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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 15, 2017 11:03:44 GMT
I think we all understand the connotations and implications behind involving the situation, but I respectfully disagree with the office promotion scenario.
Whilst it is generally true most fans are more loyal than players, the dynamics are beyond comparison because one is a paying customer and the other is being paid to perform their job.
Football is a unique industry in some regards, and is probably closer to religion for some, rather than a business. Although, most businesses have rivals, don't they?
Is anyone serious Snake doesn't understand the concept of rivalry?
So, if following Rovers is more like a religion, a closer metaphor might be Apostasy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:04:39 GMT
Good Lord, is this thread still going?
He went almost a year ago now.
It's bordering on obsessive and a bit sad.
We saved his career, Marcus turned a nobody that got sent back from a loan spell to FGR because he was rubbish into a decent striker, he thought it was all about him and did the dirty on us, it's between him and the conscience that he obviously doesn't have.
As Darrel pointed out at the time, if the bloke really was all that and there wasn't something else going on in the background, Β£300k buys you nothing these days, there would have been other offers for him.
Bye, have a nice life at the DSS Arena.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:49:34 GMT
Good Lord, is this thread still going? He went almost a year ago now. It's bordering on obsessive and a bit sad. We saved his career, Marcus turned a nobody that got sent back from a loan spell to FGR because he was rubbish into a decent striker, he thought it was all about him and did the dirty on us, it's between him and the conscience that he obviously doesn't have. As Darrel pointed out at the time, if the bloke really was all that and there wasn't something else going on in the background, Β£300k buys you nothing these days, there would have been other offers for him. Bye, have a nice life at the DSS Arena. So his goals etc for us had nothing to do with taylor himself then? It was all down to marcus,why didnt he do it with luke james or maybe tom nichols then?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:09:14 GMT
Good Lord, is this thread still going? He went almost a year ago now. It's bordering on obsessive and a bit sad. We saved his career, Marcus turned a nobody that got sent back from a loan spell to FGR because he was rubbish into a decent striker, he thought it was all about him and did the dirty on us, it's between him and the conscience that he obviously doesn't have. As Darrel pointed out at the time, if the bloke really was all that and there wasn't something else going on in the background, Β£300k buys you nothing these days, there would have been other offers for him. Bye, have a nice life at the DSS Arena. So his goals etc for us had nothing to do with taylor himself then? It was all down to marcus,why didnt he do it with luke james or maybe tom nichols then? Seriously? Taylor was sent back to FGR by Chester. Wikki has been updated, it now says that he was recalled, but either way, when he went back he still didn't score in the next 12 5th tier games. Bodin is well on his way, twice the player that he was, and beginning to look a whole lot like a certain Mr Taylor, except he doesn't keep shooting wildly at goal. Ellis is unrecognisable from the kid we had a couple of years ago. It takes time, James wasn't here that long, Nichols hasn't been here long yet, but with Nichols you are looking at a player with no appetite. The last thing about Taylor, he started at a low level, put Bodin or Ellis out against 5th tier plumbers and electricians today and they would both score 40 a season. So, I'll spin your question around, are you denying that there's a constant factor with Taylor, Billy and Ellis, or have they all suddenly just got better?
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 15, 2017 13:25:40 GMT
I think a lot of abuse whilst understandable is misdirected Footballers over the past 20 years or more have become less and less loyal and out of touch with fans in a real sense It is just a job to most whose main aim is to maximise their income and capital So if you were M T working in an office and were offered instant promotion plus a huge rise in wages and being happy in Bristol would you not be tempted? As for who engineered the move I believe there is more to it than just to blame MT ... strange that we had a chance to make the play offs ... strange about the release clause amount ....it stinks a reasoned argument and something I completely agree with. All modern footballers are commodities of their agents and their careers turn on an opportunity to maximise their income. Kissing the badge and meaning in probably stopped about 1985 moving on short term deals, image rights, boot deals are all that interest individual professionals. Its an entertainment business FANS ARE LOYAL PLAYERS ARE NOT. "FANS ARE LOYAL PLAYERS ARE NOT". I'm not having that sir - and I give you Lee Brown. First to sign a new contract with Rovers after our relegation to non-league football when he had a lot of interest from Div 2 Clubs. I would go along with "Fans are loyal, players are largely not". But please don't lump Club legends like Lee Brown in the same camp as snake. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27921323
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 14:04:06 GMT
Didn't mind him going. Through gritted teeth - didn't mind him going to the sh*t (if they were paying the most money for him). However signing at 11pm on dead-line day - knowing we would not have time to buy in a replacement was a vindictive thing to do. It was 2 fingers to the fans that had supported him for the previous 2 1/2 years and he must have known what he did was going to damage our play-off prospects. So I do not condone violence, threats, making him move house etc. However even his tiny brain must have been able to work out that there would be a small percentage of Rovers fans who would bear a nasty grudge. I'm with Syg - if I saw him out - I'd probably go as far as a "Paddington" stare. He's not worth any more energy than that. I donβt think the player would be able to control the timing of his sale that was carefully planned over on the dark side to inflict damage on our potential playoff appearance when they were in danger of relegation and i donβt blame him he is not one of us he would never understand what itβs about being a Gas head as for landsdown he knows what it means and heβs jealous because he might have it all in terms of a better team and infrastructure etc but itβs only a polished turd the flies are still the same vile inbred scum Agree about the timing,I reckon that one reason that city bought him was to take the pressure off of Lee Johnson by getting one over Rovers.
