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Post by Peter Parker on May 23, 2016 14:59:50 GMT
Don't be silly. Buying a product from a billionaire is not the same as making an essentially charitable donation to a billionaire. Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes. I notice you didn't respond to me
because that's what I said isn't it. Hence my last sentence which has been known to happen
Aren't the SC a loss making organisation it's self. So apart from the Share Scheme agreement which is separate what facility do BRSC have to give the club any money?
I think the SC only made money last year to the sale of 199
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Post by Peter Parker on May 23, 2016 15:04:42 GMT
Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes. Its a matter of priorities. When the club was in danger of not surviving, then the focus was quite rightly on seeing the club survive. Its clear though that this is no longer the issue - the debts have been repaid, and the new owners have indicated that they have plans to build a sustainable club.
“We’re in it for the long term, and that means growing the club organically,” he said. “It means evolution not revolution as I keep on saying. It is about building it step by step, getting the correct footballing structure in. That means working on the academy, recruiting correctly, and using the loan system smartly, so that you build a football club that’s sustainable.”
A club that is sustainable in a business sense doesn't require donations. So surely the SC's funding and activities should be centred on areas that don't come within that scope, that you can't expect the football club as a business to cover, as I've listed in a previous post.
Indeed. Nothing says the SC can't give the club money, just that the impression is going forward it will not be required in the fashion it has in the past.
Also as mentioned hasn't the SC been losing money, so aside from the SS agreement what is the actual facility for the SC to give the club money. It has been in the red for a few years and made a profit in the last accounts only because of the sale of 199.
Is The SC even a going concern in the long term in it's current guise?
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 15:16:32 GMT
Its a matter of priorities. When the club was in danger of not surviving, then the focus was quite rightly on seeing the club survive. Its clear though that this is no longer the issue - the debts have been repaid, and the new owners have indicated that they have plans to build a sustainable club.
“We’re in it for the long term, and that means growing the club organically,” he said. “It means evolution not revolution as I keep on saying. It is about building it step by step, getting the correct footballing structure in. That means working on the academy, recruiting correctly, and using the loan system smartly, so that you build a football club that’s sustainable.”
A club that is sustainable in a business sense doesn't require donations. So surely the SC's funding and activities should be centred on areas that don't come within that scope, that you can't expect the football club as a business to cover, as I've listed in a previous post.
Indeed. Nothing says the SC can't give the club money, just that the impression is going forward it will not be required in the fashion it has in the past.
Also as mentioned hasn't the SC been losing money, so aside from the SS agreement what is the actual facility for the SC to give the club money. It has been in the red for a few years and made a profit in the last accounts only because of the sale of 199.
Is The SC even a going concern in the long term in it's current guise?
Lets take the Share Scheme stated aims as an example (and I'm one who think's that the share scheme has been a qualified success - without it we may not have a club):
The application of subscription income broadly covers these three areas 1.40% towards repayment of the Stadium Debt 2.40% towards operational costs and improvements to the Stadium 3.20% towards team/ the playing budget
Well 1. has gone, as I understand it. 2. and 3. are presumably covered in the owner's sustainable club plans. So could this money be best spent differently?
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Post by vaughan on May 23, 2016 15:29:11 GMT
I have always struggled with the SC mainly because it never acted BOTH as supporter of, but independent body from the FC. The debate has raged for years and frankly, it does not seem relevant anymore. The politics just became a vehicle for petty disputes and the attitude of some who participated still astounds me. Please, please, please...."IT'S OVER".
There has to be a massive difference between volunteering for BRFC and everything revolving around the SC. Too often, the perception is that if you were "not in the Club", you were seen as against it. The issue was and never is that black and white.
So let's not hammer all the brilliant things that people have done whilst in the SC. People are right when they say actions speak louder than words. However, let's not get too sanctimonious about the organisation itself. The SC has to learn to adapt and/or re-invent itself in a world of constant change and the change at the top of BRFC is the most significant in this state of flux. The 2 Fans Directors should be sitting down and discussing the best form of supporter participation - but please, please, please, "MAKE IT FUN".
