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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 13:55:27 GMT
I always find this argument a bit churlish. The club paid for an entire stadium, its where we play now - it just happened to already be built!
I mean, it's not though. The club has completely neglected the Mem for the near 20 years we've owned it. Not investing a penny in the place. I don't think it's churlish to point out no investment has been made into improving a stadium since 1935. It's all be funded by supporters, insurance and third parties. Moving to the Mem from Twerton was an improvement in facilities, you can't deny that. Does it matter that the club didn't build the Mem themselves? What's the difference between improving a stadium yourself, and buying a better one?
That's like saying a man who buys a mansion having lived in a one bed flat hasn't improved his living circumstances, just because he didn't build the mansion himself. Not saying the Mem is a mansion btw.
Ultimately, by buying the Mem the club paid to upgrade the ground in which it plays football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 13:57:56 GMT
I mean, it's not though. The club has completely neglected the Mem for the near 20 years we've owned it. Not investing a penny in the place. I don't think it's churlish to point out no investment has been made into improving a stadium since 1935. It's all be funded by supporters, insurance and third parties. A roof on the Blackthorn, paid for by the supporters, and a couple of tents in over 20 years at the Mem. What a joke. We hired a stand for a while as well, that must have cost a few bob. Then there was that drainpipe that had to be glued back together after a ball knocked it off its mount. The spending just never stops. Oh, just remembered, then they welded some wire mesh in the gaps on the steps above the doors to the club shop, that was done shortly after the 2nd person fell through the gap wasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 13:59:22 GMT
I mean, it's not though. The club has completely neglected the Mem for the near 20 years we've owned it. Not investing a penny in the place. I don't think it's churlish to point out no investment has been made into improving a stadium since 1935. It's all be funded by supporters, insurance and third parties. Moving to the Mem from Twerton was an improvement in facilities, you can't deny that. Does it matter that the club didn't build the Mem themselves? What's the difference between improving a stadium yourself, and buying a better one?
That's like saying a man who buys a mansion having lived in a one bed flat hasn't improved his living circumstances, just because he didn't build the mansion himself. Not saying the Mem is a mansion btw.
Ultimately, by buying the Mem the club paid to upgrade the ground in which it plays football.
What if you mothball the mansion for 20 years?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:13:04 GMT
Moving to the Mem from Twerton was an improvement in facilities, you can't deny that. Does it matter that the club didn't build the Mem themselves? What's the difference between improving a stadium yourself, and buying a better one?
That's like saying a man who buys a mansion having lived in a one bed flat hasn't improved his living circumstances, just because he didn't build the mansion himself. Not saying the Mem is a mansion btw.
Ultimately, by buying the Mem the club paid to upgrade the ground in which it plays football.
What if you mothball the mansion for 20 years? In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:37:54 GMT
What if you mothball the mansion for 20 years? In fact, what about if the mansion was actually a derelict two up two down in need of renovating when you bought it? Save your effort. Nobody being objective would look at where we were the day we moved back to Bristol, the way that we got lucky and had the other 50% of the ground handed to us for next to nothing, look at who paid for the improvements that have been done to the ground and still try to argue that we've done a good job of bettering the stadium ourselves, because we haven't. Not that it matters much, if Swiss is right it looks like just about all of the equity in the stadium is spent anyway
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 18, 2017 15:30:21 GMT
The club's ambitions appear not to match those of this forum.Santa's Grotto syndrome it's known as.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:38:29 GMT
The club's ambitions appear not to match those of this forum.Santa's Grotto syndrome it's known as. Shhhhh. If it has a value they'll slap a charge on that as well!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 18, 2017 17:27:00 GMT
I see that Russian money laundering operation is still going well on the South Coast then... A bit unfair and untrue but I understand the frustration behind the comment when you think what we've been through over 40 years! Part of the difference is that in a one-club town things can be done without the fear of charges of favouritism that you get in a two-club city by the other half. It is definitely frustrating that living here the local press are full of this training facility as well as their new ground. We've only heard about this over the past 10 months or so and it's likely to go ahead! And they think they're working hard to get a new ground!! They don't appreciate what the word "wait" means. Oh well it's no use being jealous.....is it? Lucky sods! Forever UTG! ps and with the money they get just for being in the PL it will be relatively easy to fund it. Not fair is it?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 18, 2017 17:31:55 GMT
I thought it was more like health and safety at avonmouth, and residents complaints about traffic at stoke giff.....which is a joke considering m o d traffic is daily and ours would've been 23/365 days! Had either of those obstacles been overcome, where was the funding coming from? Sale of Hambrook was around the time of Stoke Giff project..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 17:43:07 GMT