I also agree about not blaming Taylor for leaving for (much) better money,he got paid to do a job at Rovers and I think he did it well,without his goals Rovers might be playing at Chippenham instead of Gillingham on Saturday.
Loyal fans ? yes some are but plenty changed to city in 76 to see 1st division football,prior to that they had sung that they were "faithful and true" !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 15:59:24 GMT
I was not keen on MT having his own thread on BRIFF before. I am no keener now. But I enjoyed Bluesky and Bamber's debate above, and Eppers's LB tribute. We should hope Bamber is right. MT's history. MS's still coaching our players. I care more about the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 17:45:42 GMT
I was not keen on MT having his own thread on BRIFF before. I am no keener now. But I enjoyed Bluesky and Bamber's debate above, and Eppers's LB tribute. We should hope Bamber is right. MT's history. MS's still coaching our players. I care more about the latter.I think that's really my point. In some crazy constructed situation, faced with a choice, lose either Billy or Marcus in January, I know which one of the two I would want to keep.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 19:09:09 GMT
So his goals etc for us had nothing to do with taylor himself then? It was all down to marcus,why didnt he do it with luke james or maybe tom nichols then? Seriously? Taylor was sent back to FGR by Chester. Wikki has been updated, it now says that he was recalled, but either way, when he went back he still didn't score in the next 12 5th tier games. Bodin is well on his way, twice the player that he was, and beginning to look a whole lot like a certain Mr Taylor, except he doesn't keep shooting wildly at goal. Ellis is unrecognisable from the kid we had a couple of years ago. It takes time, James wasn't here that long, Nichols hasn't been here long yet, but with Nichols you are looking at a player with no appetite. The last thing about Taylor, he started at a low level, put Bodin or Ellis out against 5th tier plumbers and electricians today and they would both score 40 a season. So, I'll spin your question around, are you denying that there's a constant factor with Taylor, Billy and Ellis, or have they all suddenly just got better? Well im sure marcus and everyone at the club try to make any players we have better but its also about what the player does for himself. Taylor made his choices and we all debated it to death a year ago but im not a great fan of trying to rewrite history because he went to city.
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Post by kegandeg on Dec 15, 2017 19:35:57 GMT
The π needs to play week in week out you will see a different player then. He has stagnated at the s**t he needs to move on, rangers let's hope so he's as good as Sinclair at Celtic just needs more game time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 19:42:06 GMT
Seriously? Taylor was sent back to FGR by Chester. Wikki has been updated, it now says that he was recalled, but either way, when he went back he still didn't score in the next 12 5th tier games. Bodin is well on his way, twice the player that he was, and beginning to look a whole lot like a certain Mr Taylor, except he doesn't keep shooting wildly at goal. Ellis is unrecognisable from the kid we had a couple of years ago. It takes time, James wasn't here that long, Nichols hasn't been here long yet, but with Nichols you are looking at a player with no appetite. The last thing about Taylor, he started at a low level, put Bodin or Ellis out against 5th tier plumbers and electricians today and they would both score 40 a season. So, I'll spin your question around, are you denying that there's a constant factor with Taylor, Billy and Ellis, or have they all suddenly just got better? Well im sure marcus and everyone at the club try to make any players we have better but its also about what the player does for himself. Taylor made his choices and we all debated it to death a year ago but im not a great fan of trying to rewrite history because he went to city. Who is trying to rewrite anything? We aren't as far away from agreeing as you seem to think. Taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by Marcus, it's a matter of record. But you are right, of course the potential has to be there, my argument is that it's Marcus that brought it out. He's now doing it again with Billy and Ellis, James didn't work out, Nichols has been thrown in at a much higher level than Taylor started off at, nobody knows what would happen if he was let loose every week against Woking and Ebbsfleet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 21:32:20 GMT
Well im sure marcus and everyone at the club try to make any players we have better but its also about what the player does for himself. Taylor made his choices and we all debated it to death a year ago but im not a great fan of trying to rewrite history because he went to city. Who is trying to rewrite anything? We aren't as far away from agreeing as you seem to think. Taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by Marcus, it's a matter of record. But you are right, of course the potential has to be there, my argument is that it's Marcus that brought it out. He's now doing it again with Billy and Ellis, James didn't work out, Nichols has been thrown in at a much higher level than Taylor started off at, nobody knows what would happen if he was let loose every week against Woking and Ebbsfleet. Taylor was a fine player for our club,saying its all down to marcus is nonsense to me as with ellis and billy,just as blaming him for other players that have failed is. I like marcus stewart and im sure he is doing a good job coaching with others including the manager at the club. Regarding conference footballers the best information i can find is that the average wage is Β£500 per week way more than me and many other people so there hardly mugs and at least half the league is full time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