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 15:41:42 GMT
you were asked for your thoughts, so are you in agreement with the pile of crap written by mr chappell ? That is your opinion,shared by a tiny minority of supporters,some who no longer attend matches,this is a democracy and everyone is entitled to an opinion without constant criticism,i will reiterate if you think it so bad stand against him.you don't have to wait 2 years just get the required number of sc members to sign a proposal of a vote of no confidence in the current chairman then put yourself forward to replace him,simple isn't it? That's a response, not an answer. I don't know which of Bulbous's opinions, that you say is shared by a tiny minority, your're referring to: the only one in that post was that what Jim Chappell wrote was a 'pile of crap'. That might not be the phrase I'd use, but I'd say a huge majority of fans agree with the spirit of it. I don't have the attendance records of these people, but then neither do you. Without playing the victim, sensing constant criticism or being denied an opinion, imagining people denigrating volunteers who are nothing to do with what was said (many of whom might well agree with Bulbous's description, anyway), or deflecting to any other perceived ill with the world, or saying that nobody can disagree with him (in this democracy) unless they stand against him, what's your opinion: do you agree with the tone, content, and omission of any acknowledgement of the Al-Qadis (cursory sneers aside) in Jim's Jottings, and feel that is a fair and helpful reflection of what someone called these rosy times?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 16:06:01 GMT
The rules & regs are here if you feel inclined to plough through them - bristolroverssc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/brfc_rules.pdf(Padstow might like to note that some of those he's quick to condemn, played quite a significant part in updating the rules way back when, when there actually appeared to be some point in getting actively involved in BRSC.) Not condemning at all just that what happened in 2006/7 is ancient history and people should move on,we all have things we don't agree with but majority put them down to experience and get on with their life,i don't dislike the late Jimmy Hagan for telling me I had no future at his club way back in the 60s,it hurt but my decision was to forget what you cant change Exactly, no point trying to gain an influence when you gave the chance away 10 years ago when the goalpost were much, much nearer. Let the new owners run the club, they certainly have more business acumen than the SC and anybody else who have come and gone before them.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 16:25:57 GMT
Not condemning at all just that what happened in 2006/7 is ancient history and people should move on,we all have things we don't agree with but majority put them down to experience and get on with their life,i don't dislike the late Jimmy Hagan for telling me I had no future at his club way back in the 60s,it hurt but my decision was to forget what you cant change Exactly, no point trying to gain an influence when you gave the chance away 10 years ago when the goalpost were much, much nearer. Let the new owners run the club, they certainly have more business acumen than the SC and anybody else who have come and gone before them. ...and have the good grace not to snipe at them about non-issues. What gets me is considering where we'd be if they hadn't come in. What were the sums and dates? £2.6 million to a lender of last resort repayable this summer? Was it held against the ground? Plus Sainsbury's full legal costs, so there's another cool million. And no means of paying it. Never mind who should get credit for promotion, we'd be wondering where / if we'd be playing next season. And the voice of the supporters praises Nick Higgs and can't find a good word to say about the people who've steered us away from where he was taking us. Shameful. I better log off and be happy that we're no longer being governed by that mindset. Maybe we should just ignore the guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 16:53:10 GMT
you were asked for your thoughts, so are you in agreement with the pile of crap written by mr chappell ? That is your opinion,shared by a tiny minority of supporters,some who no longer attend matches,this is a democracy and everyone is entitled to an opinion without constant criticism,i will reiterate if you think it so bad stand against him.you don't have to wait 2 years just get the required number of sc members to sign a proposal of a vote of no confidence in the current chairman then put yourself forward to replace him,simple isn't it? i asked ; do you agree with the pile of crap written by jim c ? ; this thread shows you harry and jim are likeminded, id say its you in the minority
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Post by Jon the Stripe on May 23, 2016 16:55:41 GMT
Hate to be pedantic but does anyone know if the Sainsburys costs have been paid I certainly haven't heard that.
I don't actually think Wael has the amount of expendable money many think/wish he had. He most certainly is a breath of fresh air but the next year or so will prove whether he is all we would love him to be. UTG
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 17:01:19 GMT
Hate to be pedantic but does anyone know if the Sainsburys costs have been paid I certainly haven't heard that. I don't actually think Wael has the amount of expendable money many think/wish he had. He most certainly is a breath of fresh air but the next year or so will prove whether he is all we would love him to be. UTG agreed but so far so good, the chairman of the sc cant be allowed to post without answering why imo, blokes have been banned for less
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 23, 2016 17:49:00 GMT
Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes. I notice you didn't respond to me
because that's what I said isn't it. Hence my last sentence which has been known to happen
Aren't the SC a loss making organisation it's self. So apart from the Share Scheme agreement which is separate what facility do BRSC have to give the club any money?
