29 years ago. Capacity 9,000 Forest Green (before Stale Mince arrived) - Capacity 5,000 Oxford - Capacity 12,500 and not owned by the club Burton - Capacity 7,000 Wycombe - Nope, 27 years ago. Capacity 10,000
Most of these clubs were able to pay for thier new grounds by selling thier existing grounds for development and buying cheaper land elsewhere. We could do that, if our ambition was to build a 10,000 seater stadium. But that would be a bit pointless, wouldn't it?
Gillingham refurbished thier stadium, but faced severe financial problems as a result, eventually selling the ground to a holding company. Blackpool - a couple of small new stands, funded by the Oyston family Orient - a couple of small new stands, paid for by Barry Hearn.
The football club has paid for and built a permanent structure since the Tote End in 1935. I dream of something like Sparda-Bank-Hessen-Stadion or Stadion An der Alten Försterei. Just exactly what we need - always liked Kickers Offenbach.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Aug 20, 2017 15:00:05 GMT
Chin up KP - thinking of you! UTG
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Aug 20, 2017 20:56:34 GMT
At the time the training pitch was not built on. The idea was to turn the stadium around and the west stand would have been behind the goal. When Rovers moved in as tennants the rugby club could not afford the cost to complete the West stand and it was Rovers rent that paid for the completion of the stand. What the club paid for directly at that time (even though we were tennants) was the segregation to create an away enclosure suitable for football. Capacity when we moved in was less than twerton park. Just 7700 6800, I think. And it seemed enough at the time! I'm not sure the pitch-turning thing is true, the Centenary Stand was still relatively new and I can't imagine the rugby club intended to demolish it so soon? The idea to turn the pitch surely came later after we moved in? Nope! West Stand was made exactly the width of the pitch to be behind the goal. It was also moved about 10m North of the footprint of the old wooden stand so it was middle of the plot for future development.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 21:25:37 GMT
6800, I think. And it seemed enough at the time! I'm not sure the pitch-turning thing is true, the Centenary Stand was still relatively new and I can't imagine the rugby club intended to demolish it so soon? The idea to turn the pitch surely came later after we moved in? Nope! West Stand was made exactly the width of the pitch to be behind the goal. It was also moved about 10m North of the footprint of the old wooden stand so it was middle of the plot for future development. Fair enough. Either way, its an abomination of a stand and I will be pleased when its demolished (regardless of where we are playing at the time).
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 20, 2017 22:09:11 GMT
Watching Huddersfield make their home Premier debut to-day,I thought of when Will Hoskins scored the winner for us there.Unusual 'Curved' stand roofs but more than suitable for the Prem.Sigh....... Think Marcus left us for Huddersfield at a ridiculously small fee.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:22:31 GMT
Watching Huddersfield make their home Premier debut to-day,I thought of when Will Hoskins scored the winner for us there.Unusual 'Curved' stand roofs but more than suitable for the Prem.Sigh....... Think Marcus left us for Huddersfield at a ridiculously small fee. Swings and roundabouts, M. Stewart went for a ridiculously small £1.2m but M. Browning went for an astronomical £500k.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 7:33:25 GMT
In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? Save your effort. Nobody being objective would look at where we were the day we moved back to Bristol, the way that we got lucky and had the other 50% of the ground handed to us for next to nothing, look at who paid for the improvements that have been done to the ground and still try to argue that we've done a good job of bettering the stadium ourselves, because we haven't. Not that it matters much, if Swiss is right it looks like just about all of the equity in the stadium is spent anyway Ok, but why is bettering a ground ourselves any different to moving to a better ground?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 7:38:56 GMT
What if you mothball the mansion for 20 years? In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? ...but is still livable, and is better than the bedsit you were in before?
Look I'm not saying that the board shouldn't have done things to improve the Mem since we moved in. But the statement 'the club haven't built a stand since the 30's' or whatever is clearly mean to imply that the club has never done anything to improve our stadium set-up, which is not true, since the club bought the Mem. I mean, if the council was to build us an 80,000 seater stadium and the club bought it for £1billion, then the same dig would still apply - but it would be churlish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:32:31 GMT
Save your effort. Nobody being objective would look at where we were the day we moved back to Bristol, the way that we got lucky and had the other 50% of the ground handed to us for next to nothing, look at who paid for the improvements that have been done to the ground and still try to argue that we've done a good job of bettering the stadium ourselves, because we haven't. Not that it matters much, if Swiss is right it looks like just about all of the equity in the stadium is spent anyway Ok, but why is bettering a ground ourselves any different to moving to a better ground? You are right, coming back to Bristol from Twerton was a big step up, it's easy to look back on Bath with nostalgia, but the ground was a dump. My point is that we haven't done a huge amount to improve The Mem in 20 years. Maybe because we've always thought it was about to be demolished as part of our next (non deliverable) stadium plan?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:59:28 GMT
In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? ...but is still livable, and is better than the bedsit you were in before?
Look I'm not saying that the board shouldn't have done things to improve the Mem since we moved in. But the statement 'the club haven't built a stand since the 30's' or whatever is clearly mean to imply that the club has never done anything to improve our stadium set-up, which is not true, since the club bought the Mem. I mean, if the council was to build us an 80,000 seater stadium and the club bought it for £1billion, then the same dig would still apply - but it would be churlish.
OK then, putting it a different way. Do you think the club has actually spent enough since 1935 on infrastructure? Well done on stumbling across a ground, fantastic. What we've done since though is frankly pathetic.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 21, 2017 11:24:09 GMT
...but is still livable, and is better than the bedsit you were in before?
Look I'm not saying that the board shouldn't have done things to improve the Mem since we moved in. But the statement 'the club haven't built a stand since the 30's' or whatever is clearly mean to imply that the club has never done anything to improve our stadium set-up, which is not true, since the club bought the Mem. I mean, if the council was to build us an 80,000 seater stadium and the club bought it for £1billion, then the same dig would still apply - but it would be churlish.
OK then, putting it a different way. Do you think the club has actually spent enough since 1935 on infrastructure? Well done on stumbling across a ground, fantastic. What we've done since though is frankly pathetic. No, of course not. Be the club hasn't spent nothing, which is what the phrase I mentioned implies.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 21, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
Chin up KP - thinking of you! UTG Thank you very much. I'm trying not to make a fuss now. I was angry for awhile but that made things worse.
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