Had either of those obstacles been overcome, where was the funding coming from? Sale of Hambrook was around the time of Stoke Giff project.. And that money went where? Presumably if it could've built a stadium then its been invested wisely and if we could just remember where we put it we'd be good to go now? Or it was swallowed up by running costs and so wasn't ever going to be enough to build a stadium with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 17:56:06 GMT
Sale of Hambrook was around the time of Stoke Giff project.. And that money went where? Presumably if it could've built a stadium then its been invested wisely and if we could just remember where we put it we'd be good to go now? Or it was swallowed up by running costs and so wasn't ever going to be enough to build a stadium with. The sale of Hambrook was after the Dunford's and Ron Craig took over the club. Approx 20 local businessmen bought it and the proceeds kept BRFC alive and allowed them to pay off HMRC. The consortium later sold the site, at a loss. The only people to gain from the sale of Hambrook at the time was BRFC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:09:49 GMT
And that money went where? Presumably if it could've built a stadium then its been invested wisely and if we could just remember where we put it we'd be good to go now? Or it was swallowed up by running costs and so wasn't ever going to be enough to build a stadium with. The sale of Hambrook was after the Dunford's and Ron Craig took over the club. Approx 20 local businessmen bought it and the proceeds kept BRFC alive and allowed them to pay off HMRC. The consortium later sold the site, at a loss. The only people to gain from the sale of Hambrook at the time was BRFC. Was that HMRC debt something they inherited?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:12:04 GMT
The sale of Hambrook was after the Dunford's and Ron Craig took over the club. Approx 20 local businessmen bought it and the proceeds kept BRFC alive and allowed them to pay off HMRC. The consortium later sold the site, at a loss. The only people to gain from the sale of Hambrook at the time was BRFC. Was that HMRC debt something they inherited? Yes. GD often tells the story of the VAT demands hidden in the loft at the Hambrook training ground and the accountants advising him to let the club die. The sale of Hambrook saved the club and no third party benefited.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:19:51 GMT
Was that HMRC debt something they inherited? Yes. GD often tells the story of the VAT demands hidden in the loft at the Hambrook training ground and the accountants advising him to let the club die. The sale of Hambrook saved the club and no third party benefited. This is the thing isn't it, people love to take a swing at Geoff, but back then we were lucky that him and his Dad were around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:27:42 GMT
Yes. GD often tells the story of the VAT demands hidden in the loft at the Hambrook training ground and the accountants advising him to let the club die. The sale of Hambrook saved the club and no third party benefited. This is the thing isn't it, people love to take a swing at Geoff, but back then we were lucky that him and his Dad were around. And Ron Craig.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:34:43 GMT
And that money went where? Presumably if it could've built a stadium then its been invested wisely and if we could just remember where we put it we'd be good to go now? Or it was swallowed up by running costs and so wasn't ever going to be enough to build a stadium with. The sale of Hambrook was after the Dunford's and Ron Craig took over the club. Approx 20 local businessmen bought it and the proceeds kept BRFC alive and allowed them to pay off HMRC. The consortium later sold the site, at a loss. The only people to gain from the sale of Hambrook at the time was BRFC. I didn't suggest it went anywhere other than running costs Kev. But it certainly sounds like it wasn't going to build a stadium at Stoke Gifford or anywhere else
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:31:23 GMT
The sale of Hambrook was after the Dunford's and Ron Craig took over the club. Approx 20 local businessmen bought it and the proceeds kept BRFC alive and allowed them to pay off HMRC. The consortium later sold the site, at a loss. The only people to gain from the sale of Hambrook at the time was BRFC. I didn't suggest it went anywhere other than running costs Kev. But it certainly sounds like it wasn't going to build a stadium at Stoke Gifford or anywhere else I know you never Stu but it is always one which crops up and people often accuse unnamed people of financial gain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:39:20 GMT
This is the thing isn't it, people love to take a swing at Geoff, but back then we were lucky that him and his Dad were around. And Ron Craig. I always found Ron to be perfectly charming, and good taste in wrist watches also.
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Post by Foran for England on Aug 19, 2017 4:26:02 GMT
I mean, it's not though. The club has completely neglected the Mem for the near 20 years we've owned it. Not investing a penny in the place. I don't think it's churlish to point out no investment has been made into improving a stadium since 1935. It's all be funded by supporters, insurance and third parties. A roof on the Blackthorn, paid for by the suppporters, and a couple of tents in over 20 years at the Mem. What a joke. I was under the impression that we went halves with Bristol RFC on the west stand - am I mistaken?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 7:08:07 GMT
A roof on the Blackthorn, paid for by the suppporters, and a couple of tents in over 20 years at the Mem. What a joke. I was under the impression that we went halves with Bristol RFC on the west stand - am I mistaken? Yes you are mistaken.
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