I think the SC only made money last year to the sale of 199
Well go ask the question of what happens to the 50/50 money or anything else they raise. Simple enough to look in the accounts if you're a member. Oddly your point succinctly somes up what a s**tfest this thread is, if you need to know how BRSC operates get involved or actually ask those that give up there time to run BRSC. If not carry on sitting safely behind your keyboard.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 23, 2016 18:00:54 GMT
I notice you didn't respond to me
because that's what I said isn't it. Hence my last sentence which has been known to happen
Aren't the SC a loss making organisation it's self. So apart from the Share Scheme agreement which is separate what facility do BRSC have to give the club any money?
I think the SC only made money last year to the sale of 199
Well go ask the question of what happens to the 50/50 money or anything else they raise. Simple enough to look in the accounts if you're a member. Oddly your point succinctly somes up what a s***fest this thread is, if you need to know how BRSC operates get involved or actually ask those that give up there time to run BRSC. If not carry on sitting safely behind your keyboard. Well we all know what happens to the 50 50 but again not the point as you well know. If we are talking about the SC moving forward whether its Jim Tom Dick Harry in charge obviously the organisation need to change The SC dont have a benefactor to underwrite the losses do they? A few years ago i would have got involed and was starting to but than 2006 happened. Now i dont have time unfortunatley with finishing my house and hopefully starting a family Hopefully in years to come i can be involved Last i checked though i was still entitled to an opinion
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 18:12:05 GMT
Don't be silly. Buying a product from a billionaire is not the same as making an essentially charitable donation to a billionaire. Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes. He may not have promised to pay for everything, but he paid Wonga off. That's a good start in my nook.
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Post by Igitur on May 23, 2016 18:12:47 GMT
Great to see the SC being proactive. It reads more like a warning than an invitation to me! You appear to have to give up 18 hours on match days and go to work in Kingswood whenever you're told to. From the list of expectations listed on the BRSC site EC members are to: Attend all EC meetings (See Rule 4.5). (Evening meetings that usually last between 3 and 4 hours)For an organisation that appears to many to be doing nothing what on earth do they talk about for over 3 hours?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 23, 2016 18:12:55 GMT
Well go ask the question of what happens to the 50/50 money or anything else they raise. Simple enough to look in the accounts if you're a member. Oddly your point succinctly somes up what a s***fest this thread is, if you need to know how BRSC operates get involved or actually ask those that give up there time to run BRSC. If not carry on sitting safely behind your keyboard. Well we all know what happens to the 50 50 but again not the point as you well know. If we are talking about the SC moving forward whether its Jim Tom Dick Harry in charge obviously the organisation need to change The SC dont have a benefactor to underwrite the losses do they? A few years ago i would have got involed and was starting to but than 2006 happened. Now i dont have time unfortunatley with finishing my house and hopefully starting a family Hopefully in years to come i can be involved Last i checked though i was still entitled to an opinion Fully understand you've got your excuses in. Keep that keyboard working.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 18:20:57 GMT
Well we all know what happens to the 50 50 but again not the point as you well know. If we are talking about the SC moving forward whether its Jim Tom Dick Harry in charge obviously the organisation need to change The SC dont have a benefactor to underwrite the losses do they? A few years ago i would have got involed and was starting to but than 2006 happened. Now i dont have time unfortunatley with finishing my house and hopefully starting a family Hopefully in years to come i can be involved Last i checked though i was still entitled to an opinion Fully understand you've got your excuses in. Keep that keyboard working. Your obsession with people's keyboards is puzzling.
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Post by Bridgeman on May 23, 2016 21:58:13 GMT
I agree a meeting is needed soon. To air any issues and to outline any changes that may be required going forward before we all start speculating rather than knowing what's going on. UTG That'll be a first then Jon....lol
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Post by johnanagram on May 23, 2016 22:50:15 GMT
Are you a paid upmember of the sc? Joined again last week and surprised that I had to print off a form and send a cheque. Jeez this is 2016. Lets hope Swampy doesn't handle your application.......
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Post by PessimistGas on May 23, 2016 22:51:16 GMT
Joined again last week and surprised that I had to print off a form and send a cheque. Jeez this is 2016. Lets hope Swampy doesn't handle your application....... What's a cheque?
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Post by fanatical on May 24, 2016 8:16:25 GMT
Lets hope Swampy doesn't handle your application....... What's a cheque? Sums up how the SC has progressed (not) under the current Chairman
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