Who is trying to rewrite anything? We aren't as far away from agreeing as you seem to think. Taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by Marcus, it's a matter of record. But you are right, of course the potential has to be there, my argument is that it's Marcus that brought it out. He's now doing it again with Billy and Ellis, James didn't work out, Nichols has been thrown in at a much higher level than Taylor started off at, nobody knows what would happen if he was let loose every week against Woking and Ebbsfleet. Taylor was a fine player for our club,saying its all down to marcus is nonsense to me as with ellis and billy,just as blaming him for other players that have failed is. I like marcus stewart and im sure he is doing a good job coaching with others including the manager at the club. Regarding conference footballers the best information i can find is that the average wage is Β£500 per week way more than me and many other people so there hardly mugs and at least half the league is full time. Do you actually read what you are replying to? Just one question if I may. Where are there hardly any mugs? I don't understand what you are trying to say there at all. What have large cylindrical cups that are typically used without saucers and their location got to do with the topic under discussion?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:50:36 GMT
Taylor was a fine player for our club,saying its all down to marcus is nonsense to me as with ellis and billy,just as blaming him for other players that have failed is. I like marcus stewart and im sure he is doing a good job coaching with others including the manager at the club. Regarding conference footballers the best information i can find is that the average wage is Β£500 per week way more than me and many other people so there hardly mugs and at least half the league is full time. Do you actually read what you are replying to? Just one question if I may. Where are there hardly any mugs? I don't understand what you are trying to say there at all. What have large cylindrical cups that are typically used without saucers and their location got to do with the topic under discussion? "taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by marcus" None of us know how much influence if any ms had on taylor. Look you think taylors success at rovers is down to stewart and i dont so lets leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 23:25:15 GMT
Do you actually read what you are replying to? Just one question if I may. Where are there hardly any mugs? I don't understand what you are trying to say there at all. What have large cylindrical cups that are typically used without saucers and their location got to do with the topic under discussion? "taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by marcus" None of us know how much influence if any ms had on taylor. Look you think taylors success at rovers is down to stewart and i dont so lets leave it at that. This is what you always do, start an argument, end up getting cornered by facts and then say it's a draw. Sure, let's leave it at that. Whatever makes you happy.
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Post by dido on Dec 16, 2017 1:42:24 GMT
Since you like facts,(well, the ones you choose not to ignore) BG, Matty "rubbish striker" Taylor scored 6 goals in 7 appearances for Chester in League 5. No wonder he was recalled to Nailsworth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 1:45:46 GMT
"taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by marcus" None of us know how much influence if any ms had on taylor. Look you think taylors success at rovers is down to stewart and i dont so lets leave it at that. This is what you always do, start an argument, end up getting cornered by facts and then say it's a draw. Sure, let's leave it at that. Whatever makes you happy. The "facts" as you see them you mean.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 10:48:35 GMT
"taylor was going nowhere until he was coached by marcus" None of us know how much influence if any ms had on taylor. Look you think taylors success at rovers is down to stewart and i dont so lets leave it at that. This is what you always do, start an argument, end up getting cornered by facts and then say it's a draw. Sure, let's leave it at that. Whatever makes you happy. Behave yourselves, boys. Both of you argue cantankerously but with conviction and reason. It is indeed a draw right now, isn't it? Cheer the duck up, gents.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 16, 2017 11:03:17 GMT
Heard rumour Snake to Shrewsbury on loan next month..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:21:08 GMT
This is what you always do, start an argument, end up getting cornered by facts and then say it's a draw. Sure, let's leave it at that. Whatever makes you happy. The "facts" as you see them you mean. This reply always makes me chuckle. It's akin to someone saying 'well that's your opinion'. It's meaningless drivel. What exactly do you expect in a debate? I'm not a frigging mind reader, I can't put forward your view for you. But I'll promise you this, if I did put forward your opinion I would use there, their and they're correctly so that the reader didn't have to go over the post 3 times to try to work out what the heck was being said
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